More Biden 'documents' found...

[Septua]

Breaking news on MSNBC. And the White House is saying very little, which is making bad matters worse. Not sure why Biden isn't offering some explanation to calm the storm.

[AkFemDem]

1. There's no explanations for calming the storm

People who hate Joe Biden don’t care about explanations and will twist whatever he says to be a lame excuse.

People who are Joe Biden apologists already believe this must all be either some grand conspiracy or a big nothing burger.

The in betweens, will continue to find it suspicious, but won’t muster any actual outrage.

In short, no one will change their mind.

[TheRealNorth]

4. Rule #1 of managing controversy us to always be in front of the story

Or else someone else will step in and spoonfeed the MSM a narrative.

[Septua]

18. My same thoughts

Surely Joe has some idea of why he has the documents, unless they were planted, which is a thin theory for me. But the visuals of the situation get worse by the hour.

I suppose by this point, it's too late to offer an explanation.

[Walleye]

2. Secret service often stayed in the guest house next to the garage. Hmmm

I wonder if they have surveillance tapes

[brooklynite]

9. Where did the "pro Trump" Secret Service get documents from Biden's time as VP?

[GoCubsGo]

11. From one of those boxes of documents that were previously stored at Merde a Lardo?

From what I understand, some of the documents Trump swiped came from the Obama years.

[Polybius]

20. Do SS members go back ad forth?

What I mean is let's say a SS is one day assigned to Trump. Would it be possible if he or she is reassigned to Biden?

[GoCubsGo]

22. Does it matter?

It's not hard to pass a document off from one agent to another, regardless of assignment.

[Polybius]

25. It matters a little

They less that know the crime, the better the secret won't get out. If a crooked SS agent was assigned to Trump and knew that he was going to be relocated, it betters the chances of fowl play.

I don't think that a bunch of SS agents are in on this, the secret would get out. One rogue agent could be possible.

[GoCubsGo]

28. You only need the one on the recieving end.

Stephen Miller or some other toady could easily have passed off do to an agent who is assigned to Biden's property. Remember that Trump has not turned over everything. He still has numerous documents.

[Ms. Toad]

41. This crap needs to go to the Creative Speculation forum.

I'm sure I've got documents in my home office from every job I've worked unless it was strictly a 9-5, leave it in the office kind of job. Being Vice President is a 24/7 kind of job.

I suspect it is even harder to keep track of every document when you are the President or Vice President, and have lots of folks to haul stuff around for you - and the substance of your work is, Oh, I don't know, maybe helping run nearly all aspects of the entire country - and relationships with the rest of the world. Not like the work that came home was likely to be isolated, discrete tasks. Crap happens. Documents get misplaced.

Some were found - and given the politics of the situation - that started a search for any others which might have been misplaced and not returned at the end of his term. Unlike Trump, Biden is proactively working with the proper authorities to get everything back where it belongs.

Does it look good? No. But it is completely different from Trump - who actively took things (not during his term, but once his term was over), who is actively hiding things, insisting that they belong to him, etc.

Is Biden, or anyone near him, suggesting the documents were planted? Nope. He's an honorable man, owning up to mistakes, and trying to make sure everything

[Ms. Toad]

42. This crap needs to go to the Creative Speculation forum.

I'm sure I've got documents in my home office from every job I've worked unless it was strictly a 9-5, leave it in the office kind of job. Being Vice President is a 24/7 kind of job.

I suspect it is even harder to keep track of every document when you are the President or Vice President, and have lots of folks to haul stuff around for you - and the substance of your work is, Oh, I don't know, maybe helping run nearly all aspects of the entire country - and relationships with the rest of the world. Not like the work that came home was likely to be isolated, discrete tasks. Crap happens. Documents get misplaced.

Some were found - and given the politics of the situation - that started a search for any others which might have been misplaced and not returned at the end of his term.

Does it look good? No. But it is completely different from Trump - who actively took things (not during his term, but once his term was over), who is actively hiding things, insisting that they belong to him, etc.

Is Biden, or anyone near him, suggesting the documents were planted? Nope. He's an honorable man, owning up to mistakes, and trying to make sure everything get everything back where it belongs.

He's human. I'm willing to bet that pretty much every other former president/vice president has a stray document or two that somehow didn't get returned at the end of his term.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

3. The optics aren't good.

[Ray Bruns]

5. No they are not.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

7. We were rolling with the better economic numbers.

Most folks will go to their respective corners. How it affects the small number that is in play concerns me. Hopefully it blows over.

[Ray Bruns]

10. I'm angry. We finally had TFG on something he could never wiggle out of.

No amount of lying would ever excuse the amount of documents he had. Now we are going to get a year of “whataboutism.” There is a serious problem with how these documents are tracked and stored.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

14. I'm more disappointed than angry.

That being said I rather see Trump charged with trying to overturn the election.

[News Junkie]

31. I think Georgia is the strongest possibility, anyway

We'll see.

[agingdem]

39. I think that's where Jack Smith was going all along..

the greatest crime is a sitting president plotting a multi pronged coup/inciting a violent insurrection to stay in power..and then there's Trump's election interference/witness intimidation/targeting election workers, MAGA congressional enablers, complicit White House staff, fake state electors, unhinged conspiracy lawyers, and paramilitary militias...

I'm confident Jack Smith will continue to poke the Trump document theft and obstruction but he knows Trump's near successful attempt to overturn the government of the United States (effectively shredding the Constitution) by perpetuating the myth of a stolen election is unprecedented in our lifetime, and until Trump (and his MAGA acolytes) is held accountable we are forever "stuck" in January 6...

[elocs]

12. No, and how will the average voter view this?

Well the average voter is likely to look at it as well Trump had classified documents that he shouldn't have had and so did Biden. So is the comparison then that Trump had malicious intent concerning the documents, but Biden just had crappy record keeping? As a lifelong Democrat my self of 50 years now, I am very disappointed about this. Frankly, I don't see how Biden runs with this because the classified records he had, and we still don't know if this is all of them, will be brought up time and time again by the Republican nominee and if that's Trump he will just use Biden having them to dismiss what he had.

[agingdem]

23. average voters are not politics junkies..

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they vote their "pocketbooks", they vote their healthcare and reproductive rights, they vote their Social Security and Medicare...after covid they want their lives to go back to whatever they define as normal..this Washington political drama is a distraction..and right now fabulist George Santos, the unhinged Donald Trump, spineless Kevin McCarthy, and MAGA nut jobs are much more entertaining than the documents drama...relax

[RockRaven]

6. Not sure why people act like Biden can control which bullshit corporate media spews.

Cable news in particular has a modus operandi which they have found to be effective and profitable over the years, and they aren't going to abandon it in favor of truthfulness, or accurately educating the public about relevant details of current events, or honor.

[elocs]

15. Complaining & blaming the media. Isn't that what Republicans usually do? n/t

[MichMan]

38. The administration has had months to prepare for this and instead of getting in front of it,

they are letting it dribble out day by day and then reacting to the latest news report.

The first batch was found in early November and the second in December.

[CanonRay]

8. I didn't think that there was any way TFG escaped the documents case

but now I wonder....

[fightforfreedom]

13. I wish they would hurry up and find all the documents.

I don't want to hear every day they found more documents. Find all the documents and then clear Biden of any wrong doing.

[Ray Bruns]

17. Well standby because we are about to be subjected to a year of "What about Joe Biden."

[Polybius]

21. Let's say it was carelessness

Would he be cleared for that?

[AkFemDem]

29. "Death by a thousand paper cuts" feels more literal now.

[Mordred]

16. There will be no document prosecutions

for either Trump or Biden. Smith will likely recommend prosecution on obstruction and possession for Trump and Hur will probably not recommend charges.

However, Garland will declare in the interest of being apolitical he will not authorize prosecutions in either.

[fightforfreedom]

30. I doubt it.

[emulatorloo]

40. We'll see, but your crystal ball may need repair.

[Emile]

19. Myself I don't believe Biden could be this careless

with our national security. He has been in politics his entire life and knows better. This stinks to high heaven. They could be planted.

[Polybius]

24. Biden would say it if he thought they were planted, no?

Unless he's trying to rule out mistakes.

[AkFemDem]

33. To the contrary I think complacency is a very real risk with prolonged exposure

You see this in any institution, the longer someone is there, the greater the risk of becoming complacent. It’s why there’s annual training for people working in secure positions- otherwise it would be one and done.

[JanMichael]

26. Did he have some staffer that just threw them all over the place?

It seems so haphazard. The former office file cabinet. In a neat box next to the really sweet Corvette. In the office in my house. Down at the smoothie Palace behind the register.

What the fuck?

Did Obama or Bush one or two have half a dozen or a dozen or a hundred miles more classified just spit out all over the f****** place?

When Johnson took the files it was to stop the American public from knowing that Nixon before he won that election had one of his operatives working with the South Vietnamese government to delay any sort of agreements to bring troops home. He figured that an agreement to bring troops home would lose him the election. I guess Johnson was trying to save the integrity of the United States government by protecting Nixon. Good job dude.

At least Johnson had a damn reason to do it. Not that I agree with him.

[Stinky The Clown]

27. That headline is DISHONEST

Not you. The media.

My take: https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217559964

[GreenWave]

35. TY!

[LetMyPeopleVote]

32. Statement from White House Counsel's Office clarifying a prior statement

Link to tweet

[GreenWave]

34. Seems like water torture so we will forget GOP attempts to bludgeon the IRS

But MSM wants to cover that up. Each time a weak ass document is found, it will be non-stop.

Same as Benghazi, but not 1,000 times deadlier 9/11.

[Tom Rinaldo]

36. Is Biden saying they all really belong to him, or that they are all "declassified"?

Didn't think so. No way Trump gets out of trouble because of this. Every Republican who tries to make a big deal out of this automatically makes a much much bigger deal out of what Trump did. Fighting the FBI in court vs cooperating in full, not a favorable comparison for Trump, and detailed comparisons are unavoidable.

[MichMan]

37. According to the White House, he didn't know they were there.