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Kevin Chapman, the Chief of Staff for the Manatee County School District, told Popular Information that the policy was communicated to principals in a meeting last Wednesday. Individual schools are now in the process of informing teachers and other staff.
Teachers in Manatee County lamented the news on social media. "My heart is broken for Florida students today as I am forced to pack up my classroom library," one Manatee teacher wrote on Facebook.
Another Manatee teacher called the directive "a travesty to education" that interfered with efforts to "connect with books and develop [a] love of lifelong learning."
https://popular.info/p/florida-teachers-told-to-remove-books
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mopinko
(70,306 posts)if i taught there, id make sure i had every book on their crooked lil list in my classroom.
and the 1st teacher to get cuffed should trigger a statewide walk out. and parents better damn well be right there.
fuck the courts. the line must be drawn.
LaMouffette
(2,042 posts)like Florida teacher Janet Allen did. Just a massive, all-at-once resignation.
[link:https://www.news-press.com/story/opinion/2022/10/25/florida-teachers-why-so-many-leaving-their-jobs-ron-desantis/10565180002/|
Here's an excerpt from the article, written by the teacher's father:
Still needing to teach, she was awarded a position at Venice High School, where she became known for the college level rigor of her instruction and was asked to teach Advanced Placement English Literature for college bound seniors. Administrators routinely showcased Allens classes when V.I.P.'s visited.
Additionally, she founded and became faculty sponsor of Venices first Gender and Sexualities Alliance (GSA), to help LGBTQIA+ students who faced intensified bullying after Trump became president.
This past year, Janet Allens AP students earned the highest scores in the district; she received the highly effective evaluation for superior teachers; and GSA members had finally begun to feel that they belonged.
So it was a shock to many when she announced she must resign
The reason? Governor Ron DeSantiss inserting himself into school classrooms with his anti-woke hatred, with bans on books, on critical race theory, and on sexual orientation and gender identity discussion and instruction.
Allen believes DeSantiss stranglehold killed the creativity, autonomy, and motivation that made her profession fulfilling, and helped give Sarasota schools its annual A rating.
She had been warned, for example, to stop using Maya Angelous I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings and Toni Morrisons The Bluest Eye, and other highly acclaimied novels containing truths related to sexual orientation or racism.
TheBlackAdder
(28,244 posts)mopinko
(70,306 posts)of a troublesome liberal teacher.
theres sooooo much room for mischief here.
TheBlackAdder
(28,244 posts)secondwind
(16,903 posts)atreides1
(16,103 posts)Just like slavery, child labor, sterilization...were all legal!
appalachiablue
(41,188 posts)Best_man23
(4,914 posts)DeathSentence will "make it legal."
There is going to be a Scopes trial coming out of this, there will be a teacher somewhere who resists this wholly immoral and illegal edict from an overbearing tin plated dictator with delusions of Godhood.
IronLionZion
(45,615 posts)FeelingBlue
(683 posts)I hope that teachers will discuss this ban on classroom libraries, leading students in think about the implications of this, the purpose, etc. Juniors and seniors are getting ready to be voters. Time for the teachers to do their thing and get students to THINK about choosing people on the ballot who actually represent them. Between this and the news about George Santos and Elisa Stefanik, teachers have a lot of material from which students can learn about how things work- -that isnt even in books yet.
electric_blue68
(14,998 posts)Grade School! (which is still problematic!)
But...omg...High School...HIGH SCHOOL??!!!! 😮😑🤬
ShazzieB
(16,609 posts)It sounds like AP classes, which are supposed to be college level, are being subjected to the same constraints. How long will it be before high school kids in Florida will no longer be able to get college credit for so-called AP classes taught under the repressive and retrogressive DeSantis regime? It's bound to happen, because there's no way college level instruction can take place in such a restrictive environment.
When fully accredited institutions of higher learning figure out that they can't count on AP classes offered in Florida public schools being taught at a true college level, they're not going to be comfortable awarding college credit for them. Which defeats the purpose of offering such classes. This will open a whole can of worms that no governor wih a lick of sense would want to open (but that of course will not stop DeSantis).
Seems to me that an awful lot of Florida parents are going to be massively displeased if their kids get to college and find out they have to retake courses they took as AP classes in high school.
Irish_Dem
(47,719 posts)In an autocracy it is important to get control of educated professionals.
When Hitler invaded Poland he shot all the intelligentsia first thing.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Deuxcents
(16,399 posts)The beginnings of the 1930s n they dont want to teach it. This governor is killing our public education system
Irish_Dem
(47,719 posts)A successful democracy depends upon an educated populace.
The GOP does not want a successful democracy, so education must go.
Oh yes, history is a big threat to fascists. The people must not know what
happened in the past when fascism took hold.
SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)Makes a bunch of sense, doesn't it?
Irish_Dem
(47,719 posts)While law abiding, hard working Americans doing their jobs risk going to jail.
Caliman73
(11,760 posts)Pinochet in Chile, The Taliban in Afghanistan, Saddam Hussein in Iraq, the Ayatollah's in Iran, etc...
All of them went after teachers and students. Knowledge is the enemy of tyranny. What does it say about your ideology when you have to persecute those who seek to pass on knowledge and wisdom?
Conservatives cannot survive in a world where they do not control the narrative.
ShazzieB
(16,609 posts)Irish_Dem
(47,719 posts)cyclonefence
(4,483 posts)endangers all supplemental textbooks and study guides for subjects like math and chemistry. And is the level of students' comprehension based on the dumbest kid in the class's comprehension or that of the brainiac?
I believe reading books beyond one's level of comprehension is the first step in learning something new.
electric_blue68
(14,998 posts)this could be particularly boring for the brighter students, plus any student trying improve their skills! 😑
csziggy
(34,139 posts)By the time I was in seventh, I was allowed (by request of my parents) to read anything I wanted in the public library. M
electric_blue68
(14,998 posts)the long bureau they had. (such a beautiful bureau!)
So maybe by 6th grade+ my reading level went up.
niyad
(113,776 posts)(who, according to studies, read at or below 6th grade).
I would ask, WTAF, but we all know the answers.
Hope22
(1,903 posts)Thats a little harsh.
bucolic_frolic
(43,447 posts)jaxexpat
(6,870 posts)He brought Russia out of the dark ages and straight into the bright search lights of re-education.
Diamond_Dog
(32,150 posts)has shelves full of pornography or sexually explicit books on shelves in their classrooms! This is just ridiculous!
dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)Diamond_Dog
(32,150 posts)But pornography was mentioned in the first bullet point.
dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)ever imagined. I wonder what they consider to be pornography? It's likely something we would never imagine to be porn. I think they already challenged a Shel Silverstein book, one I read a thousand times since the 2nd grade, I have no idea why they banned it.💔
Edit: shockingly it's Shel Silverstein's the Giving Tree of all things.💔
woodsprite
(11,940 posts)dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)LakeVermilion
(1,046 posts)There was a time when diverse thoughts led to unparalleled creativity. Its obvious for all of our exceptionalism, the Right is determined to create a country that limits free thought and opportunity.
History is repeating itself. Florida and the "red states" are moving to "The Dark Ages Redux."
Chipper Chat
(9,702 posts)Just make students go to the Internet for help. Cause ya know they are safe from any porn there.
Rebl2
(13,583 posts)Think I would quit teaching actually. Become a private tutor in subject you feel you are strong in.
Diamond_Dog
(32,150 posts)Box up all the books, take them outside, and burn them, I suppose.
sinkingfeeling
(51,490 posts)step foot in either state again. Lived in south Florida 1977-1979 and near Dallas 1986-1989.
Eyeball_Kid
(7,440 posts)How are these two states going to recruit teachers?
Who would voluntarily sign up to teach in a fascist educational system? Fascists?
Lonestarblue
(10,144 posts)Florida students are being seriously shortchanged with this stupidity. Schools in blue states that are finding it difficult to hire enough teachers should go on recruiting campaigns to Florida. With help paying moving expenses, I suspect they might be able to fill their vacancies with fed-up Florida teachers. I think it was Arizona that was recruiting teachers from the Philippines.
The Republican dumbing down of US education continues. According to Pew Research:
The most recent PISA results, from 2015, placed the U.S. an unimpressive 38th out of 71 countries in math and 24th in science. Among the 35 members of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, which sponsors the PISA initiative, the U.S. ranked 30th in math and 19th in science.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/02/15/u-s-students-internationally-math-science/
Republicans will argue that their removal of books from classrooms and libraries has nothing to do with science and math, but theyre wrong. Some of the books that will be removed will include any that mention of climate warming or alternative energy. And they may get around to demanding that biology books no longer illustrate the human body or have any mention of sexual organs. Eventually, textbooks will have to contain fake photos showing fetal development, as well as anti-abortion propaganda spewed by right-wing evangelicals. And let me not forget the topic of evolution, which evangelicals have been trying to get rid of for decades. Earth science may be required to teach the Biblical version of Earths age rather than the facts that contradict the Bible. And of course there were no humans on Earth before Adam and Eve.
Math requires reading to understand how to apply mathematical concepts, and denying children the opportunity to read books that interest them results in fewer kids interested in reading at all. Teachers have also been trying to introduce more diversity of writers in their classrooms so that students see that ideas and value come from writers with many different ethnicities and experiences. Minority writers will be banned as teaching CRT. Literature will return to a curriculum based only dead white guys, as if only white male ideas are important.
This whole movement is so discouraging because people with children are allowing and encouraging Republicans to deny their children and all children in a state a well-rounded education.
SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)Why don't they just have some good, old fashioned book burnings down in Florida? Get all the books together that Governor DeSatan doesn't approve of and burn those damned things!
What the fuck is wrong with people down there? Has the sun cooked their brains into refried shit?
Chipper Chat
(9,702 posts)Never ever felt like a Big Brother was watching me
Johnny2X2X
(19,253 posts)Books, we're banning books. Only the state gets to decide what your kids get to read, not you, not their teacher, but the state, politicians in your state capitol.
The party of "Freedumb" wants absolute control over the thoughts of your children. They decide, not you.
Initech
(100,129 posts)When I found out that my local school board was banning and any mention of CRT, I just about blew a gasket. Even worse, I knew the exact fucking assholes responsible for this. It's unbelievable that the same people who cry about their freedoms being taken away want to live in a fascist theocracy.
dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)my education was in FL. as were my children, the education system has been in a slow slide down for a very long time, but this is beyond infuriating and breaks my heart. I truly never imagined things could get this bad, I fear it's only going to get worse.😥💔
Baitball Blogger
(46,775 posts)Initech
(100,129 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)or "restoration" as they foolishly imagine, of their own vague notions of old-fashioned conservative Christian religious and social moral codes. Even conservatives who worry about this going too far are satisfied that it at least is in the "right direction": at war with the liberalism supposedly destroying our nation.
People who could elect tRump twice would be incapable of understanding their own religions' moral codes even if they hadn't rejected them, but in FL and across the nation they imagine this is what good, moral people do.
FL's "the people who have spoken," most authoritarian leaning and worse, will approve the prosecution of teachers who refuse their mandate. And worse.
DFW
(54,480 posts)marmar
(77,114 posts)Lovie777
(12,391 posts)because of shit like this, abusive and the lack of freedom, lack of choice, and constant fear, and yet, Florida and other red states and headed into the realm of fascism.
Beetwasher.
(2,985 posts)niyad
(113,776 posts)bottom 5 in education. What is lower than 50th (and are we counting the territories?)?
louis-t
(23,309 posts)Welcome to Fahrenheit 451. Will Desatan send the fireman to burn all the books?
AverageOldGuy
(1,564 posts)I think we all know where this is going.
Initech
(100,129 posts)The Christian right has gone way too far. I personally would be extremely happy to see some of these fuckers prosecuted for crimes against humanity.
avebury
(10,953 posts)SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)First book to go! Put them all in a pile and torch them.
kacekwl
(7,025 posts)anymore jut close the damn schools and turn them into right wing media watching /reading room. Complete with shrines to DeSantis and trump and be done with it.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,112 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)I bet they really envy NK. Able to block anything they don't want to hear and have citizens who simply worship them.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Easier said than done, I realize, but they work way too hard to be threatened for doing their jobs!
Do they have a union?
Guessing pootin found another loophole to have his stooges exploit.
Aviation Pro
(12,224 posts)Fuck this piece of phlegm.
RealityBasedNewYorkr
(119 posts)Full of forbidden descriptions of incest, rape, etc.
plimsoll
(1,671 posts)From this point forward students leaving Florida colleges should not be assumed to have met the requirements of their degrees or certificates. All Florida medical and dental students should be treated as having graduated from non-certificated schools. Sure the Red states will not adopt that, but the blue states don't need to accept Floriduhs word for anything henceforth.
moniss
(4,274 posts)armbands be far behind?
IronLionZion
(45,615 posts)GOP is really making America great again
lindysalsagal
(20,785 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)is the approach to ideas that you need to stop them by keeping people from hearing about them.
If you need the book with leftist views off the shelf, you are stating that you can only keep people from having leftist views by blocking their access to other expressions of the views.
And they will still come up anyway.
Hekate
(90,978 posts)BradBo
(532 posts)Who wants to be a teacher with these restrictions. Who wants to be a cop too? Way to many guns out there.
Jim__
(14,092 posts)fightforfreedom
(4,913 posts)They can't control their extremism and they always go to far in the end. From what I have been hearing they have banned some books that have ben around for a very long time. They are fucking idiots and Desantis the Dork is one of the biggest idiots.
Bettie
(16,143 posts)so, what do the kids get now? Bible picture books, the works of Ann Coulter, and other right wingnuts?
MiHale
(9,794 posts)Doctor the lists, hide the books, get another copy of the books give them one, say you did then dont, have reading field trips get away from the school.
Fight fire with republicanism.
The Unmitigated Gall
(3,837 posts)twodogsbarking
(9,891 posts)Get it?
Richard D
(8,811 posts)Are there any environmental laws against it in Florida?
Wednesdays
(17,462 posts)is afraid of books and ideas.
DBoon
(22,415 posts)How are they going to enforce this?
geardaddy
(24,931 posts)YoshidaYui
(41,869 posts)once in office as PRESIDENT, BT we mut NOT let him win... fuck him!
cbabe
(3,552 posts)Torchlight
(3,401 posts)It was available in my sixth-grade homeroom class, and I'd read ten minutes of per day (until I was halfway through it and the teacher asked if I wanted to take it. Thank you, Mrs. Pomeroy!). I finished reading it, and thought, "Wow! Adult books are way better Dynamite Magazine!"
Next year, I'm in the neighborhood middle school and I find out the same author wrote another book called Plague Dogs. Went to school library and found it in card catalog, went to get it from the shelves and turns out that previous summer, PTA had gotten infested with adults whose knowledge of the reading material was limited to book covers, but no matter-- Plague Dogs, Charlotte's Web and Bridge to Terabithia had been removed from the shelves, in addition to a dozen other titles I can't remember.
Last week, wife told me our state of Texas has banned 801 books, spanning 22 school districts, in the past year more than any other state. The assertion that conservatives are more afraid of ideas than they are of hunger (loose attribution to Pres. Carter) seems more and more concrete every day.
She followed that up with one grim statement: "If you block access to opinions and knowledge, you block access to education." I think she's right, a slow defunding of education is part of the conservative agenda (so everyone is as unlearned as they?).
Martin68
(22,945 posts)zanana1
(6,136 posts)Hekate
(90,978 posts)
he can go. He is a seriously dangerous man.
STUDENTS GATHER BOOKS FOR BOOK BURNING
Across Germany, students took books by truck, furniture van, even oxcart, and heaped them into pyres on public squares.
STUDENTS AND MEMBERS OF THE SA UNLOAD MATERIALS FOR BOOK BURNING
Students and members of the SA unload books deemed "un-German" during the book burning in Berlin.
Timeflyer
(2,033 posts)And most teachers don't make enough money in FL to face all the consequences of crossing the Tallahassee Tyrant. The Proud Boys' Ladies Auxiliary, Mom's for Bigotry, have taken over school boards. Corporate charter school minions are running the state Board of Ed., helping push school privatization. Intimidating teachers and librarians is just one tactic. US beware.
mercuryblues
(14,552 posts)His children's books are a way to groom kids into read about his pornographic book.
7 naked sisters who vowed never to marry and be true to themselves.
ZonkerHarris
(24,286 posts)Marcuse
(7,554 posts)geretogo
(1,281 posts)Takket
(21,681 posts)I can understand the fear in doing so. Being threatened with prison is scary, I have to admit I wouldn't be brave enough to risk this, but there are many braver than me. Someone needs to fight it, and rally the public behind them.
Also it should be noted the library can stay accessible as long as the books are listed on the schools website. Though it says nothing about what this "vetting" process is. Can the teachers compile the list? a parents? a 3rd part contractor? who gets to say if the book is allowed or not? It's absurd no instructions are given... but hopefully they play along for now since kids need their books back, even if they have to jump through these absurd hoops to get them.
flyfreebird
(14 posts)First they came to ban books, then they came to ban AfroAmerican studies. what´s next, Hispanics, Asians studies? He keeps up with his "bannings, eventually shit is going to hit him in the face.