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Cyrano

(15,111 posts)
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 10:50 AM Dec 2022

The U.S. military can no longer require Covid vaccines

Thanks to the Republicans, any member of the military can opt out of getting a Covid shot. This is madness.

Everyone in the military gets more than a dozen shots when they first enlist, and many annual boosters. And they get these shots whether they want them or not. The reason is because we can't have a military rendered inoperable due to malaria, measles, diphtheria, and so many other ailments and diseases they can be exposed to at home and abroad.

But the fucking Republicans have brought their culture wars to bear on the United States' armed forces. They wouldn't allow a military funding bill to pass unless the requirement for a Covid shot was made optional as part of the bill.

Today's Republican Party is an ongoing threat to America. Given their acceptance of anti-vaxxers, Qanon insanity, neo-Nazi groups that go by various names, racism, antisemitism, and now their destruction of the Covid mandate for the military, they truly are Domestic Enemies who are an ongoing threat to America as we know it.

Here's an article on the military Covid mandate from Rachel Maddow's blog:

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/gop-scrapped-covid-vaccine-requirements-us-troops-rcna60959

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The U.S. military can no longer require Covid vaccines (Original Post) Cyrano Dec 2022 OP
Yet they are still required to get all the other vaccines, right? hlthe2b Dec 2022 #1
Ridiculous Republican Games unweird Dec 2022 #2
Well at least we're closer to the end then the beginning jimfields33 Dec 2022 #3
a google search barbtries Dec 2022 #5
That's down a lot. The stats are getting better. jimfields33 Dec 2022 #8
Well, If There Is Ever Another Outbreak SoCalDavidS Dec 2022 #10
I'm sure they can reevaluate as needed. jimfields33 Dec 2022 #15
They Just Passed A Law Saying It's Optional SoCalDavidS Dec 2022 #16
And vaccinate after the fact? ok_cpu Dec 2022 #17
About 300-400 per day. 125,000 per year. Lucky Luciano Dec 2022 #6
If anti-vaxxers are intent on committing suicide, let them. However, Cyrano Dec 2022 #9
Per NYTimes, update 7 Dec. 2022: 70sEraVet Dec 2022 #7
i hate republicans. nt barbtries Dec 2022 #4
And rethugs are trying to get ppl who were kicked out childfreebychoice Dec 2022 #11
Unfortunately, too many Republicans are bugshit insane Cyrano Dec 2022 #12
I am pretty sure this won't be a big deal maxrandb Dec 2022 #13
Yep, same with the army. Nothing is "optional." Cyrano Dec 2022 #14
Agree. Failure to get vaccinated could be a career killer for those who plan to stay in. scarletlib Dec 2022 #18
Whether enlisted, drafted, stateside or overseas, or whatever Cyrano Dec 2022 #19
Exactly. If you are no longer deployable, you won't make rank, career over. Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #20
This is deadly, dangerously stupid, so of course it is Republican. Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2022 #21
Downside: Contrary to good order and discipline. Aristus Dec 2022 #22

hlthe2b

(102,979 posts)
1. Yet they are still required to get all the other vaccines, right?
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 11:12 AM
Dec 2022

This is ludicrous and some of these a'hole non-scientific anti-vaxxers COVID-conspiracy theorists will have blood on their hands, including Americans these men and women were charged with protecting from global threats.

I have nothing but contempt for those who pushed this. I hope when they are really sick themselves their physician tells them that they will have to go with whatever is trending on the subject on twitter.

unweird

(2,624 posts)
2. Ridiculous Republican Games
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 11:13 AM
Dec 2022

This one can affect readiness and should be called out as such. But then they don’t care so there’s that.

jimfields33

(16,644 posts)
3. Well at least we're closer to the end then the beginning
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 11:17 AM
Dec 2022

Mandatory shots were appropriate at the beginning. We are finally reaching the end. How many deaths yesterday across the country from Covid? Any?

SoCalDavidS

(9,999 posts)
10. Well, If There Is Ever Another Outbreak
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 11:39 AM
Dec 2022

The military will have their FREEDOM to let it run rampant.

We are such a Fucked Up country.

SoCalDavidS

(9,999 posts)
16. They Just Passed A Law Saying It's Optional
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 02:19 PM
Dec 2022

Do you really think a repub controlled House is going to change that? Highly doubtful.

ok_cpu

(2,071 posts)
17. And vaccinate after the fact?
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 02:27 PM
Dec 2022

Assuming military vax rates match the general population, and waning protection at 6 months or so, within a few months +/- 30% of our military could be at risk for extended or severe illness from an airborne virus that seems to do pretty well in close quarters.

Seems like a bad risk at this moment in time. And it's 100% brought to us by the I Love the Military and 'Murca Culture Warriors. After all, we're not evaluating all vaccinations. Only the one the orange guy tried to get elected president on.

Lucky Luciano

(11,281 posts)
6. About 300-400 per day. 125,000 per year.
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 11:28 AM
Dec 2022

To be fair, many of them are antivaxxers or people who failed to maintain their booster regimen, so it is largely preventable at that scale.

Cyrano

(15,111 posts)
9. If anti-vaxxers are intent on committing suicide, let them. However,
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 11:36 AM
Dec 2022

they want to make that decision for others. Imagine if Republicans held the House, the Senate, and the presidency.

70sEraVet

(3,652 posts)
7. Per NYTimes, update 7 Dec. 2022:
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 11:32 AM
Dec 2022

"These increases have not yet extended as significantly to deaths. New deaths have changed little in the past two weeks and currently sit just below 350 per day."
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html

But a new variant, which has proven to always be right around the corner, may quickly change those statistics.

childfreebychoice

(476 posts)
11. And rethugs are trying to get ppl who were kicked out
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 11:50 AM
Dec 2022

Reinstated. Imagine being in sub/ barracks, with unvaxxed idiots

maxrandb

(15,543 posts)
13. I am pretty sure this won't be a big deal
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 01:36 PM
Dec 2022

In my almost 30 years in the Navy, there's were various "optional" things that somehow weren't "optional".

One way the Navy did this was with Sea Duty Screenings. You could opt not to do the stuff you needed to do to be declared "Fit for Sea Duty", but if you didn't, your career was over.

Same with Security Clearances. Up to you if you filled out the security questionaire SF-86, but failure to do so means your career is ever.

I might even consider this a positive thing, as it will make "force-shaping" that much easier. Get rid of these Dipshits.

Here is what passes as "optional" in the Navy:

Commanding Officer: "Hey, Seaman Smuckatelli, when you get a moment could you.......?"

Most sane Sailors understand there is not much optional in the above sample.

Cyrano

(15,111 posts)
14. Yep, same with the army. Nothing is "optional."
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 01:53 PM
Dec 2022

Last edited Sat Dec 10, 2022, 02:41 PM - Edit history (1)

Ended up getting drafted, and on my second day at Fort Dix, over a dozen people were injecting who-knows-what into everyone's arms. We probably ranged in age from 17 to early 20's, but we all understood that objections would be useless. And we all understood that this was being done to us for our own well being*. The world has gone around the sun many times since then, and it seems that today, there are many who don't, and never will, "get it."

*And everyone was asked beforehand if they had any allergies.

scarletlib

(3,429 posts)
18. Agree. Failure to get vaccinated could be a career killer for those who plan to stay in.
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 02:48 PM
Dec 2022

Any of the forces could refuse to deploy unvaccinated troops overseas because of health risk. I could be wrong but I believe careers are stymied if you only stay stateside.

Cyrano

(15,111 posts)
19. Whether enlisted, drafted, stateside or overseas, or whatever
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 03:09 PM
Dec 2022

Anyone, career military or not, who isn't allergic to a specific shot and who refuses it, is an idiot. They're refusing that shot for reasons that most of us can't grasp. Reasons such as, why would anyone vote for Trump, or Hershel Walker, or the motivations of so many of the other creatures that inhabit today's Republican Party. Some are doing it for profit, or a political edge. And some are doing it simple because they're morons.

Do you suppose that someday, someone will do a poll on how the "Moron Factor" shapes American (and world) politics.

Irish_Dem

(50,258 posts)
20. Exactly. If you are no longer deployable, you won't make rank, career over.
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 03:35 PM
Dec 2022

The military cannot let a few people destroy combat readiness and national security.

The US military has been fighting a-hole members of congress for a long time.

Aristus

(66,796 posts)
22. Downside: Contrary to good order and discipline.
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 06:53 PM
Dec 2022

Upside: This could result in a drastic but necessary reduction of right-wingers in the military.

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