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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIn a few days, thousands of US Citizens will be without any water supply. (And that's a good thing!
I'll try to be brief, but this is actually a decades long story.
To the north of Scottsdale, AZ, there are the McDowell mountains. They are completely arid, no groundwater, springs, rivers, or streams.
It is not part of the city of Scottsdale, it is an un-incorporated area. On purpose. They have, for decades, refused to incorporate themselves, or join the city of Scottsdale. They don't want "big gubmint" telling them what to do.
For decades, they have paid trucking companies to haul water from Scottsdale out to them. They have been getting Scottsdale treated and subsidized water without paying any Scottsdale city taxes.
For over a decade, Scottsdale has been warning them that they need to either join Scottsdale, or find another source of water. They have refused to do either. Dec. 31st, Scottsdale water taps will be closed to them. They are freaking out. "Gov't can't do this to us!!!"
What government? They've refused to have any!
They have done NO preparation.
Now they will find out the consequences of unregulated growth.
Good.
One out there is a horse breeder. How he's going to water those horses heaven only knows.
Aristus
(66,722 posts)Its all take and no give with these people. MAGAts are the biggest leaches in the country.
calimary
(81,851 posts)It really IS all take and no give with these people.
The Something-for-nothing crowd. Very sorry to say Ive forgotten who said that. Wish I could credit them by name.
Tetrachloride
(7,992 posts)lindysalsagal
(20,944 posts)Biophilic
(3,819 posts)RocRizzo55
(980 posts)When they loved Ronnie Rat Raygun.
lindysalsagal
(20,944 posts)bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)Ray Bruns
(4,167 posts)Shipwack
(2,214 posts)I wonder if the unincorporated folks had allies in the town government that have only just gone away ?
womanofthehills
(8,887 posts)With no water? Are their no state construction laws?
soldierant
(7,110 posts)the philosophicl argument on whether morality is perceived through the intellect, or whether there is another faculty for it.
I feel (and it is a feeling - I can't explain it rationally) that it is perceived through the intellect, and therefore I am comfortable with calling them stupid.
But we are really saying the same thing at bottom.
AllaN01Bear
(19,531 posts)GoodRaisin
(8,970 posts)Since then, it just seems to be exploding at the seams of society every damn hour of each passing day.
NYC Liberal
(20,148 posts)Before the internet, nutjobs ranting about chips in vaccines or high-level politicians running child sex rings under pizza parlors would have been confined to a soapbox on the street corner. The only people who would hear their delusions would be people who happened to walk by, and even then only for a moment unless they stopped.
After the Internet came along, but before social media, you had to pay for a domain name and hosting, and then make a website. Then you had to somehow advertise it and get people to it. Which would still be hard. Google made that a bit easier, but even then youd still mostly get people who were specifically searching for your conspiracy theory.
Social media (and YouTube) allows any nut to instantly reach millions or billions of people at no cost with zero effort. And then it spreads so fast that before long millions of people who never even went looking for conspiracy theories are reading about them.
It certainly doesnt help that the media reports on it.
cactusdave
(11 posts)Just kept laughing at these little brains for being so stupid instead of taking what they were saying seriously. Many Liberals still don't take these dumb f_cks seriously.
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)They'll probably find someone to take their money and truck in water, but it ain't gonna be cheap!
Coventina
(27,268 posts)that the cost will at least double, probably triple or more what they are paying now.
On another subject: I got my husband one of those items you recommended a few weeks ago. Or, maybe I should say 'us'. Thanks for the recommendation!!
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)And ... glad to be of service. Remind me (in DM if appropriate) what I suggested again, I forget now lol ... I have a lot of favorite things
Quakerfriend
(5,466 posts)Coventina
(27,268 posts)Although, because it's unregulated, there isn't a lot of hard data.
allegorical oracle
(2,357 posts)reservoir and get pumped to homes? Two thousand households plus livestock would need an awful lot of water. It sounds risky -- apt to get polluted or else require high levels of chlorine.
Coventina
(27,268 posts)It is incredibly risky.
allegorical oracle
(2,357 posts)womanofthehills
(8,887 posts)A solar pump puts water from my well to a holding tank probably around a gallon or more a minute so I have a huge holding tank. Peoples well pumps go out or their wells run dry and they can have water delivered or buy water from many town taps.
Its happening out here in the middle of NM where a developer buys a huge ranch and starts a subdivision not connected to the closest town. The people who live in these subdivisions are not all Republicans. Most are moving to the west from NY & California but are not savvy when it comes to water.
allegorical oracle
(2,357 posts)water directly to my house's water line. Haven't needed a holding tank. My water comes from an underground aquifer that is recharged by rainfall. Thx for the education.
roamer65
(36,750 posts)Am I right?
I read severe cuts are coming for anyone using water from the Colorado River aquifer.
Coventina
(27,268 posts)orthoclad
(2,910 posts)Wannabe anarchists who want police protection and govt services.
womanofthehills
(8,887 posts)People moving from cities to big houses in the desert - people who never thought about where their water was coming from. We have a big gated community south of us - probably half Dems and half Republicans.
orthoclad
(2,910 posts)sounds mainly liberto of the money kind, from the description in the article. There's something inherently libertarian about thinking that money trumps nature.
But yes, many people just don't think of the basics (and real estate agents discourage thinking). The water cistern should be a dead giveaway, tho. I have a place in a waterless holler, dry holes, cisterns at homes, rain barrels: experience, but at least it rains there.
First thing i thought when I saw S. Cali: this is a desert. What's with all the lawns? You call THIS a forest? It's frightening how many million people are totally dependent on major far-off-site water engineering.
ah, bear with me, I'm a water geek.
Hotler
(11,562 posts)EX500rider
(10,917 posts)That and Black mountain.
I used to live up in the Tonto Hills on the road to Bartlett Lake.
I also lived on a horse ranch I believe it was called the Lazy B, it was on the southwest corner of Carefree highway and North cave Creek road, that was back in the mid-80s looking on Google street view now it appears to be all Walmarts and strip stores.
StarryNite
(9,526 posts)soldierant
(7,110 posts)Apparently irony lives.
Traildogbob
(9,020 posts)Isnt that where Kari Lake would have fixed that problem as Governor? Still possible she could be appointed and get this all fixed, right?
Abolishinist
(1,376 posts)not fooled
(5,821 posts)It's Chinatown, except with goobers.
Packing to move this spring; can't take the dumb anymore.
kairos12
(13,060 posts)Abolishinist
(1,376 posts)so I did a bit of googling and came up with this...
https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-from-the-southwest/the-water-wars-come-to-the-suburbs
Is this the locale you're referring to?
erronis
(15,713 posts)I used to work in Deer Valley and hike in Tonto, Superstitions. Totally overgrown and deadly.
Coventina
(27,268 posts)SunSeeker
(52,052 posts)Abolishinist
(1,376 posts)I mean, this comment kinda sorta says it all...
I am so sorry for your, well, trouble, but it has nothing to do with us, one neighbor replied to an accusation. The pool is to swim the horses.
Talk about being removed from reality!
BlueWaveNeverEnd
(8,400 posts)SergeStorms
(19,216 posts)according to the article. They're selling 1,800 sq.ft. homes for $600,000 with no guarantee of water! These people don't believe the county government would let them go without water and will do something to rectify the situation.
Fools and their money.......
womanofthehills
(8,887 posts)Its a state problem too. Laws are needed to stop new construction where there is little or no water.
The area where I live in the NM high desert only allows one home and guest home on 40 acres to conserve water. Luckily, we all have great wells with good water. Some people in the article drilled 900 feet to no water.
I got great water at 160 feet.
There is water for sale in the nearest town - people come and fill up water holding tanks.
BlueWaveNeverEnd
(8,400 posts)BumRushDaShow
(131,252 posts)https://ktar.com/story/5220879/maricopa-county-officials-vote-against-rio-verde-foothills-water-tax-district/
I would not be surprised if the haulers end up sneaking water out of fire hydrants from nearby cities to use. It's apparently been a big problem in places like California.
SergeStorms
(19,216 posts)You can count on it (figuratively, not you personally, BumRushDaShow).
Water is the most valuable resource in the area, and people have gone to war for far less.
BumRushDaShow
(131,252 posts)have no idea how dire it is out west. I remember going to Colorado for a couple week work training session almost 40 years ago and discovering the state had "water rights" and that something as benign and "environmentally friendly" as capturing rain water (including in rain barrels) was illegal because that was diverting it from the ground.
I just know that those of us on the east coast were and still are perennially insulted and tarred and feathered as being "the Rust Belt", thanks to a decades-long massive P.R. push for people to "leave the east and go west and south" - and particularly to places that could not support that mass population migration in terms of water availability. There is a reason why a place is called a "desert". It's not just a cutesy term describing a different kind of living experience.
SergeStorms
(19,216 posts)We live on the shores of Lake Ontario, and around a campfire one night the discussion came up about jobs/people leaving New York for warmer climates. I told everyone that they'll all come back someday because of one thing: Water.
It didn't take a genius to see that coming (after all, I saw the writing on the wall, right?) and often told my daughter when she was young, that water would become more precious than gold one day. I tried to steer her toward a college degree in hydrological science, but she had to go get a degree in social sciences, working for a non-profit agency helping low income people find housing, medical services, jobs etc. I couldn't be more proud of the person she's become. 😊
The desert southwest, as beautiful and peaceful as it is, can only support so many people and animals, and we pushed well past that number decades ago. Greedy developers keep bullshitting people, selling the old-west from the turn of the 20th century, but with 21st century problems no one wants to admit to.
There's no easy answer. There might not be an answer at all. Take care, BumRushDaShow.
markodochartaigh
(1,255 posts)Tom Selleck had to pay fines when he was caught getting water from fire hydrants to water his avocado orchard. Apparently he is more libertarian leaning than maga leaning from what you read online.
republianmushroom
(14,423 posts)getting water from Scottsdale.
Coventina
(27,268 posts)republianmushroom
(14,423 posts)water there for years.
StarryNite
(9,526 posts)There are a lot of innocent people living in that area. EPCOR the largest private water company in Arizona is working on providing water for the area but it will take 2-3 years to get it up and running. They need water in the interim. Scottsdale Mayor Ortega is refusing. There is way more to this story.
Coventina
(27,268 posts)They did fuck all about it.
Too bad.
womanofthehills
(8,887 posts)Maybe you should be mad with the sleazy politicians who let their contractor buddies build subdivisions where there is little water. Nothing is black
& white!
SergeStorms
(19,216 posts)Scottsdale will not continue to supply water on a humanitarian or any other basis. They're either going to have to find another supply, or literally dry up and blow away.
StarryNite
(9,526 posts)SergeStorms
(19,216 posts)Caveat emptor seems to be one of the few building laws they abide by. People are buying houses in these wildcat developments with the understanding that they have no legal water rights.
What the hell are these people thinking of?
"Let's go retire in a 🏜 desert where there's no water. We'll be fine."
StarryNite
(9,526 posts)The builders and realtors certainly arent telling them. New homes on hauled water are still going up. I know a woman whose family bought there just a few years ago. They chose a home on hauled water because people have been hauling water there without issue for decades. They were concerned a well could go dry.
Coventina
(27,268 posts)You have to contract with the trucking company on the amount and deliveries. You often have partnerships with other residents about scheduling, payment, etc. because most deliveries involve more than one household.
This all has to be done by the homeowner in this situation. They have no way of being ignorant of what has been discussed for more than 10 years.
SergeStorms
(19,216 posts)if people are doing enough research into the future cost and availability of hauled water. They might ask around about present costs and think it's doable, but 5-10 years from now when they're paying triple (or more) the cost - if it's at all available - might be a different story.
My opinion only, but people aren't awfully bright moving to the desert southwest, especially with climate change (something they probably don't believe) changing the whole picture.
Coventina
(27,268 posts)afford to relocate.
My family has been here since 1911, and that's long enough.
I want to leave so bad!!!!
BumRushDaShow
(131,252 posts)As a longtime gardener who had been looking at trying some bougainvillea in pots and reading about the landscaping and environment in AZ as that is a popular plant grown there, I discovered that many there have to deal with these -
This is the kind of stuff they don't tell (out-of-state) people about!!!!
(and they're not like a regular "pest" that can be sprayed away)
Kali
(55,074 posts)BumRushDaShow
(131,252 posts)StarryNite
(9,526 posts)in that area. I know some who still do. They would never have moved there had they known what was was coming up. I also know a horse rancher who inherited the ranch from his parents who lived there for decades. You have to realize things change. When it comes to water issues here in Arizona things are changing at a much faster pace than ever.
Too many people. Too many straws in the aquifer during a drought.
Coventina
(27,268 posts)It's beautiful.
However this water issue has bee discussed constantly, because my hub's friend is one that has never had any other source than the trucked water.
All the thirsty chickens are coming home to roost.
The first thing Hobbs needs to do as Gov. is shut down the Saudi water giveaway.
Bettie
(16,199 posts)I wonder how they are going to have enough water for that chip plant. Seems short sighted to put it in a state where there is a very real water crisis.
StarryNite
(9,526 posts)The people I know who just moved out of the area in August could stand in their front yard and see Four Peaks, Weaver's Needle, and the Superstitions. They had an amazing view. However, neither they nor their other neighbors on the shared 5 house well knew of the water issue that was brewing until Nov 2021. There are a lot of good people out there that had no idea and certainly don't deserve to lose their water source. I worry about what might happen to all of the horses and other livestock too.
Yes, Hobbs needs to get on that. She said she would tackle the water issues, I hope she does.
Coventina
(27,268 posts)My husband's friend has been talking about it since they became friends over 20 years ago.
The friend is not a MAGAt either. He went there because he's a total gear head and wanted to have a property that he could work on cars in various states of repair, build structures for working on cars, and not be bothered by such things as codes and permits. He can rev an engine at 2 am and no one is around to complain about it.
Anyway, back to the water issue.....like I said, this guy has been aware of it, but has taken no action. Just talked and worried about it for 20+ years.
His current "plan" is to take water from his place of work in his van each day.
hunter
(38,422 posts)... the only water you need at home is for drinking, cooking, and hand washing.
I've lived like that.
Forty years ago, when I was single...
Coventina
(27,268 posts)No more sucking off other people who are actually paying for the services.
questionseverything
(9,687 posts)If the city isnt changing enough, how is that anyones fault but the city?
Coventina
(27,268 posts)If I'm understanding the legalities correctly.
As a utility, they have to charge every customer the same.
It works well when the system is supported by the taxpayers of the city being served.
However, this other community was not paying ANY taxes and getting the same water.
All they paid in addition was the transport costs.
That's what my understanding is from the articles I've read and people I've spoken with.
Lasher
(27,774 posts)Right?
Coventina
(27,268 posts)questionseverything
(9,687 posts)SunSeeker
(52,052 posts)Last edited Wed Dec 28, 2022, 12:21 AM - Edit history (1)
Kinda like here in CA, where we spend millions adding sand to the beach to protect rich people's beach front mansions, but not a dime for homes with holes in the roof in the barrio.
Do you really think Scottsdale will give them water for their pools where they "swim the horses"?
soldierant
(7,110 posts)then they can (and should) require the area to be annexed by the city. (assuming the city will have them)
grantcart
(53,061 posts)a significant tax assessment first.
rubbersole
(6,841 posts)Taint free...
Raine1967
(11,590 posts)TIFWIW:
Abolishinist
(1,376 posts)The person in charge of Arizona's water resources seems adamant about not allowing any way around this, and based on what little I know about this I tend to agree with him. Although, and I live in California, I do have a problem with the amount of water given first and foremost to the so-called "farmers", which I believe is in excess of 70-80% of the total.
Chinatown part deux.
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)Farming in the west is NOT sustainable. It will have to stop.
There is enough water for people but not farming.
Lettuce is 95% water. Then we put it in trucks and ship it to the east. Contrary to what the farmer in this piece says we can grow lettuce in the east. Up and down the entire east coast we can grow lettuce. We do not have to grow lettuce in Minnesota. I live in eastern Pa and I have water within ten feet of the top of my well year around. This time of year the aquifer is popping out of the ground all over my property. There are farms all over my community that are no longer being farmed. However with 52,000 farms and 7.3 million acres of farmland, agriculture is a big business in Pennsylvania.
In California only 15% of the land is farmland. 25% in Pa.
Almonds use 1-3 gallons of water PER almond! That is a crazy waste of water when you don't have enough water for people. Bulldoze the almond trees and plant them somewhere else.
I got a can of dehydrated water for Christmas. Maybe the west could use some of that. Every drop of water on this earth has already been through a dinosaurs bladder. We have the same amount of water we always had. The same amount as when the earth was formed.
You still can't convince people that climate change is real!!!
hunter
(38,422 posts)But that's a sacred industry in the U.S.A., "for the children," or something, even though it's not all great for the kids, and certainly not the cows, not here or in Saudi Arabia, where some of this Arizona cow food is exported to.
If we are looking for something to bulldoze, I'd start with the lower density suburbs, big box stores, parking lots, freeways, all of it. But that's just me. The people with the smallest environmental footprints generally live in cities and don't own cars.
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)Total price fixing. Food production in America is mostly socialism.
I don't have any problem with socialism it is just that the right always screams about the freedom loving farmers.
Ray Bruns
(4,167 posts)The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)Ray Bruns
(4,167 posts)Behind the cash register
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)ChazII
(6,214 posts)This helps explain the situation to our fellow DUers.
Strelnikov_
(7,772 posts)First I had heard of that. Need to do some reading RE
róisín_dubh
(11,808 posts)The adults can get f*cked for all I care.
panader0
(25,816 posts)ago with my kid's science fair. In the center of town is a giant fountain, spraying over
100 ft high ever 15 minutes. The little lake is surrounded by expensive cafes with dozens
of Mercedes and higher cars. In the fuckin' desert. I spent a small fortune on my three kids
lunch.
https://www.experiencefountainhills.org/p/fountain/fountain-runtimes
PS--Lake Mead is at it's lowest ever level. Farmers and ranchers are seeing water rations.
Joinfortmill
(14,699 posts)halfulglas
(1,654 posts)These smart, fairly well off home buyers for the sake of not being in a taxing district are gambling that their city neighbors won't let them go without any water. Well, wait until the city's share of the Colorado River water is less and less and less. You bet they're going to cut them off when it comes to not enough water for them, the people supporting the water treatment plants through their taxes. They are certainly not eager to share the Colorado River water to fill their swimming pools. Many of them already resent the allotment to the tribes who were there originally and know how not to waste water.
The Southwest is spectacular but it was never meant to support this many people AND grow the amount of agriculture that they do. While visiting my brother in Pheonix in the late 1980s I marveled even then the modest subdevelopment he was living in had little natural desert vegetation, almost everybody had plantings in their yards that were not native to the area and required watering. There was a large industrial farm just next to the subdevelopment with those mechanized waterers several times a day with subsequent visible loss of some of the water to evaporation. You could see some erosion of soil near some of the streets caused by nothing to hold the water and the soil together when the rains did come. This was 30 years ago and the boom has increased.
Trouble ahead. Horses drink a lot of water.
StarryNite
(9,526 posts)SergeStorms
(19,216 posts)StarryNite
(9,526 posts)Now the new chip plant. It should be built in another state.
SergeStorms
(19,216 posts)Of course Lake Ontario, Owasco Lake and other Finger Lakes are within a few miles of the plant they're building here. New York has more fresh water than we'll ever to be able to use.
Feast or famine as far as water goes I guess. It must have been a purely political move building a chip plant in Arizona (but what isn't political these days).
Coventina
(27,268 posts)I feel very sincere worry for those hapless horses.
They didn't choose this.
StarryNite
(9,526 posts)For one thing there are a lot of homes out there with wells. With the drought some of the wells are now underproducing so hauled water is becoming necessary to supplement when it hadn't been in the past.
The other big issue are the "wildcat" subdivisions. They allow for builders/developers to build up to 5 homes in a subdivision without having to guarantee water for 100 years. The builders/developers often sell homes with wells or shared wells. They also sell homes as hauled water homes. They are not informing buyers of what's going on with the water situation. The buyers are being told the home is a hauled water home but not being told Scottsdale is turning off the water on the 1st. The wildcat subdivisions are still being built. Maricopa County is still issuing building permits because due to state laws they cannot refuse permits to builders due to lack of water. The state has created a big part of this problem and it's not just in this particular area.
I know a family who moved from that area in August. They were on a producing shared well with 4 other homes. During the time they were there nothing was ever said about Scottsdale wanting to annex the area. They would have been very happy being annexed. They didn't move there to avoid city taxes. They moved there because they wanted a little more land than what you get in a typical housing development. And it's a beautiful area and a great place to raise a family. So please don't make it appear that everybody out there moved there to avoid "big gubmint" because that's just not the case. By the way, this family moved for other reasons having nothing to do with the water situation.
Coventina
(27,268 posts)Glad they got out before they lost everything.
StarryNite
(9,526 posts)It just depends where the "straw" goes into the aquifer. They didn't move due to the water issue.
Kali
(55,074 posts)there are lots of places that have to haul water. it can actually make you MORE careful and less wasteful than somebody that has all they can demand super cheap from a tap.
womanofthehills
(8,887 posts)Huge gated community sub division south of me. Water is not good like the area I live in. Its gypsum water. To get around the laws of one house on 40 acres, they put the houses closer - on 20 acres but half the subdivision free space for all. So, they put 2 houses on one well.
Next come all the innocent NY and California transplants and they buy these expensive houses with no questions about the water.
Sogo
(5,061 posts)What will the county government do about the situation?
No one is not under "gubmint" authority....
Sogo
(5,061 posts)Takket
(21,853 posts)are they forbidding the trucking companies from filling up under new water restrictions?
Coventina
(27,268 posts)oldsoftie
(12,788 posts)My city supplies water to unincorporated areas & they dont pay city taxes. But they pay more for the water.
Coventina
(27,268 posts)Are you in AZ?
I believe AZ law forbids this.
That's my understanding from reading about this story.
oldsoftie
(12,788 posts)Every now and then someone will write a letter to the paper or post on the City FB page abut "its not fair that we pay more than city residents for the same water". And the City will respond that they will be glad to annex the area & lower the water rates.
Karma13612
(4,556 posts)Starting Billy Bob Thornton.
Its all about water rights, access to it, corruption, etc.
Actually, the entire 4 Seasons are just amazing. In each season, there are some VERY uncomfortable scenes and concepts that can make you cringe. But, they are really well done.
Only sorry it didnt last longer. Like access to water
..
markodochartaigh
(1,255 posts)sugar coat the truth tend to not last very long. "Incorporated" was a great series on the syfy channel which portrayed a future in which corporate capture of society had become complete. It only lasted for one season.
Karma13612
(4,556 posts)Thanks for info. Might need to try and find it.
markodochartaigh
(1,255 posts)it isn't that easy to find it listed.
https://m.imdb.com/title/tt4118466/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0
Karma13612
(4,556 posts)Ill check this out!
Liberal In Texas
(13,701 posts)I believe Billy Bob Thornton had to be talked into doing the last season.
Good TV.
Karma13612
(4,556 posts)Well, glad they succeeded in convincing him. It was excellent.
SouthernDem4ever
(6,618 posts)Karma13612
(4,556 posts)It was on a streaming service-cant recall which one. If you google it, Im sure it will give you the deets. Enjoy!
Emile
(23,854 posts)cstanleytech
(26,448 posts)a good idea
halfulglas
(1,654 posts)not a texan
(40 posts)How much is fire insurance if you have to truck water to put out a house fire. I know they would tap the water tank at the house but how fast can you pump that out to fight the fire? I am willing to bet that these people are not paying the true cost of their insurance. Hope they don't complain about other disaster prone areas. Also if they are not part of the city, who fights their fire, the county?
not fooled
(5,821 posts)up to a point--reduce water use among existing residents. Works for a while. Not really applicable to the Rio Verde situation but in general that's what's going on in e.g. Las Vegas--make the existing water go farther by charging more, getting rid of lawns, etc. Also, ag uses more water per acre than residential, so by converting farmland to houses less water is used.
I put "planners" in quotes because having seen the untalented lot that's approving paving over armpit town yuma (where I'm stuck for now) with a dingy, drab agglomeration of ugly, cheaply built houses and haphazardly located commercial properties, there isn't much higher-level thinking going into the "planning." Also, they are facilitating a smash-and-grab on the aquifer, which means those with wells eventually will be forced into expensive privatized water systems. I'm moving out--can't take the stupid anymore.
StarryNite
(9,526 posts)Mayor Ortega is the Grinch.
I just came across this...very interesting. Mayor Lane had no intention of cutting off the water.
Truth of the City of Scottsdale Meeting: (2018)
The City of Scottsdale has never threatened to cut off our water supply
The City of Scottsdale made improvements to the Pima/Jomax location to handle the increased traffic at that location. COS assesses a "use fee" at that location which was amortized over 100 years.
Mayor Lane stated he was familiar with the circumstances of New River and responded You are not New River, we have no plans or intentions of shutting you off.
Mayor Lane stated the city of Scottsdale will continue to be good neighbors to Rio Verde Foothills area and supply water to us as long as the City of Scottsdale has the water supply (they are currently only using 60% of their current allocation).
The current process with the haulers is working, i.e., the haulers charge a price acceptable to customers at this time. Any change to this arrangement will raise the cost to customers, as another layer will be added to the cost.
[link:https://sites.google.com/site/waterfactsrioverdearizona/|
Coventina
(27,268 posts)He was term limited out of office, thank goodness.
Ortega is a Democrat, and I voted for him enthusiastically and support him 100%
Ray Bruns
(4,167 posts)will make the decision for them.
Racygrandma
(109 posts)because our well water was polluted. So the city laid water lines and I got a water meter for christmas from my mother. I was glad to get city water. I am happy to pay the water bill. Here it is never very high. My daughter in florida has a high water bill. But that ground water does get polluted from industry and farming chemicals.
SWBTATTReg
(22,460 posts)let those who get water w/o paying their fair share? Not fair, and if I were a tax paying citizen/water paying citizen, I would be livid and mad at those allowing others to skirt by. In STLMO, we do have a water sharing situation, since the city does have the infrastructure to treat and deliver water (we're very lucky) and the surrounding cities that use our city water do pay for it.
My best to all of those in the West, water has been and always will be a big issue.
Evolve Dammit
(16,983 posts)sarisataka
(19,218 posts)Scottsdale itself may be looking for additional water in a year or two
ripcord
(5,553 posts)Proving once again that Native Americans are better people. If we are going to attack people who built without an adequate water supply you should make sure to include the idiots in Los Angeles and other coastal cities in California for their irresponsibility.
Abolishinist
(1,376 posts)80% of our water goes to agri-business for growing water-intensive crops like almonds and alfalfa.
We produce 80% of the world's supply of almonds, 70% of which are exported. By my calculation, even allowing one gallon of water per almond, which seems to be on the low side, we are 'shipping' enough water out of the country to supply 7.5 million households. If nothing else, we need a higher export tax on almonds to be aside for other means of producing water. In Carlsbad, we have a desalination plant that provides San Diego with 50 million gallons per day, enough for 10% of our population.
Saudi Arabia has a law that prohibits the growth of alfalfa because of the lack of water. Thats no problem for a Saudi company that gained access to water rights in California. It exports alfalfa grown here back to Saudi Arabia to support its mega-dairies. Saudi Arabia also imports hay from drought-stricken New Mexico for the same purpose. This should not be possible, but no action has been taken to stop it.
ripcord
(5,553 posts)It isn't their water, they have over-developed far beyond what anyone with any common sense would allow. They don't deserve water from anyplace else, they need to get by on the Colorado River and what they steal from the Owen's Valley.