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A Jim Jordan drafted document allowing for the interference into ongoing criminal investigations is what got Scott Perry, Matt Gaetz, Paul Gosar, and Andy Biggs -- all of whom sought pardons -- to allow McCarthy to get a gavel.
It appears some of these changes may have been part of the ongoing negotiation that occurred to get Speaker McCarthy the gavel. The metadata on the updated document shows it was last modified at 5:40pm yesterday, in the midst of final intense negotiations.
There are some eye-opening provisions in the text of the GOPs proposed select subcommittee on the weaponization of the federal government that will get a vote next week.
One explicitly authorizes the review of ongoing criminal investigations.(A) the expansive role of Article II authority vested in the Executive Branch to collect information on or otherwise investigate citizens of the United States, including ongoing criminal investigations;
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femmedem
(8,226 posts)That has the potential to be even worse than what Rachel describes in Ultra.
Samrob
(4,298 posts)We know from the past three years that no one has to honor any subpoenas from congress. Treat them with the same respect they treated all other oversight investigations starting with Mueller.
Maraya1969
(22,624 posts)Irish_Dem
(50,047 posts)The insurrectionist MOC do not want to get indicted.
onetexan
(13,136 posts)Irish_Dem
(50,047 posts)onetexan
(13,136 posts)Elessar Zappa
(14,252 posts)Garland will continue to do his job regardless of what these freaks do.
spanone
(136,161 posts)Sounds like acknowledgement of criminal activity.
MagickMuffin
(16,080 posts)Jack Smith, Raymond Hulser and David Harbach wont be sharing their findings with anyone!
Buckeyeblue
(5,519 posts)Committees are able to investigate, to hold hearings, even subpoena witnesses. But that's it.
And they can pass legislation.
And all there people better show up because Democrats can shut things down if there isn't a quorum.
greymattermom
(5,754 posts)Can't any Dem call for a new speaker on a day when a lot of them are at cpac or somewhere else? Or when a bunch of them get covid?
Buckeyeblue
(5,519 posts)Also, if the numbers look right on a particular day, use it then as well.
obamanut2012
(26,302 posts)Dems cannot
PatSeg
(48,235 posts)They can put on a show and make lots of noise for the camera, but they have no power over what the Justice Department does.
This is just more of the same pointless nonsense they've done in the past when they were in the majority. And Jacketless Jordan will be the loudest and most abrasive voice in the room. He really loves all the drama.
Buckeyeblue
(5,519 posts)He'll want to oversee his own prosecution. How rich!
PatSeg
(48,235 posts)Probably, I can hear his empty rants in my head already. That is one men who is truly full of himself - all bluster and absolutely no substance.
Cha
(298,963 posts)Tweet today that says something like the DOJ doesnt have to show them Docs.
Ill find it when I get home and see if I remembered correctly.
MagickMuffin
(16,080 posts)They are some of the dumbest people to hold office, and quite alarming that people vote for them.
Im sure they will be working on the conspiracy theories about why they cant do what they want.
Cha
(298,963 posts)I want BACKFIRE!!
MagickMuffin
(16,080 posts)But then again Kev isnt that smart to know the truth of how our government works.
Cha
(298,963 posts)What Groveling Kev knows if anything
He Should Know that by now.
Genki Hikari
(1,766 posts)Qevin is smarter than most of his caucus.
Now I'm not saying he's a smart guy. Only that he's smarter than the bunch of idiots he's the nominal leader of.
Is he as smart as a Katie Porter or Adam Schiff. Oh hell to the no. But he's smarter than Gaetz, Booboo and Perjury Traitor Greed.
A low bar to clear, yes, but there you have it.
Cha
(298,963 posts)FoxNewsSucks
(10,488 posts)to "be patient".
Lonestarblue
(10,414 posts)The DOJ went after the little fish which ignoring the instigators. Only this week was it reported that Jack Smith has asked the state of Michigan to share emails related to the illegal alternate slate of electors, which says to me that the DOJ had not collected this evidence from Michigan or any other state that sent fake slates of electors to Congress and the National Archives. Why not?
Jack Smith also just hired two people to investigate public corruption, including by members of Congress. Has the DOJ ignored he WH and Willard Hotel insurrection planning meetings attended by members of Congress until now?
It was reported this week that the DOJ has arrested over 900 domestic terrorists who attacked the Capitol on January 6, with more arrests to come, yet has only been able to prosecute about 200 per year, which means we have at least 2-3 more years needed for prosecutions. Meanwhile, most of these violent offenders are walking around free. When will the statute of limitations run out?
I think Jack Smiths appointment is encouraging, but Im taking a wait-and-see approach to what happens next.
Scrivener7
(51,203 posts)goes after the planners of the insurrection.
We have been commenting for YEARS now that Garland has left no such trail, though it should have been visible. When we pointed that out, we were told, "The DOJ doesn't leak!1!"
These aren't leaks. They are the visible paperwork evidence of a normal investigation.
All of these pieces of visible paperwork show us what the DOJ HASN'T done up to now.
And the information should be shocking to all of us. But apparently it isn't.
Genki Hikari
(1,766 posts)This idiot can't do a damn thing about any ongoing DOJ investigation, other than ask about general issues like budget and payroll and priorities. The legislature has no business mucking about in criminal investigations, just like the DOJ can't go into the Congress and tell this halfwitted traitor scum how to run his committee.
It's a clear separation of powers issue.
dalton99a
(82,116 posts)Botany
(70,845 posts)Joe Biden gave medals to the heros of J 6 and the 2020 election, House Democrats held a meeting
to show support for the police and law enforcement who fought to save the US Capitol from terrorists,
and the Republicans put into power the very same people who supported the terrorists.
BTW The House can not stop the DoJ/Jack Smith from looking into crimes.
I was going to ask that question you answered 👋
Botany
(70,845 posts).... set the stage for prosecution of Trump and Meadows. Although, Liz Cheney kind of blocked holding
republican House and Senate members up on criminal charges.
Lovie777
(12,660 posts)bare false witness, way out of the world conspiracies on everything they do.
The opposition is ready with evidence and facts, and most of American people will be disgusted with these assholes. 2024 looks very rosy for the other party.
fightforfreedom
(4,913 posts)Jim Jordan is the head of the judiciary committee. That can't touch the Garland investigations. They can just hold fake hearings and lie.
GoodRaisin
(8,975 posts)He makes a lot of noise, unless its turning his head to child molestation, then hes real quiet.
Genki Hikari
(1,766 posts)Or that's what my grandfather used to say.
snowybirdie
(5,286 posts)But Legislative can't interfere with Executive or Judiciary. Jordan very obviously isn't an attorney.
Botany
(70,845 posts)n/t
Xavier Breath
(3,766 posts)Botany
(70,845 posts)But my late father who taught @ OSU met him in the 1990s told me a little before he
passed he was an A-hole.
gab13by13
(21,916 posts)when criminals are not held accountable.
Maybe DOJ will turn over evidence so as to not appear partisan?
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Xoan
(25,329 posts)gonna be SO busy kicking ASS.
OMGWTF
(4,051 posts)poli-junkie
(1,019 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Be able to stomach him on judiciary
asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)watergate criminals..
to put a fine point on this, Watergate was not J6..and, congressmen were not involved in overthrowing our US Govt., at least, none were discovered to have participated..not sure this list is complete..
Watergate Casualties and Convictions, In the aftermath of Richard Nixons resignation, Watergate continued to claim victims.
one presidential resignation, one vice-presidential resignation although Agnews crimes were unrelated to Watergate,40 government officials indicted or jailed, H.R. Haldeman and John Erlichman (White House staff), resigned 30 April 1973, subsequently jailed, John Dean (White House legal counsel), sacked 30 April 1973, subsequently jailed, John Mitchell, Attorney-General and Chairman of the Committee to Re-elect the President (CREEP), jailed, Howard Hunt and G. Gordon Liddy (ex-White House staff), planned the Watergate break-in, both jailed, Charles Colson, special counsel to the President, jailed, James McCord (Security Director of CREEP), jailed
kairos12
(13,060 posts)ignore all request for documents and issued subpoenas. They set the standard, now they can live with it.
oldsoftie
(12,800 posts)Initech
(100,315 posts)Orrex
(63,396 posts)GQPers dont even bother with any pretense of hiding their corruption and abject criminality, yet Republikkkan voters keep picking them at the ballot box.
Initech
(100,315 posts)Takket
(21,867 posts)the Durham investigation ended in complete disgrace. you would think they would have learned their lesson. Jordan's antics aren't going to move anyone's needle on the issue, on either side. the American people aren't stupid enough to fall for this shit that the people behind the insurrection have any other goal than to save their own asses by trying to discredit DOJ.
the red meat will reinforce the base but who cares? They are brainwashed either way
LiberalFighter
(51,971 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,438 posts)over any Senate actions.
Demsrule86
(69,063 posts)Maeve
(42,389 posts)Stylized, elaborate....but an act just the same
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,964 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,438 posts)The previous Democratic Congress would have had the unredacted Mueller Report.
If the DOJ gives them anything, it should be redacted to the point of being useless.
Blue Owl
(50,974 posts)eleny
(46,166 posts)It'll be blistering.
Emile
(23,932 posts)Genki Hikari
(1,766 posts)Because it ain't happening.
The legislature can ask about budgeting and priorities, but they CANNOT interfere in any manner with any specific investigation.
Separation of powers--the rape enabler is gonna learn a whole lot about that, and soon.