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Hillary FTW (Original Post) KS Toronado Jan 2023 OP
K&R...... Lovie777 Jan 2023 #1
Once he has been convicted and sentenced for all his crimes, history should be revised. TigressDem Jan 2023 #2
Oh, my long sunken heart. What if indeed. jaxexpat Jan 2023 #4
I will always lament this. triron Jan 2023 #5
As does the World StClone Jan 2023 #6
Can we maybe not do that, please? NullTuples Jan 2023 #20
in addition NJCher Jan 2023 #10
don't get me started! CTyankee Jan 2023 #14
Just imagine. Hillary's to-do list was huge. Hortensis Jan 2023 #8
I'd forgotten about this. ShazzieB Jan 2023 #24
At least the Biden admin was able to raise it to $15 for federal contractors Hortensis Jan 2023 #29
There was something about the exact number $15. betsuni Jan 2023 #35
And perhaps something about who got credit for what. Hortensis Jan 2023 #36
I think it's nice to give credit. The Fight for Fifteen began in 2012 with a strike and became betsuni Jan 2023 #37
Seattle's been doing MW increases since also. Just looked, Hortensis Jan 2023 #42
"And many ideas that I brought forth, $15 an hour minimum wage, 'Hey, Bernie, you're crazy, that's betsuni Jan 2023 #46
Oh, right. It wasn't extreme at all, but a socialist going around Hortensis Jan 2023 #47
Him with Putin's help. KS Toronado Jan 2023 #9
K&R TigressDem Jan 2023 #3
Where is Hillary's statement taken from? StClone Jan 2023 #7
Foreign policy speech, 2016. MrsCoffee Jan 2023 #15
Thanks MrsCoffee StClone Jan 2023 #16
My pleasure! MrsCoffee Jan 2023 #19
Temperamentally unfit is the polite way of saying he is as crazy as a bat. patricia92243 Jan 2023 #11
That. ShazzieB Jan 2023 #25
Nah, he's not crazy Genki Hikari Jan 2023 #38
K&R brer cat Jan 2023 #12
Trump is a dangerous career criminal. dalton99a Jan 2023 #13
Temperamentally unfit and morbidly obese Blue Owl Jan 2023 #17
Brilliantly accurate, concise description of TFG Raven123 Jan 2023 #18
Hillary has been saying this since before 2015, but not many heard her housecat Jan 2023 #21
And too many actively ignored her or tried to silence her Genki Hikari Jan 2023 #39
damn media and propaganda housecat Jan 2023 #40
like it republianmushroom Jan 2023 #22
Truth! Catherine Vincent Jan 2023 #23
BRILLIANT SUMMARY! bluboid Jan 2023 #26
I see Hillary is sticking to the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Martin68 Jan 2023 #27
Perfect ! 3 Blue Waves 4 U KS Toronado Jan 2023 #28
trump "ideas" defined with fewer words. "Brainfarts" nt albacore Jan 2023 #30
Good one, fit's in perfectly ! KS Toronado Jan 2023 #31
She did it in 2016 inthewind21 Jan 2023 #32
Three million more Americans listened to her than to Fox Noise and Putin's stooge DFW Jan 2023 #34
When was this posted/spoken? 2015? BigmanPigman Jan 2023 #33
How many times do we have to say "she called it" before the knuckleheads calimary Jan 2023 #41
HRC was correct then, and is still correct. niyad Jan 2023 #43
more like batshit crazy dawn5651 Jan 2023 #44
A lack of self awareness Aussie105 Jan 2023 #45

TigressDem

(5,125 posts)
2. Once he has been convicted and sentenced for all his crimes, history should be revised.
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 10:34 AM
Jan 2023

For 2016 and Presidential Position 45 - it should be noted that AN IMPOSTER STOLE THE ELECTION
Under his picture should say, USURPER not elected BY THE PEOPLE
THEN Hilary's picture should be there as PEOPLE'S CHOICE - denied

JUST IMAGINE if he hadn't been able to rig the electors in 2016.

4-8 years of Clinton stability instead of the insanity of the tRUMP years with all the dirty diapers the toddler in chief has left and is still filling and lobbing at the White House.

NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
20. Can we maybe not do that, please?
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 12:21 PM
Jan 2023

Last edited Wed Jan 11, 2023, 02:09 PM - Edit history (1)

So called "sideshow freaks" were typically disabled people or simply people who appeared different enough from the local paying public. Dark skin, differently shaped eyes, women with excess facial or body hair, people whose limbs and bodies that didn't develop in the typical fashion in utero. Being mocked and ridiculed was often the only job they could get in a society that did not yet have social safety nets and viewed anyone sufficiently different as "touched by sin" merely by existing.

Unlike Republicans, sideshow performers committed no ethical or moral failings by being born into this world and attempting to survive. Republicans on the other hand choose to be who they are, every morning when they get up, and don't care who they harm with their greed.

NJCher

(35,840 posts)
10. in addition
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 11:12 AM
Jan 2023

we haven't even drawn the correct conclusions from this nightmarish experience. That is that some peoples' brains are different than others (see Canadian psychologist Robert D. Hare).

Their brains are different and not in a good way. They are not fit to govern, period.

And we have an entire political party of them now. The Criminal Party, formerly known as "republicans."

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
8. Just imagine. Hillary's to-do list was huge.
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 11:06 AM
Jan 2023

America would be in a far better place now.

Horrifyingly, the federal minimum wage is still $7.25 instead of $15 seven years later. (Those workers might at least have been earning $12 for almost the last 2 years, since March 2021 when Manchin blocked $15, but Senator Sanders wouldn't go for it.)

Sigh.

ShazzieB

(16,672 posts)
24. I'd forgotten about this.
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 01:06 PM
Jan 2023
(Those workers might at least have been earning $12 for almost the last 2 years, since March 2021 when Manchin blocked $15, but Senator Sanders wouldn't go for it.)


What's that expression about letting perfect be the enemy of good? Oh yeah, don't let that happen. *sigh*

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
29. At least the Biden admin was able to raise it to $15 for federal contractors
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 04:27 PM
Jan 2023

and then all federal employees in two different actions, the first nearly two years ago, the second a year ago.

Why Sanders didn't act when he could have a national increase...? I've often thought he seems to see issues in macro-ideological (socialist) and macro-economic terms, and suspect he believes real solutions will only be possible as part of macro-ideological change, all lesser actions as fails.

Liberal Democrats like Hillary and Joe of course seek solutions for people who need them now from within existing progressive government meant to serve them. "Of the people, by the people, and for the people" after all.

betsuni

(25,840 posts)
35. There was something about the exact number $15.
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 08:30 PM
Jan 2023

Not 12.50, not 13.45, not 17.00 -- had to be fifteen or nothing. The magic number.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
36. And perhaps something about who got credit for what.
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 08:37 PM
Jan 2023

Some seem to be more in competition to be the only real, true progressives than to achieve it.

Oh, well. I'm sure it's not been much harder to survive on $14,000 a year over the past two years than it would have been on $24,000.

betsuni

(25,840 posts)
37. I think it's nice to give credit. The Fight for Fifteen began in 2012 with a strike and became
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 09:13 PM
Jan 2023

a national movement, Seattle was one of the first cities with a $15 minimum wage in 2014 and showed that all the restaurants didn't go bankrupt. To use $15 as a purity test as if it appeared out of the blue in 2016 ...

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
42. Seattle's been doing MW increases since also. Just looked,
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 10:51 PM
Jan 2023

2023's MW is now $18.69 after an increase of $1.42. Remember when it was supposed to ruin the economy? Again, Seattle Democrats and the various wonderful unions and organizations behind this, most members also Democratic or leaning, made it happen. Of course.

betsuni

(25,840 posts)
46. "And many ideas that I brought forth, $15 an hour minimum wage, 'Hey, Bernie, you're crazy, that's
Thu Jan 12, 2023, 07:35 AM
Jan 2023

too extreme.'" 7/10/19 Rachel Maddow interview.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
47. Oh, right. It wasn't extreme at all, but a socialist going around
Thu Jan 12, 2023, 11:03 AM
Jan 2023

"owning" it and claiming many thought it was certainly didn't do it any good.

The false equalization of Democrats and liberal progressivism with socialism is deployed at every turn to defeat what are actually widely approved goals, including a MW people can live on. It of course does our party great harm, dissuading many from voting for us for fear of socialism.

As you say.

KS Toronado

(17,477 posts)
9. Him with Putin's help.
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 11:07 AM
Jan 2023

In 2024 maybe we could have a "Do you really want to elect who Putin's rooting for" campaign.
Or "Don't vote for another Putin puppet"

 

Genki Hikari

(1,766 posts)
38. Nah, he's not crazy
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 10:04 PM
Jan 2023

Don't give him that out.

He knows what reality is. How he wants to ignore it or force it into a pattern more pleasing to him doesn't change that.

Temperamentally unfit covers how he's too angry, too whiny, too vindictive, too petty, too impatient, too selfish, too impulsive, too craven, too naive, and all of his other awful character traits.

None of that takes crazy, but it does indicate severe deficiencies in temperament.

And, btw, he is all of those things I listed that makes him temperamentally unfit.

Most irredeemable scumbag, ever.

 

Genki Hikari

(1,766 posts)
39. And too many actively ignored her or tried to silence her
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 10:06 PM
Jan 2023

You expect that of the garbage that is an r thug, but way too many on the left did it too, that's for sure.

KS Toronado

(17,477 posts)
31. Good one, fit's in perfectly !
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 04:43 PM
Jan 2023

d...t...'s Brainfarts aren't just different, they are dangerously incoherent.

DFW

(54,520 posts)
34. Three million more Americans listened to her than to Fox Noise and Putin's stooge
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 07:55 PM
Jan 2023

The questionable distribution of them is what brought the calamity upon us.

calimary

(81,610 posts)
41. How many times do we have to say "she called it" before the knuckleheads
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 10:38 PM
Jan 2023

finally knuckle under?

I swear she’s got a track record better than any sports superstar, when it comes to analysis of the situation and how deviously to message it.

The longer I study this stuff, the more obsessed I become about strategic messaging.

Aussie105

(5,502 posts)
45. A lack of self awareness
Thu Jan 12, 2023, 06:50 AM
Jan 2023

coupled with unbridled ambition and a penchant for rewriting both reality and history are always a dangerous collection in one person.

Why this combination attracted a political party and voters, is incomprehensible.

For that matter - why is he still given air time and why are some still listening to him?






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