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What they found at Maralago: 33 BOXES vs. 11 pages (Original Post) live love laugh Jan 2023 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2023 #1
and like hrc's emails, there's nothing close to criminal intent unblock Jan 2023 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2023 #8
Do ya think CNN can devote 2 hours of this MagickMuffin Jan 2023 #3
They already have iemanja Jan 2023 #5
But they won't offer it as the issue is brought up ad nauseum. live love laugh Jan 2023 #18
The biggest difference is the refusing to give back and claiming to not have any more! RockRaven Jan 2023 #4
The absurd quantity points to malice. I think both it and the response matter. live love laugh Jan 2023 #7
Exactly, oops I have 10 pieces of paper vs oops I have 33 boxes of paper & you can't have them back FSogol Jan 2023 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2023 #19
No one knows how many Trump had since he hasn't returned them all yet. Ford_Prefect Jan 2023 #6
What I'm reading videohead5 Jan 2023 #9
No one missed 11 boxes of documents? blueinredohio Jan 2023 #10
Documents not boxes D_Master81 Jan 2023 #13
In an Alternate Universe C0RI0LANUS Jan 2023 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2023 #20
This is more of a political story than criminal D_Master81 Jan 2023 #12
Unfortunately, once you need to explain it away that it really means nothing in comparison, elocs Jan 2023 #14
You know that, and I know that, Politicub Jan 2023 #15
Kick dalton99a Jan 2023 #17

Response to live love laugh (Original post)

unblock

(52,510 posts)
2. and like hrc's emails, there's nothing close to criminal intent
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 02:05 AM
Jan 2023

unlikely they'd ever be able to prove how the got there, and very likely biden wasn't the only one with access, so it's not at all clear he put them there or knew they were there or knew they were classified even if he did.

donnie's refusal to turn them over even after he was informed they were classified and not his property is extremely problematic for him, legally. he basically said, "yes, i have them; yes, i know they are classified and not my property; yes, i'm keeping them anyway."

that goes a long way towards establishing donnie's criminal knowledge and intent.

they had nothing like that with hillary and have nothing like that with biden.


but that won't stop republicans and the media from covering this like they did hillary's emails, and i'm gonna bet this will lead to the first of several idiotic impeachment charades.

and the media will eat it up.

Response to unblock (Reply #2)

RockRaven

(15,098 posts)
4. The biggest difference is the refusing to give back and claiming to not have any more!
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 02:36 AM
Jan 2023

The quantity doesn't even matter. There is a qualitative difference in the response to being faced with the question of still having that-which-shall-not-be-haved, which on TFG's side a) is an offense in itself and b) speaks to consciousness of guilt.

Response to FSogol (Reply #16)

Ford_Prefect

(7,941 posts)
6. No one knows how many Trump had since he hasn't returned them all yet.
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 02:55 AM
Jan 2023

The illustration above shows 105 docs or folders. Testimony has asserted that the National Archives say there are more documents un-accounted for. Michael Cohen has said he doubts that Mar-A-Lago was the only Trump site where you could find documents which Trump took, and that Trump was likely stashing materials of all kinds throughout his term. He suggested that anywhere the Trump children lived could house documents put there by Donald, along with anywhere Trump traveled to in his vast empire of resorts and hotels.

We also do not know how many Donald flushed, or burned, or gave away.

The public assessments of the content of the documents thus far "returned" by Trump's people has not discussed in detail the specific subjects or topics contained in them.

videohead5

(2,195 posts)
9. What I'm reading
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 04:09 AM
Jan 2023

Is that an aid packed these documents in with Biden's personal papers and sent them to his private office. He did not even know that they were at his private office.

C0RI0LANUS

(510 posts)
11. In an Alternate Universe
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 07:39 AM
Jan 2023

the individual that discovered these 10 or 11 classified documents does something different.

Realizing there was no "mens rea" (guilty intention) on the part of the former VP, he/she secretes the offending documents away, without telling a soul. This individual, without reading the documents, proceeds to burn them in a fireplace.

Response to C0RI0LANUS (Reply #11)

D_Master81

(1,823 posts)
12. This is more of a political story than criminal
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 08:31 AM
Jan 2023

Pretty clear that this was a situation where Biden or his staff acted carelessly and nothing more. Should’ve it happened? Obviously not, but the cries of hypocrisy and investigations from McCarthy and House Republicans ring more of political posturing than anything. This feels like something that Trump will try and use to his advantage again. The “wo is me look at the witch hunt” arguments will begin again if and when nothing comes of this. Might even work on some of those people on the fence about Trump.

elocs

(22,657 posts)
14. Unfortunately, once you need to explain it away that it really means nothing in comparison,
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 08:33 AM
Jan 2023

it does. It just does.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
15. You know that, and I know that,
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 08:41 AM
Jan 2023

but I still hate that this story is a thing.

I believe the president when he says he didn’t know they were there.

And I have to remind myself that if this wasn’t the story being blown out of proportion, it would be something else.

Now the media has its stupid both-sides story. They are also breathlessly reporting on the GOP like what it is doing is normal.

Sigh.

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