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Cyrano

(15,115 posts)
Tue Dec 27, 2022, 01:53 PM Dec 2022

Ten days from now is Jan. 6th, 2023. Two years and the coup plotters are still free

Yeah, I know that many are thinking that this is just another post berating the DOJ and Merrick Garland.

Actually, this is a post about the virtually total injustice embedded in the American "justice system."

A black man found with a small amount of "forbidden drugs" may go to prison for decades. A successful white man caught with an ounce of coke is more than likely to get a slap on the wrist.

A homeless person shoplifting some food may face serious prison time. A scam artist stealing people's life savings often has a lawyer that will get him off easy.

A person visiting the National Archives and trying to break the glass housing historic documents, will be facing jail time. And ex president who stole unknown amounts of highly classified government documents, is living in a castle and playing golf anytime and anywhere he wants to.

No one can tell me that our justice system is not unbalanced, unfair and totally broken. It seems that justice is blind to inequities.

Anytime I hear someone say, "America is the greatest country in the world," I turn away in disgust.

Most intelligent people know that real "Justice" doesn't exist in America. And nothing is being done to bring it into being.

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Ten days from now is Jan. 6th, 2023. Two years and the coup plotters are still free (Original Post) Cyrano Dec 2022 OP
I forget who said, "never steal anything small" Walleye Dec 2022 #1
Wasn't that a movie ggma Dec 2022 #20
That was it exactly. And it's still true Walleye Dec 2022 #22
I Agree With All That You Said SoCalDavidS Dec 2022 #2
American justice is shit. Goodheart Dec 2022 #3
I hear you Joinfortmill Dec 2022 #4
We are guaranteed another physical assault on the government SledDriver Dec 2022 #5
Why I am worried about Arizona The Grand Illuminist Dec 2022 #7
I doubt the proud boys or oath keepers will be coming to help Kari. emulatorloo Dec 2022 #10
Don't underestimate them. The Grand Illuminist Dec 2022 #29
America's fascists have learned from their mistakes Cyrano Dec 2022 #8
3 more years, the ones still walking the streets will be statute out. The Grand Illuminist Dec 2022 #6
Took 3 years to investigate Watergate, and that was a lot simpler than this. emulatorloo Dec 2022 #9
No, Watergate did not take 3 years to investigate. former9thward Dec 2022 #27
I remember that so well. I laugh everyvtime I see someone comparing DOJ actions Autumn Dec 2022 #30
Sorry to have to say I agree with you entirely judesedit Dec 2022 #11
Yes they are. Justice is just a word to appease the masses. republianmushroom Dec 2022 #12
The words 'fair' and 'justice' are not very consistent in this country of ours. NoMoreRepugs Dec 2022 #13
It's just really hard to find the will to lock up pampered white men. /eom onecaliberal Dec 2022 #14
Have the investigations ended? I did not hear about that. fightforfreedom Dec 2022 #15
For balance see: the espionage case of Joshua Schulte Fiendish Thingy Dec 2022 #16
Thx for the reminder...yes, justice is coming despite the fact that most here don't think so PortTack Dec 2022 #19
And what about the people who built and planted the pipebombs???? LymphocyteLover Dec 2022 #17
From the images I saw.... AZ8theist Dec 2022 #21
But it seems like the FBI can do serious forensics on the actual bombs LymphocyteLover Dec 2022 #28
That was in the past. Much more sophisticated now. Autumn Dec 2022 #31
The U.S. judicial system, at all levels, dobleremolque Dec 2022 #18
Just like the 2008 financial collapse, none of the investment firm banksters ever served a day. Evolve Dammit Dec 2022 #23
Justice in the US has long had some hidden phrases. Lonestarblue Dec 2022 #24
I am surprised the right has not started building statues. The Jungle 1 Dec 2022 #25
Interesting that no one mentioned "The Rule of Law" & "No one is above the law" Escurumbele Dec 2022 #26
It isn't Bettie Dec 2022 #32

ggma

(709 posts)
20. Wasn't that a movie
Tue Dec 27, 2022, 04:01 PM
Dec 2022

with James Cagney? I remember seeing it as a kid. The message was you could get away with it if it was bigger than what most people were used to dealing with.

gg

Walleye

(31,463 posts)
22. That was it exactly. And it's still true
Tue Dec 27, 2022, 04:08 PM
Dec 2022

I think that also goes for lying. Never tell a small lie

SoCalDavidS

(9,999 posts)
2. I Agree With All That You Said
Tue Dec 27, 2022, 01:58 PM
Dec 2022

The idea that America is this country viewed as Great around the world, is pure folly. We live in a bubble, and others see us for what we truly are. Be that our "justice" system, our new abortion fiasco, or our inability to do shit about gun violence.

SledDriver

(2,062 posts)
5. We are guaranteed another physical assault on the government
Tue Dec 27, 2022, 02:05 PM
Dec 2022

now that it’s clear there were no consequences for the first one.


emulatorloo

(44,382 posts)
10. I doubt the proud boys or oath keepers will be coming to help Kari.
Tue Dec 27, 2022, 02:47 PM
Dec 2022

They have a lot on their plate right now,

Cyrano

(15,115 posts)
8. America's fascists have learned from their mistakes
Tue Dec 27, 2022, 02:14 PM
Dec 2022

The next coup has a very good chance of succeeding.

The January 6th Committee did a magnificent job. At this moment, the future of our country is in the hands of a few people at the Dept. of Justice. Will they conclude that an ex president should not go to prison? Or will they actually decide that "No one is above the law."

The choices they make will decide the fate of American democracy.

emulatorloo

(44,382 posts)
9. Took 3 years to investigate Watergate, and that was a lot simpler than this.
Tue Dec 27, 2022, 02:44 PM
Dec 2022

That being said said I think we’ll hear something from Jack Smith/Garland sooner rather than later.

former9thward

(32,379 posts)
27. No, Watergate did not take 3 years to investigate.
Tue Dec 27, 2022, 05:40 PM
Dec 2022

The burglary took place in June, 1972. The burglars were indicted in Sept. 1972 and convicted in Jan. 1973. The White House coverup began in earnest in March, 1973. Nixon's top people were indicted in March, 1973 and were convicted in Jan 1974.

More to the point. Watergate was much more complicated that Jan 6. Watergate did not have videos, emails or text messages as evidence. More importantly the DOJ was in the hands of the same party as the people and president being investigated. They were investigating their bosses. That is not the case here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watergate_scandal

Autumn

(45,147 posts)
30. I remember that so well. I laugh everyvtime I see someone comparing DOJ actions
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 08:33 PM
Dec 2022

on Watergate to the Trump actions. Trump and his people have bragged about their actions on TV.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,846 posts)
16. For balance see: the espionage case of Joshua Schulte
Tue Dec 27, 2022, 03:27 PM
Dec 2022

Stolen top secret documents that were released to the public on the internet;

Took three years to indict, two years to convict (this past summer). Currently awaiting sentencing.

LymphocyteLover

(5,756 posts)
17. And what about the people who built and planted the pipebombs????
Tue Dec 27, 2022, 03:29 PM
Dec 2022

So maddening they haven't been dragged into court yet

AZ8theist

(5,673 posts)
21. From the images I saw....
Tue Dec 27, 2022, 04:02 PM
Dec 2022

It was impossible to identify them. It will take an acquaintance dropping a dime on the perp in order to obtain an arrest.
Even then a conviction will be nearly impossible.

LymphocyteLover

(5,756 posts)
28. But it seems like the FBI can do serious forensics on the actual bombs
Wed Dec 28, 2022, 02:23 PM
Dec 2022

I thought they were good at tracking down these things from the smallest clues....

dobleremolque

(513 posts)
18. The U.S. judicial system, at all levels,
Tue Dec 27, 2022, 03:39 PM
Dec 2022

focuses on error-free administration of the statutes and rules of procedure. Occasionally, that results in "justice." But with increasing frequency, justice is not the product of the U.S. courts.

Evolve Dammit

(17,091 posts)
23. Just like the 2008 financial collapse, none of the investment firm banksters ever served a day.
Tue Dec 27, 2022, 04:19 PM
Dec 2022

A two year old coup and nobody who planned it indicted. I share your frustration and concern.

Lonestarblue

(10,503 posts)
24. Justice in the US has long had some hidden phrases.
Tue Dec 27, 2022, 04:28 PM
Dec 2022

For example, the justice system in the US works (for white people). Or, the justice system in the US is fantastic (for very rich people).

One of the things that bothers me is that many judges and district attorneys are elected, and DAs especially often pander to the voters by arresting and prosecuting people they know are not guilty. After the election, the person might be quietly let go or just sent to jail on flimsy evidence. When partisan politics, especially right-wing politics, takes over the administration of the law, real justice often gets left behind.

 

The Jungle 1

(4,552 posts)
25. I am surprised the right has not started building statues.
Tue Dec 27, 2022, 04:30 PM
Dec 2022

You know they want to celebrate their treason.

Escurumbele

(3,444 posts)
26. Interesting that no one mentioned "The Rule of Law" & "No one is above the law"
Tue Dec 27, 2022, 04:31 PM
Dec 2022

Which has been proven to be total bullshit, just two marketing phrases to sell the USA as having the greatest and more just legal system in the World.

Bettie

(16,234 posts)
32. It isn't
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 09:12 PM
Dec 2022

Being white, right wing, "Christian", and wealthy will insulate you from accountability for most everything.

Being male is also extremely helpful.

I thought everyone knew that. We're only a country of laws for the poor, for the rich, the law is only an issue if they screw over other rich white people.

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