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Biden calls Pooty Poot's bluff (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2022 OP
I think Putin is a little surprised by the iron resolve of our president Walleye Dec 2022 #1
Gotta love Mme. Defarge Dec 2022 #3
So far it seems he really has Putin's number Walleye Dec 2022 #6
I just hope DENVERPOPS Dec 2022 #29
That's all we can ever hope. I have clear memories of the Cuban missile crisis Walleye Dec 2022 #31
AND DENVERPOPS Dec 2022 #34
Dr. Strangelove one of my top 3 favorite movies. Walleye Dec 2022 #35
Plus the midterm results BeyondGeography Dec 2022 #8
Funny, reaction to that abortion decision may have actually saved democracy Walleye Dec 2022 #9
This Alice Kramden Dec 2022 #25
And their master plan of destroying U.S. democracy on 1-6-21 and installing Trump as Sky Jewels Dec 2022 #15
Neither did TFG's attempt to bog Biden down wnylib Dec 2022 #30
And in the West in general. paleotn Dec 2022 #18
"Dire consequences"? Aristus Dec 2022 #2
Putin will start using more Hypersonic weapons that he showed off early in the war, ... aggiesal Dec 2022 #23
Good. Let's get a real good close look at them and their capabilities Effete Snob Dec 2022 #26
Russia is not testing, they have working hypersonic weapons ... aggiesal Dec 2022 #28
Gonna get your puppets to do a dance, Vlad? gratuitous Dec 2022 #4
+1 orangecrush Dec 2022 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2022 #22
He could launch nukes tomorrow but we can't cower under that threat Buckeyeblue Dec 2022 #5
Exactly. kairos12 Dec 2022 #7
They Have No Idea... ProfessorGAC Dec 2022 #10
Russian bad actors Danascot Dec 2022 #32
I agree. After seeing how poorly their military equipment has held up the last 10 months Buckeyeblue Dec 2022 #33
Patriot missles are defensive measures. NCDem47 Dec 2022 #11
My thoughts exactly Ohioboy Dec 2022 #21
FO Genocidal Maniac.. Thank Goodness Cha Dec 2022 #12
poot... sprinkleeninow Dec 2022 #13
Putin is right edhopper Dec 2022 #14
+1 orangecrush Dec 2022 #17
Don't rattle the nuclear saber, Vlad. We've got one too. paleotn Dec 2022 #19
And we know ours work edhopper Dec 2022 #20
Their guidance systems suck Warpy Dec 2022 #24
Better think about your power plants Vlad. lpbk2713 Dec 2022 #27

DENVERPOPS

(8,900 posts)
29. I just hope
Thu Dec 22, 2022, 07:58 PM
Dec 2022

That Putin, Our intelligence community, and our military know what they are doing............

DENVERPOPS

(8,900 posts)
34. AND
Fri Dec 23, 2022, 12:09 PM
Dec 2022

we didn't know, until fairly recently, just how close it came during the Cuban Missle Crisis, with that ONE russian sub officer refusing to launch when the other two officers wanted to let fly with their sub mounted nukes......


I don't think any of the young people have ever watched some of the famous movies from long ago. Dr Strangelove and how I learned to love the bomb?, Fail safe?, what other ones were there????????

Walleye

(31,161 posts)
35. Dr. Strangelove one of my top 3 favorite movies.
Fri Dec 23, 2022, 01:40 PM
Dec 2022

I read Fail Safe in Jr HS and Seven Days in May. I lived 5miles from a major East Coast Air Force base. Everyone was scared. I remember ambassador Stevenson at the UN saying he was prepared to wait until hell freezes over. So thankfully we got out of that as you said coming closer than we ever knew.

Sky Jewels

(7,203 posts)
15. And their master plan of destroying U.S. democracy on 1-6-21 and installing Trump as
Thu Dec 22, 2022, 06:40 PM
Dec 2022

dictator for life so he could hand Ukraine over to Putie didn't go so well either.

wnylib

(21,804 posts)
30. Neither did TFG's attempt to bog Biden down
Thu Dec 22, 2022, 08:26 PM
Dec 2022

with war in Afghanistan. Trump turned the country over to the Taliban, making it necessary to either pull out or to fight the war all over again.

If the US had been bogged down in Afghanistan, we would not have been able or willing to support Ukraine.

paleotn

(18,015 posts)
18. And in the West in general.
Thu Dec 22, 2022, 06:51 PM
Dec 2022

We and our NATO allies sometimes can't agree on the color of shit. Not this time.

Aristus

(66,530 posts)
2. "Dire consequences"?
Thu Dec 22, 2022, 05:10 PM
Dec 2022

What? Is he going to sic the Russian tank corps on us?

Worst that could happen is that we get glare-blindness from all the Russian tanks brewing up...

aggiesal

(8,963 posts)
23. Putin will start using more Hypersonic weapons that he showed off early in the war, ...
Thu Dec 22, 2022, 07:22 PM
Dec 2022

if he still has any, but Russia has only fired 3.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-says-it-has-deployed-kinzhal-hypersonic-missile-three-times-ukraine-2022-08-21/

A Russian MiG-31 fighter jet equipped with a Kinzhal hypersonic missile flies over Red Square during a rehearsal for a flypast, part of a military parade marking the anniversary of the victory over Nazi Germany in World War Two, in central Moscow, Russia May 7, 2022. REUTERS/Maxim Shemetov

If Russia has run out, China has some as well, but they
haven't shown a willingness to sell any Hypersonic weapons to Russia.

The Patriot Defense Missile can not shoot down hypersonic missiles
and the US still does not have any hypersonic missiles.

US plans to use first hypersonic deployment, track for 2023.
https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2022-11/news/first-us-hypersonic-deployment-track-2023


This artist's graphic from Lockheed Martin shows a launch of the U.S. OpFires hypersonic missile from a 10×10 wheeled truck. (Graphic by Lockheed Martin)
 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
26. Good. Let's get a real good close look at them and their capabilities
Thu Dec 22, 2022, 07:44 PM
Dec 2022

By all means, if they want to test out a new weapon and expose its flaws, this is as good a time as any.

aggiesal

(8,963 posts)
28. Russia is not testing, they have working hypersonic weapons ...
Thu Dec 22, 2022, 07:55 PM
Dec 2022
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-says-it-has-deployed-kinzhal-hypersonic-missile-three-times-ukraine-2022-08-21/

A Russian MiG-31 fighter jet equipped with a Kinzhal hypersonic missile flies over Red Square during a rehearsal for a flypast, part of a military parade marking the anniversary of the victory over Nazi Germany in World War Two, in central Moscow, Russia May 7, 2022. REUTERS/Maxim Shemetov

Response to gratuitous (Reply #4)

ProfessorGAC

(65,456 posts)
10. They Have No Idea...
Thu Dec 22, 2022, 06:16 PM
Dec 2022

...how many of their nukes even work.
Which ones will launch, which will go the wrong way, which warheads have proper compression design to detonate, etc. Also, how many of their MIRV warheads are actually empty. They've always lied upon their defense numbers.
What they do know is the NATO tactical weapons do work.
I think he'd be "accidented" before other high officials let him launch nukes.

Danascot

(4,699 posts)
32. Russian bad actors
Thu Dec 22, 2022, 09:32 PM
Dec 2022

have been selling nuclear material out of their warheads for years. Those missiles could well be empty by now.

Buckeyeblue

(5,505 posts)
33. I agree. After seeing how poorly their military equipment has held up the last 10 months
Fri Dec 23, 2022, 08:22 AM
Dec 2022

It makes me wonder if their nuclear strength is overblown. With Putin and friends grifting Russia for the last 25 years, there hasn't been the money to even maintain their military and defense.

If Ukraine was in a position to be more aggressive, I think Russia would have a difficult time stopping an invasion.

NCDem47

(2,257 posts)
11. Patriot missles are defensive measures.
Thu Dec 22, 2022, 06:20 PM
Dec 2022

Don’t want Ukraine to use them Russia? Don’t fire missles into Ukraine.

Warpy

(111,476 posts)
24. Their guidance systems suck
Thu Dec 22, 2022, 07:25 PM
Dec 2022

and their nuclear arsenal has been maintained exactly as well as the rest of their military. The last guesstimeate I read is that they've got less than 30% readiness.

However, that 30% can still inflict serious damage and the other 70% will do damage even if they just hit without detonating, those things are heavy as hell and would flatten buildings in the inner part of any city.

Still, my main nuclear nightmare is that they'd miss by tens of miles and I'd have to live through it.

Otherwise, I'd get it within the first hour, so no worries,

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