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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsE Howard Hunt planted phony cables implicating JFK in Diem murder in White House safe.
Charles Colson, Nixon White House special counsel, ordered E Howard "Disinformationist Extraordinaire" Hunt to smear the name of President Kennedy.
From the Watergate hearings:
Senator Talmadge Now, you related yesterday about the fabrication of cables from this country to Saigon, relating to the Diem government. Could you state who directed you to go to the State Department and look at those cables?
Mr. Hunt It was my suggestion initially. I was authorized to do so by the State Department itself at the request of Mr. David Young.
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Senator Talmadge Now, you got there and you found that you thought some of those cables needed a little beefing up to implicate the Kennedy administration ; is that what you recited?
Mr. Hunt In effect, Senator, yes.
Senator Talmadge Now, what did you finally do? You got there and you fabricated some cables; what was the nature of the fabricated cables and what did they say?
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Mr. Hunt As I recall it, one, the text of one cable which I fabricated was a query or inquiry from the Saigon Embassy, which Ambassador Lodge then headed, postulating a course of action such as granting political asylum to Diem and to his brother-in-law in the event that they should seek asylum, and the second cable that I fabricated was an alleged response from the White House to that inquiry.
Senator Talmadge What was the reason?
Mr. Hunt It was a negative response.
Senator Talmadge In other words, it was alleged to be President Kennedy speaking for this Government that political asylum would not be granted; is that it?
Mr. Hunt Yes. sir.
Senator Talmadge Now were there other cables fabricated?
Mr. Hunt No, sir.
Senator Talmadge How did that relate to the implication of President Kennedy and the assassination of President Diem?
Mr. Hunt The mere witholding of asylum would have resulted in the deaths of the two men who sought it, should they have sought it.
Senator Talmadge In other words, this was the only way out of the assassination, as you saw it?
Mr. Hunt Yes, sir.
Senator Talmadge And the object of that fabrication was to alienate the Catholic vote in the Presidential election of 1972?
Mr. Hunt That would have been part of the thrust of the cable; yes, sir.
Senator Talmadge Who worked with you and directed your efforts in that fabrication?
Mr. Hunt I was directed solely by Mr. Charles Colson. No one worked with me.
Senator Talmadge Mr. Colson authorized, directed it and condoned it, is that your testimony?
Mr. Hunt Yes, sir.
Senator Talmadge And also sought to get wide dissemination in the press relating to those fabricated cables, is that correct?
Mr. Hunt Through Mr. William Lambert of Life magazine.
Senator Talmadge Now you put those cables, I believe, the fabricated cables in your safe at the White House?
Mr. Hunt Yes, sir.
Senator Talmadge And left them there and those cables were ultimately turned over to Mr. Dean and others in the White House to Mr. Gordon Gray who ultimately burned them at his country residence, is that correct?
Mr. Hunt So it has been alleged, yes, sir.
Senator Ervin That is Patrick Gray.
Senator Talmadge Patrick Gray, I stand corrected.
Senator Ervin My fellow North Carolinian.
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Mr. Dash. What was Mr. Colson's reaction to your statement and the showing of the cables to him? Did he agree that the cables were sufficient evidence to show any relationship between the Kennedy administration and the assassination of Diem?
Mr. Hunt. He did.
Mr. Dash. Did he ask you to do anything?
Mr. Hunt. He suggested that I might be able to improve upon the record. To create, fabricate cables that could substitute for the missing chronological cables.
Mr. Dash Did you in fact fabricate cables for the purpose of indicating the relationship of the Kennedy administration to the assassination of Diem?
Mr. Hunt. I did.
Mr. Dash. What was his response to the fabricated cables?
Mr. Hunt. He indicated to me that he would probably be getting in touch with a member of the press, to whom he would show the cables.
Mr. Dash. And were you, in fact, put in touch with a member of the media?
Mr. Hunt. I was.
Mr. Dash. Who was that?
Mr. Hunt. Mr. William Lambert of Life magazine.
On being asked whether Mr. Lambert had used the information in any way, Hunt replied "not to my knowledge." Hunt later showed the fake cables to Colonel Conein prior to Conein's appearance on an NBC-TV special on Vietnam:
Mr. Dash. And did Colonal Conein use any of this information from the fabricated cables in his program?
Mr. Hunt. I would have to answer in these terms, Mr. Dash, that I had shown him the fabricated cables in the context of the overall cables, that he was then interrogated by a camera and interview crew and that I believe he made, if not specific reference to the cables I showed him, at least they reinforced his own belief that there had been direct complicity by the Kennedy administration in the events leading up to the assassination of the South Vietnamese Premier.
SOURCE:
http://www.hoboes.com/pub/Politics/United%20States/Scandals/Watergate%20Hearings
AZSkiffyGeek
(11,236 posts)Wow.
sarisataka
(19,056 posts)He fabricated future intelligence in case that rookie congressman someday became a VP. Amazing how he picked names of future would leaders and foresaw the fall of the USSR leading to Ukraine becoming an independent country. Tricky indeed.
That makes about as much sense as some of the conspiracy theories being kicked around. It was not so long ago DU ridiculed those who put forth wild claims without a shred of evidence to support them.
Kid Berwyn
(15,284 posts)Before Watergate, when Nixon was just a traitor
Nixon nixed commissioning Apollo 11 "The John F. Kennedy"
(Blogger Machodoc) Came across an interesting tidbit at the Archives yesterday, specifically in Kissinger's National Security space files.
It seems that in early summer 1969 Bill Moyers, after reading an article in Newsday, wrote Pat Moynihan to ask if he could convice President Nixon to christen the Apollo XI the "John F. Kennedy". Moynihan agreed, sent a memo to up the chain of command, where before it finally reached the White House received a couple of additional endorsements.
On June 12 the proposal reached John Ehrlichman's desk, and in a memo to H. R. Haldeman, wrote: "Unlike Daniel P. Moynihan, I can see no advantage to the President to commission the Apollo 11 moon shot the "John F. Kennedy." We would win neither friends in Congress no votes in 1972 and would only become pawns in the press's game of perpetuating the name of JFK. Fall prey to this and the next step will be renaming the moon because NBC thinks it would be a good idea."
The next day, in a memo to his boss, Haldeman, Steve Bull agreed, an in his memo said that "we have gone far enough in "Kennedyizing" such ventures."
In the action box at the bottom of the page, in the space recommending the action be abandoned is Haldeman's "H", with a note in strong handwriting and double underlined, "positively!!"
SOURCE:
http://www.collectspace.com/ubb/Forum29/HTML/000980.html
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Explains why the pukes were so fast to unname Cape Kennedy back to Cape Canaveral -- speeds the day when no one remembers Liberal Democrats led the United States to the moon.
MagickMuffin
(16,024 posts)And when they work as Secret Service members they cannot be trusted at all. Especially after the former occupant of the White House.
Captain Zero
(6,911 posts)That were a surprise.
Kid Berwyn
(15,284 posts)
evolved into CIA - Capitalisms Invisible Army afterwards. And it kept on evolving.
What former Present Truman wrote about what he signed into law:
Limit CIA Role To Intelligence
By Harry S Truman
The Washington Post, December 22, 1963 - page A11
Excerpt...
For some time I have been disturbed by the way CIA has been diverted from its original assignment. It has become an operational and at times a policy-making arm of the Government. This has led to trouble and may have compounded our difficulties in several explosive areas.
I never had any thought that when I set up the CIA that it would be injected into peacetime cloak and dagger operations. Some of the complications and embarrassment I think we have experienced are in part attributable to the fact that this quiet intelligence arm of the President has been so removed from its intended role that it is being interpreted as a symbol of sinister and mysterious foreign intrigueand a subject for cold war enemy propaganda.
With all the nonsense put out by Communist propaganda about "Yankee imperialism," "exploitive capitalism," "war-mongering," "monopolists," in their name-calling assault on the West, the last thing we needed was for the CIA to be seized upon as something akin to a subverting influence in the affairs of other people.
I well knew the first temporary director of the CIA, Adm. Souers, and the later permanent directors of the CIA, Gen. Hoyt Vandenberg and Allen Dulles. These were men of the highest character, patriotism and integrityand I assume this is true of all those who continue in charge.
But there are now some searching questions that need to be answered. I, therefore, would like to see the CIA be restored to its original assignment as the intelligence arm of the President, and that whatever else it can properly perform in that special fieldand that its operational duties be terminated or properly used elsewhere.
We have grown up as a nation, respected for our free institutions and for our ability to maintain a free and open society. There is something about the way the CIA has been functioning that is casting a shadow over our historic position and I feel that we need to correct it.
SOURCE: http://www.maebrussell.com/Prouty/Harry%20Truman's%20CIA%20article.html
Well, it was a good idea.
Walleye
(31,249 posts)SheilaAnn
(9,732 posts)ality of the right and some FBI/SS. Nope, not crazy.
Kaleva
(36,474 posts)"Confirmation bias is our tendency to cherry-pick information that confirms our existing beliefs or ideas. Confirmation bias explains why two people with opposing views on a topic can see the same evidence and come away feeling validated by it."
https://fs.blog/confirmation-bias/#:~:text=Confirmation%20bias%20is%20our%20tendency,away%20feeling%20validated%20by%20it.
Kid Berwyn
(15,284 posts)Almost funny how its not mentioned in Corporate McPravda.
ETA: Something else thats odd is how quickly people will self-censor their speech in order not to be labeled crazy. A rational mind prefers to know truth, not what is supposed to be true.
Walleye
(31,249 posts)Kid Berwyn
(15,284 posts)They destroyed evidence they were ordered to preserve, and by law as government employees required to preserve, regarding January 6.
Have you ears Abraham Boldens story?
The first African American on the Secret Service White House detail reported the Secret Service, including members of its leadership, didn't like African Americans or President Kennedy in 1963.
Former U.S. Secret Service Agent Abraham BOLDEN was the first African American Secret Service agent to serve in the White House, personally appointed and literally hand-picked by President John F. Kennedy to the White House detail. Agent Abraham Bolden reported overt racism by his fellow agents and outright hostility toward the "n------loving president," quoting fellow Secret Service agents on the JFK detail.
In addition to enduring all manner of personal indignities, he was concerned at the lack of professionalism in those assigned to protect the president and reported his concerns. He was told, "OK. Thanks" by his superiors. When the problems weren't addressed, Bolden requested transfer back to the Secret Service office in Chicago.
President Biden recently pardoned Abraham Bolden
The story of a man who told the truth:
After 45 Years, a Civil Rights Hero Waits for Justice
Thom Hartmann
June 12, 2009 11:52 AM
A great miscarriage of justice has kept most Americas from learning about a Civil Rights pioneer who worked with President John F. Kennedy. But there is finally a way for citizens to not only right that wrong, but bring closure to the most tragic chapter of American presidential history.
After an outstanding career in law enforcement, Abraham Bolden was appointed by JFK to be the first African American presidential Secret Service agent, where he served with distinction. He was part of the Secret Service effort that prevented JFK's assassination in Chicago, three weeks before Dallas. But Bolden was framed by the Mafia and arrested on the very day he went to Washington to tell the Warren Commission staff about the Chicago attempt against JFK.
Bolden was sentenced to six years in prison, despite glaring problems with his prosecution. His arrest resulted from accusations by two criminals Bolden had sent to prison. In Bolden's first trial, an apparently biased judge told the jury that Bolden was guilty, even before they began their deliberations. Though granted a new trial because of that, the same problematic judge was assigned to oversee Bolden's second trial, which resulted in his conviction. Later, the main witness against Bolden admitted committing perjury against him. A key member of the prosecution even took the fifth when asked about the perjury. Yet Bolden's appeals were denied, and he had to serve hard time in prison, and today is considered a convicted felon.
After the release of four million pages of JFK assassination files in the 1990s, it became clear that Bolden -- and the official secrecy surrounding the Chicago attempt against JFK -- were due to National Security concerns about Cuba, that were unknown to Bolden, the press, Congress, and the public not just in 1963, but for the next four decades.
SNIP...
Abraham Bolden paid a heavy price for trying to tell the truth about events involving the man he was sworn to protect -- JFK -- that became mired in National Security concerns. Bolden still lives in Chicago, and has never given up trying to clear his name.
Will Abraham Bolden live to finally see the justice so long denied to him?
CONTINUED...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/thom-hartmann/after-45-years-a-civil-ri_b_213834.html
After the assassination, he went to Washington on his own dime and reported what he saw to the Warren Commission. For his trouble -- and despite an exemplary record as a Brinks detective, Illinois State Trooper, and Secret Service agent -- Bolden was framed by the government using a paid informant's admitted perjury and spent a long time in prison. The government also drugged him and put him into psychiatric hospitals. His real crime was telling the truth.
Walleye
(31,249 posts)They have infiltrated every institution and at every level. Now they are pushing for all elected offices at the local level. They are at least 45% of the way to their goal on this very day. It is coming down to the wire and I am very concerned about the outcome.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,725 posts)Kid Berwyn
(15,284 posts)
and wanted copies.
Got to go a ways to find this stuff even on the Internet.
Source: PDF to an interesting publication (The Guantanamo Gazette):
https://ufdcimages.uflib.ufl.edu/AA/00/03/16/61/00733/AA00031661_00733.pdf
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,725 posts)Only those which are based on violation of physical laws, rather than man-made laws, can be dismissed out of hand. Others can only be ranked on scales of improbability and implausibility.
When I first heard about Watergate, I thought it was no big deal. It grew quite a bit.
UTUSN
(70,883 posts)Kid Berwyn
(15,284 posts)Hunt and Colson wanted them to add to their record of disinformation regarding JFK.
The Boston Museum of Fine Arts had an exhibition of LIFE magazine and its role in photojournalism. The section on their coverage of JFKs assassination was less Camelot and more Orwell. They printed stills from the Zapruder film in the wrong order, creating the impression JFKs body moved forward.
Heres a picture:
Pictures making a bigger picture, a false story.
Thank you for fighting the Good Fight, UTUSN.