More classified documents found at Biden's Wilmington, Delaware

[applegrove]

residence. CNN Justice Department is looking through the residences.

Investigators Seize More Classified Documents From Biden’s Home
A team from the Department of Justice conducted a 13-hour search of the president’s Wilmington residence on Friday.

By Michael D. Shear and Katie Rogers
Jan. 21, 2023, 7:07 p.m. ET
1 MIN READ

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/21/us/politics/biden-documents.html

"SNIP.......

WASHINGTON — Investigators for the Department of Justice seized more than half a dozen additional documents, some of them classified, at President Biden’s residence in Wilmington, Del., on Friday after conducting a 13-hour search of the home, the president’s personal lawyer said Saturday evening.

Six documents with classified markings — including some from his time as a senator and others from his time as vice president — were taken by investigators, along with surrounding materials, according to the statement from Bob Bauer, Mr. Biden’s attorney.

Investigators also took “personally handwritten notes” by Mr. Biden from his time as vice president, Mr. Bauer wrote.

“Yesterday, D.O.J. completed a thorough search of all the materials in the president’s Wilmington home. It began at approximately 9:45 a.m. and concluded at around 10:30 p.m. and covered all working, living and storage spaces in the home,” Mr. Bauer said.

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[dem4decades]

1. Snatching defeat out of the jaws of victory. So depressing.

[Cha]

17. Defeatism isn't helping. It's Not over Yet. nt

[dem4decades]

30. I'm not saying it's over but Trump's documents case was a slam dunk.

Now it's lost in the fog. Trump is going to get away with everything. As usual.

[Cha]

32. I disagree.. I don't

Think it’s lost at all.

[Raven123]

2. Good grief. How many documents does he have that this is taking so long?

Wonder if this search was at the request of the special counsel. I hope others are watching and learning what not to do.

[sprinkleeninow]

3. Currently on MSNBC. I dunno. Something feels phoney.

[Raven123]

4. I don't think so.

[dem4decades]

31. Please, let's not be Trumpers.

[sprinkleeninow]

38. I just have an unsettling feeling. Seems sorta 'convenient'. Not saying that it's possible

that docs found is validly true.

[sprinkleeninow]

39. I almost used the word 'hokey' in lieu of 'phoney' of which hokey was a cinnamon

I mean synonym. 🤭 🙃

[IA8IT]

5. So Justice Dept......Joe Biden... Boxers or Briefs

[TheProle]

6. Link

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/21/politics/white-house-documents

[applegrove]

7. I just put up a NYTimes link:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/21/us/politics/biden-documents.html

[IA8IT]

34. Investigators Seize More Classified Documents... Seize?? Is that the best word or most dramatic?

[applegrove]

35. Good catch.

[sprinkleeninow]

41. IKR? SEIZE! How theatrical. Sick of this.

[budkin]

8. Drip drip drip

Facepalm

[beaglelover]

9. Christ. Not good.

[a kennedy]

10. WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON??? I am so gawd damn sick of "classified documents"

wherever the hell they are. 🤬 🤬 🤬

[bigtree]

11. so it's on DOJ to finalize this search

...and they're doing that.

Still meh.

The documents at the Wilmington, Delaware, home appear to be related to his time as vice president as well as to his tenure in the U.S. Senate and were found after Biden's counsel offered full access to the premises as the department investigates his possession of classified material, Bob Bauer, Biden's personal attorney, said in a statement.

“DOJ took possession of materials it deemed within the scope of its inquiry, including six items consisting of documents with classification markings and surrounding materials, some of which were from the President’s service in the Senate and some of which were from his tenure as Vice President," Bauer said.

He added that the department had "full access" to Biden's home, "including personally handwritten notes, files, papers, binders, memorabilia, to-do lists, schedules, and reminders going back decades."

After their initial voluntary compliance without ANY request or demand from National Archives, FBI, or DO (unlike Trump who went to court to defy them with documents the Archives says are still unaccounted for), the Biden attorneys are fully cooperating.

You can't cover the daylight mile between the scandal and criminality Trump has backed himself into, and the nothing that Biden will face over his voluntarily turning over docs, by whinging over this lovefest of a search.

[Beautiful Disaster]

13. lol lmao even

[Cha]

18. GAME OVER MAN!! nt

[W_HAMILTON]

14. APOCALYPTIC, I say!

[Just A Box Of Rain]

15. You forgot the "sarcasm" emoticon, right?

[chowder66]

19. +1

[WarGamer]

20. Here's why the optics are bad...

Biden's team made arrangements with the DOJ that Lawyers, not supervised by FBI agents would perform the initial search.

Now, weeks later, FBI performed the search and found more.

We all know this is a nothingburger. NO ONE thinks Joe is using docs for nefarious reasons.

But it's food and fuel for the GOP and specifically the House.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/evidence-justify-fbi-search-documents-biden-home-experts/story?id=96488911

[W_HAMILTON]

24. No good deed goes unpunished around you, eh Wargamer?

Imagine trying to spin this into a bad thing. This is probably exactly why Democrats should just never go above and beyond when it comes to situations like this. Do the bare, legal minimum, and that's it, because look where trying to do the right thing gets you.

Remind me: has the DOJ or FBI searched all of Trump's properties?

[WarGamer]

26. Unfortunately... you always see my comments in the most unfortunate and unintended light.

My favorite thing about DU... for several years are the people who go out of their way to educate, clarify and summarize events for people.

We don't want people wandering around repeating memes or something they "saw" on Twitter or Facebook.

DU has a bunch of REALLY smart people who actually work pretty hard to raise the overall knowledge level of everyone on this website. I'd never put myself on their level, of course...

It's important to understand an event so that when you hear about it on the news... you understand it.

[W_HAMILTON]

29. We also don't want them to hear a constant negative spin on everything, yes?

[bigtree]

25. here's where that's far-flung

...Trump didn't cooperate and invite the FBI in, immediately turning over documents they voluntarily found without any request or demand from the Archives or anyone else.

The timeline of his and his lawyers' obstruction contains much more than documents found. It's a pattern of ignoring requests from the NA, then ignoring demands from the FBI, blossoming into full-blown obstruction.

...educate yourself on that here:

Timeline: The Justice Department criminal inquiry into Trump taking classified documents to Mar-a-Lago
https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/09/politics/doj-investigation-trump-documents-timeline/index.html

As long as the Biden team keeps the FBI and DOJ close to their efforts and cooperates fully, and there's absolutely no reason to believe they won't or haven't, the government, or more importantly, the courts will regard this as inadvertent and mostly un-actionable.

Just try the politics and see where that gets them. Trump embroiled in criminality and the President fully cooperating in this lovefest of a search.

[WarGamer]

27. Did I mention Trump? We're talking about a specific event...

And you go all off-topic with me, suggesting that I "educate" myself... LMAO.

[bigtree]

28. the optics are the comparison

...two parties.

Trump party, and the Democratic party. That's the optic here, not Biden in myopia.

[MOMFUDSKI]

21. So Biden on purpose decides to be the

GOOSE so the orange menace can be the GANDER? It is a thought.

[onenote]

22. Documents from time in Senate might not remain classified

(b) If the original classification authority cannot determine an earlier specific date or event for declassification, information shall be marked for declassification 10 years from the date of the original decision, unless the original classification authority otherwise determines that the sensitivity of the information requires that it be marked for declassification for up to 25 years from the date of the original decision.

Biden left the Senate 14 years ago.

[dalton99a]

23. Another day, another batch of classified documents. W. T. F.

[niyad]

33. Six. 13 hours.

[Hugin]

44. That math ran through my head, too.

Also, that some of the "documents" predated President Biden's time in the Executive branch... So, let's say three documents in thirteen hours.

Since not a single person knows what the exact definition of "Classified Markings" is and can state it. Heck, I'm sure a document marked as "Unclassified" might fit. Since, all personnel actions in the government, including pay stubs have to be marked with "classification markings" I'm guessing the only thing that's real about this story is the story itself. There's every reason to believe that the search yielded ZERO relevant documents in thirteen hours of searching.

But, you know, they've got to report finding something to keep those mouse clicks and eye balls.

[moose65]

36. All of this makes me wonder...

Do ALL Senators have classified documents somewhere in their houses and offices? Are they permitted to take documents without returning them?

I would assume that top-secret documents can’t be removed to someone’s home or office, but what about lower-level classified documents? How many copies are there? What is the protocol in handling them?

[RobinA]

40. I Would Wager

that they all do have documents. I'd be surprised if they didn't.

[Bootlace]

37. Is it odd?

I am surprised that it isn't normal for presidents and vice presidents to have documents left over from their time in office. Secrets have a shelf life. Stuff from 6to7 years ago probably isn't all that valuable.

[GP6971]

42. They really don't have a "shelf life".

There are core basics to every plan...think terrain as an example. Technology changes, but not the terrain one must fight in.

Welcome to DU!

[kelly1mm]

45. You mean like all the documents Trump had at Maralago? Those would 'eventually' be as

old as thost in the Biden residences. Unless you are claiming they have not been there for years as it looks like they have been .....

[spanone]

43. Is this going to continue for two years?

A 13 hour search?

[LetMyPeopleVote]

46. Now's a good time for Joe Biden to invite the FBI into his house

This move was suggested on MSNBC earlier this week

Link to tweet

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/joe-biden-put-classified-documents-scandal-rcna65926?cid=sm_npd_ms_tw_ma&taid=63ca032a056e60000198f558&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

Regarding multiple discoveries of improperly stored classified documents from Joe Biden’s time as vice president, President Biden’s lawyers assert that they “quickly turned all the classified documents over to authorities and have cooperated fully with the appropriate government agencies.” As has already been noted, that level of cooperation distinguishes the Biden documents matter from the reportedly obstruction-laden fiasco involving hundreds of sensitive documents at former President Donald Trump’s properties. If Biden wants to make an even stronger contrast between himself and Trump, there’s yet another step to take: Consent to a search of his properties.

Special Counsel Robert Hur, who last week was appointed by Attorney General Merrick Garland to lead an investigation into the mishandling of classified documents by Biden, first needs to determine the scope of what he’s dealing with. That is, how many documents — and of what level of sensitivity — are in places they shouldn’t be? That question isn’t just necessary to determine whether someone committed a crime, but it’s also crucial for the intelligence community’s task of performing a damage assessment. That’s why it’s time for Hur to ask for consent to search Biden’s Wilmington, Delaware, home. In fact, Biden should make the offer even if Hur doesn’t first ask.

Hur and his assigned FBI agents should also seek consent to search the office and related storage space Biden used at the Penn Biden Center in Washington. That request could be trickier because it likely involves a landlord-tenant question of who could authorize the search, but it’s not insurmountable. Lastly, the special counsel should also request — and Biden should consent to — a search of any other properties or storage spaces, including his home in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware, even though there are no reports of documents at other locations......

The smart path for both the special counsel and Biden is clear. For the sake of transparency, national security, prosecutive determinations, institutional credibility and politics, a consent search is the way to go. All we need is a special counsel who will ask and a president who will answer, “Yes.”

[applegrove]

48. It was the Justice Department who were looking for documents

in Biden's home this week and found more.

[GoCubsGo]

49. According to Glenn Kirschner, Biden invited DOJ to search his home.

So, it looks like he did what Frank Figliuzzi suggested. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to make a difference to those who are trying to make this out to be something that it is not. All many seem to care about is the fact that they found more documents. It's also interesting that no one besides Glenn seems to be pointing out that Biden was the one who instigated the search.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

50. This was a voluntary search

Link to tweet

[LetMyPeopleVote]

47. Statement from White House Counsel's Office on ongoing cooperation with the Justice Department:

Link to tweet