I'm an Arizona Dem who has known Sinema for decades.

[Coventina]

My family actually has a long, difficult history with her.

I won't tell the full story, as it involves the most intimate details of other family member's lives.

Suffice it to say, she has been an agent of chaos and destruction in people's lives going back to her college years.

The weirdest part of it all, is that she was so hardcore liberal/progressive. She refused to use self-checkouts in grocery stores, even if not doing so would make her late to an event or appointment. To see her morph into this creature she's become is a complete betrayal of the values she used to expound constantly, to the point of refusing to be friends with people who didn't meet her standards.

Having said all that, I have always voted for her, for the "D" next to her name.

No more.

No "D"? No vote.

I hope she enjoys her money and notoriety.

She clearly cares nothing for the people who loved and trusted her and were betrayed by her along the way.

FUCK HER!!!!

[hlthe2b]

1. How does her family feel about her?

[Coventina]

2. That I don't know. I've never met them.

And she never discussed them in my presence.

My family members who were closest to her never mentioned them either.

I'll have to ask, I'm sure they would know.

[NotHardly]

42. The West Burough Baptist LGBQT hating

Fred Phelps was a civil rights lawyer before at some point before 1980 they turned into a hate group. Something happened ... one thing was, as I discovered having worked with the children of Phelps in state organizations, is that one or more of his children came out as gay.
It sent him over the edge and into hate. The escaped children fled to California... and the rest, as they say, is history.

I suspect some "event" or series of events tipped her over or has otherwise "shock event" she's been stewing over ... might want to see what 'lies beneath', so to speak. No one gets a bug up their arse without noticing it.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church

[Fiendish Thingy]

3. It will be my mission to support the election of a new and better Democrat to her seat in 2024

The 2024 senate map is brutal for Dems, who are projected to lose their majority by 4-6 seats. No chance of maintaining even the current slim majority.

Because of this, Dems MUST run a candidate in 2024. It’s worth the risk to ensure Sinema’s career, and her reign of chaos and obstruction, ends in 2024.

[asiliveandbreathe]

5. AZ LD25 here..fired up, ready to go..NOW!!!!

[Bettie]

9. We were projected to lose the senate this year

and the house by a huge margin.

So, fuck the polls and fight for every single seat.

[Lucky Luciano]

13. Not about polls. More about the number of Democrats up for reelection.

Very few thugs defending their seats in 24.

[Fiendish Thingy]

63. That's not true for the senate

The senate was always projected to be a toss up, and it was- not a single incumbent from either party was defeated, and Dems only added 1 net seat.

The 2024 map has far more senate Dems running for re-election than this year, and many are in swing states, or states that went for Trump in both 2016 and 2020 (WV, MT, OH for example).

Because of this, IMO Dems should run a scorched earth campaign with their best candidate to ensure Sinema’s career of chaos and obstruction ends in 2024.

[Bettie]

70. They should run such campaigns

everywhere. No soft words, no conciliation, just treat them with the scorn they deserve!

[Hermit-The-Prog]

107. I want a net gain in 2024. We can do it; our policies match the majority of the public's opinions.

[The Wizard]

110. Repubes have a propaganda operation

that would make Goebbels blush. They have brainwashed enough voters to ensure minority rule. Yes, Pox News is a Russian propaganda platform. Why else would Russian TV carry Tucker Carlson?

[Fiendish Thingy]

114. Gaining seats in 2024 will be difficult

Dems will be defending far more seats in 2024 than in 2022, and many seats will be in blood red states such as MT, OH, WV, and tight swing states such as NV, MI, AZ and PA.

Do you think Dems will keep ALL the above states, and flip some deep red seats as well to gain seats?

Which red states do you think Dems will flip in 2024?

[certainot]

21. fuck the projections. after what they let trump do gop shouldn't have had a chance this year and

soon will come the criminal repercussions.

the only reason half these GOP shits win is because dems ignore their most significant advantage - rw radio. all dems have to do is stop ignoring it and the country will go 10pts left

[NJCher]

71. ah, certainot

I have been looking for you around the threads. I have something about RW radio that I wanted to tell you about. You may already know this, but just in case: new book out on the topic and our local public radio, WNYC, did an interview with the author, who is an academic, I believe. I listened to part of the broadcast yesterday and intend to listen again today. I hope you listen and let us know what you think:

Here's the link:

https://www.wnyc.org/story/the-brian-lehrer-show-2022-12-08

Scroll down to "The Divided Dial: On the Media's Exploration of Far-Right Talk Radio." It's a 35 minute segment.

Ignoring this is one of the biggest strategy failures we have at present.

[True Blue American]

86. I have already been reading about

Democrats are opening up radio stations all over the country.

Als they were discussing a Democrat to primary Sinema early this year. I think she just messed her nest. Democrats do not like her.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/26/democratic-donors-plot-primary-challenge-against-kyrsten-sinema.html

[okojo]

103. I don't think the map is that bad for Democrats...

Basically it is 3-4 seats that are vulnerable, (WV, MT, OH, and possibly AZ)

IN is an open seat, which may not be great for the GOP..

Jon Tester has always done pretty well in MT, Ditto for Sherrod Brown in OH.. Manchin, I don't know because Republicans so outnumbered Dems in Wv..

[Fiendish Thingy]

104. There are several other seats that won't be a cakewalk- NV, PA, even WI and MI

Overall, it’s the fact that Dems will have to defend so many more seats than this year that makes 2024 an uphill challenge.

[NH Ethylene]

116. Watch her pull a Bernie and switch back to Dem for the election. n/t

[Fiendish Thingy]

117. What are you talking about?

As Senator, Sanders has alway run as an independent.

If Sinema were to run as a Democrat in 2024, she would lose her primary.

[NH Ethylene]

126. I'm talking about the presidential primaries.

He couldn't switch to independent fast enough after running as a D - twice. I do love Bernie, but felt a little used and abused after the primaries.

[3catwoman3]

4. Hasn't she pretty much been a disappointment...

...since she was sworn in to the Senate?

[Coventina]

6. Not at first, but I think once she figured out how to work the system

that's when she started the big grift.

And it's all been a big grift from there.

[Mad_Machine76]

37. The dramatic "thumbs down" vote on the minimum wage

was probably the first warning sign

[Irish_Dem]

112. I agree, she learned how to make as much money as possible.

That was her goal all along.

Sounds like she has been a self-serving agent of chaos from childhood.

[Garibaldista]

66. regarding "rw radio"

...please elaborate. Do the DSCC & DCCC tend not to run ads on the rw radio? Or...?

[former9thward]

72. I don't know about RW radio but they certainly run them on Fox.

In AZ I saw their ads on every TV network.

[grantcart]

7. It seems that the 3 years she lived with her family in an abandoned gas

station has created a deep hunger to join the ultra rich. Is that consistent with your observations?

[Coventina]

16. Not back then. She was ardently pro-labor, anti-capitalist.

Her transformation has left me thinking that she never had a core value at all.

The idea that she never had a moral center would explain her ability to treat people the way she has.

She has become the very thing she used to rage and rail against.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

87. A good reason not to elect anti-capitalists, if you ask me.

Every advanced liberal social democracy on the planet has a capitalist economic system, and for good reasons.

Let that be a lesson to you.

[Coventina]

89. I remain staunchly anti-capitalist.

Just because Sinema has chosen to abandon the values she espoused doesn't mean I'm going to abandon mine.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

90. Yet, there are no anti-capitalist liberal democracies on the face of the earth.

I think you and Sinema 1.0 have that dead wrong myself.

The alternative is the path to authoritarianism/totalitarianism, rather than liberalism.

Liberalism is part of the essential roots of the Democratic Party.

[StormKing]

95. Capitalism and White Supremacy are inseparable.

Sure, it's how you've lived your whole life.

But look around you, Capitalism is White Supremacy.

It can only last while we exploit ourselves or others.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

98. Absolute nonsense.

Do try harder.

[StormKing]

106. *points to Elon Musk* "I win"

Whether it's musk profiting off of and encouraging white supremacy or Bezos profiting off of it overseas in slave factories.

Capitalism is White Supremacy, always has been.

Have a nice night.

(In case of jury, the person did say "try harder." That is an invitation to reply.)

[Just A Box Of Rain]

109. Uh, yeh, hardly

Tell us what anti-capitalist country or regime that you'd point to--now or in the past--as some model for a society that you'd recommend? Or that you feel meshes with the ideals of a liberal democracy.

This is most certainly an invitation to reply.

[lostnfound]

111. Distorted and rigged as practiced in US. And read The Divine Right of Capital.

Little entrepreneur invests money to build a successful business ? 👍 good.

The gigantic inertia that keeps plowing most profits from human activity into the pockets of the same 100 guys who hold the paper that *entitles* them to those profits? Not much different from the divine right of kings, where peerage entitles you to the proceeds of feudal estates.

Other than IPO’S and special offerings, purchases of stock do not represent investment IN a company in the sense of money flowing from investor to company. It’s closer to buying and selling the entitlement to the proceeds of a feudal estate.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

119. I'll ask again:

What anti-capitalist country or regime whould you'd point to--either now or in the past--as some model for a society that you'd recommend? Or that you feel meshes with the ideals of a liberal democracy.

Or are all so called "anti-capitalist" regiemes actually examples of authoritarianism/totalitarianism?

[lostnfound]

120. It doesn't exist. But better forms of capitalism COULD exist than the crap existing in 2022

Are you not interested in imagining a BETTER form of capitalism?

A couple of ideas.
1. When the government invests taxpayers dollars in R&D whose value is captured by private companies, “taxpayers” are entitled to a share of future earnings proportional to that investment, treated essentially like other investors.
2. Enforcement of strong anti-monopoly and antitrust regulations
3. Severe restrictions on corporate lobbying
4. Ownership interest not to exceed 5% in fortune 100 corporations could be gradually (say, at 0.5% per year) transferred to public ownership (perhaps as part of taxes) so that the idea of an ownership society could benefit all....

As examples, open for discussion. Of course the latter is undiscussable.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

122. So an admission that there are no positive examples in history of an anti-capitalist regime

combined with an insultinging loaded question?

Part of embracing modern liberalism it to be progressively minded and in favor of the better of societies.

Embracing anti-capitalism is part of the problem, not part of the solution.

Taking the fruits of capitalism to improve the human condition is what modern liberalism is all about. How and what to regulate to ensure that common resources are not fouled, how to fight anti-competitive practices, and reduce fraud or other criminal behaviors that undermine markets are all critical areas to focus attention.

One can't have the logic of free markets w/o competition.

Anti-capitalist behavior is a problem. Some have that entirely backward.

[lostnfound]

123. Don't look for attack when there was none. Nt

[Just A Box Of Rain]

124. Pish, posh.

Saying: Are you not interested in imagining a BETTER form of capitalism?
is insulting. Be real.

[in2herbs]

8. Her action is confusing. As an Independent she would have to raise her own campaign $$ and

not rely on any contribution from Ds and their campaign arms. Unless she has a donor willing to provide her with an immense war chest how does becoming an I benefit her remaining in office beyond 2024? Some independents win elections, most on the East coast (King, Sanders.) Evan McMullin just tried it in Utah and lost.

A lot can and will happen in two years that will affect the election cycle but one thing I will guarantee is that I will NOT vote for Sinema, whether as an I or a D.

If she's as smart as some say she knows she can't afford an Independent campaign. IMO she's looking at K Street.

[Wednesdays]

10. She's setting herself up to be the spoiler in '24.

Arizona Democrats have the choice of either supporting her, or supporting a Democratic candidate who could easily lose because she splits off enough Democratic votes to ensure a Repug win.

[in2herbs]

12. D's should not support any candidate but a D candidate in 2024. The D party should decide right now

that they have to make a significant $$ investment in AZ to keep it D, not I.

Where is the guarantee that if she wins as an I in 2024 with $$$ help from the Ds, that she won't up and leave office and we won't be facing this same scenario after 2024? The only positive thing under that scenario is that AZ now has a D governor and Hobbs will put a D, not an I, in office to replace her. Would the Ds approve of Hobbs replacing Sinema with an I?

[SheltieLover]

36. I absolutely agree!

This is inexcusable, imo. She campaigned and won as a Dem.

I hope a solid Dem steps up to run for US Senate in AZ as a challenge to her.

[Prairie_Seagull]

20. I suspect you are correct.

The interviews I have seen this morning, how she appears and speaks, sure make it look like she is already running.

Won''t be surprised if tfgs camp is involved.

[Butterflylady]

67. Nope, it's the other way. She will hurt the repug running.

She's done harm to Bidens' agenda and they love her for that. So, lets say the repugs run a trump lover and we know there are never-trumpers out there who wouldn't vote for anyone with a D behind their name. To them a vote for her would be ok because she no longer has that D, now she has an I. If she runs she just screwed herself.

Now I know some of you will say what if they get smart ( which I sincerely doubt) and run a anti- trumper that will change the equation. No it won't. The repug party is becoming more volatile and by 2024 more and more Americans will start to see them for what they are, the party of hate and violence.

Hang in there everyone, its going to be a bumpy ride for the next 2 years.

[GenThePerservering]

82. I'm thinking it's more likely that she'll split off the gopper vote

the dems already despise her.

[progressoid]

17. With her voting history, it's unlikely she would have seen much financial support from the party.

IMHO

[Iggo]

31. Has she not already been raising money outside of Dem sources?

[Scalded Nun]

34. I would suspect she will expect (financial) backing from those who have supported

her antics the last couple of years.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

39. Not necessarily

Sanders and King caucus with us, but are "I"s. It will largely hinge on who we could run instead and who the Republicans run. Let's say she remains in our caucus and Blake Masters runs again. If we don't have someone we feel has a better chance to win, then she'll get campaign funding - if not directly from us then from pro-dem Pacs. However, she knows that in a primary, at this point, she'd get slaughtered. But there are a lot of folks registered who don't like either party or who are nominally members of a party but only vote in GEs.

[tanyev]

40. Ah, but a lot of R money seems to find its way to independent spoilers.

[Hekate]

41. The Independents who stay in office a long time come from tiny states, I think. nt

[Joinfortmill]

55. She's bought? Asking for Americans everywhere.

[Irish_Dem]

113. That we know. The question is: what is the going price for a US sitting senator?

[BComplex]

73. K Street is probably who talked her into this move, and assured her she'd be taken care of.

Republicans will gladly pay their ill-gotten gains to screw with the democratic party and our elected officials. They know who's for sale and who isn't.

[turbo_satan]

77. This is about her political survival

If she remains a D, she'll get primaried by a real D, who will, due to Sinema's abhorrent behavior, win easily. Changing to I, she has calculated that Dems won't run a challenger because the anti-R vote will get split, giving GOP a likely pickup in AZ. She's probably right. Again, she has outsize influence.

[GreenWave]

11. How hard the D's worked for Warnock. How easy she is for the GOP.

I am shocked at how easy the GOP have it.

[MustLoveBeagles]

96. +1

[NQAS]

14. I shouldn't be so simplistic...

As her issues go back many years.

But my guess? Follow the money.

[seta1950]

15. Sadly

I’m not surprised, it feels she is there to defat the Democrats, every self serving step she has taken is for attention. Shame on her

[not fooled]

19. Years ago, Howie Klein

(regular guest on the Nicole Sandler show and longtime Dem activist https://www.downwithtyranny.com/]

said that she was, literally, crazy. He'd been in the same room with her and said he could see it in her. That always stuck in my mind even though at the time I thought he was being hyperbolic.

No more. Truth. Explains a lot.

[Caliman73]

23. Lots of people go into the mental health professions to address their own trauma...

To be a successful MH professional you need to bring parts of yourself to the practice, however, I have seen too many people where those parts of themselves infect the practice and end up messing other people up. Sinema strikes me as that kind of person. Messed up, wanting relief, but damaging others in the process.

[LittleGirl]

43. Ding, ding, ding. Nailed it.

Hurt people hurt people.

They can’t always help it. It changes your DNA.

[electric_blue68]

99. Imho too much of a generalization...

Hurt people can as they mature, or earlier become more careful about not hurting others since they know what it's like to be hurt. The can retain, or cultivate empathy, and kindness.

It can also depend on who else is around them as influences.
It's more nuanced, I think, than what you state.

[lindysalsagal]

50. Exactly what I pick up in her videos. Something's off with her delivery. There's some kind of victim

or messiah complex telling her not to speak like a normal person, like the rest of us. She's slamming the world with some kind of "I'm special, I'm different, I'm important, I'm above you all. " statement.

Definitely some kind of weird mental health stuff happening.

[mopinko]

69. never met 1 that wasnt lookin for their own answers.

and i’ve met too many of them.

[Caliman73]

85. I think everyone is looking for answers.

The talent and trick is not to allow that to interfere with your obligation to help your client find their answers. You don't "look for your answers" together, or allow your search to interfere in your client's search.

Tend to your own shit on your own time. The purpose of a therapist or social worker is to provide the framework and the environment for the client to explore in a safe space.

It makes me cringe when I hear about situations you described.

[NullTuples]

22. To the OP: perhaps her going IND means Dems can run a real Democratic Party candidate?

And then you could have someone to vote for again?

[Raster]

24. When Sinema first ran, I voiced my concerns...

...and was told by someone here on DU who likes to throw around how in the know they are with the Dem power crowd, and how they had dinner with her and believed in her and blah, blah, blah.
And they knew better than I did or anyone else.

I actually live in Arizona. My family are long-time Arizona Democrats.

I campaigned for Sinema.
I contributed to Sinema.
I voted for Sinema.

Fuck Sinema!!!

We need a strong, real Democrat to run in 2024. I like Rep. Ruben Gallego.

It is obvious that Sinema has her own agenda.

Again, FUCK SINEMA. Arizona deserves better than Sinema.

I will work my ass off for the Democrat that challenges her.
Fuck Sinema.

[LittleGirl]

46. YES! Exactly! Shakes Fist nt

[panader0]

80. i wonder how Sinema's switch to Indie will affect Gallego's desire to primary her.

It's something to think about for Ruben. As pointed out above, she could split the D vote and then
Ruben would be gone. He's great, a real Democrat, and we need him at least in the House.
Gallego could run as an Independent and then switch to D. I wonder how this will play out.

[bluboid]

94. absolutely right!

it's good to hear the voice of a long time AZ resident - she needs to go!

[stopdiggin]

105. wait. voiced concerns

But also campaigned, contributed and voted for same?

Concerns couldn't have been too big. Or are we talking a different election cycle?

[Raster]

108. Same election cycle... I felt like she was not the best candidate at the beginning of the cycle...

... voiced my concerns. Yes, concerns that she was not the Democrat she claimed to be.

Sinema positioned herself to be the progressive, female candidate FROM ARIZONA that could possibly win the Senate seat and make history as the first female Senator from a RED state morphing into purple-blue.

[stopdiggin]

118. yeah. understood.

In today's climate - sometimes it is a matter of the lesser of two ...
And, as we've seen in the past, people that were unwilling to make that kind of choice - have cost us big time.

And were Manchin and Sinema preferable to having two senators with an R beside their name? Don't think that's a question we even have to ask.
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[Historic NY]

25. I like that no D no vote

[tinrobot]

26. A friend of mine in Arizona used to date her.

Can confirm - she's a self-centered tornado of chaos.

[Seinan Sensei]

100. Definitely sounds like the stuff of 'personality disorder'

[DarthDem]

27. Good Insight. Most Likely . . .

This isn't much of a problem. As the White House noted, it probably impacts her re-election (or not; see below) and nothing else.

(I love your framing of her as an agent of chaos, BTW. That's perfect and oh-so-accurate.)

First, I suspect that she did this because she knew that she was going to be primaried by Ruben Gallego and lose. It's also a way of trying to get herself in the news - which she craves - after Warnock's win made her irrelevant. She'll still be irrelevant, but this way she can get her name out there and make a "splash." I believe that's how she perceives it.

I also suspect that she did this not because she intends to run for re-election as an independent, but because (she thinks) this will set her up for a lobbying job / Faux News job better than remaining as a Democrat and running for re-election, then losing. See also Tulsi Gabbard, who followed much the same strategy, albeit in a slightly different order. The common factors, though, are leaving the Democratic party and resigning rather than running for re-election in the face of a looming primary challenge. I think Sinema will do the latter just as Gabbard did. I don't believe she has any interest in being a civil servant anymore; she's after bigger bucks.

[Joinfortmill]

58. It seems they both also like extremes

[StarryNite]

28. Money talks...

she's been bought and paid for. I will never vote for her again either. She can go hang out with Kari, they're both nutjobs.

[Iggo]

32. What in the ever loving fuck are you talking about?

[Casandia]

38. LMAO!!!!

My thoughts exactly

[certainot]

45. see below...

[Iggo]

59. That was definitely a rhetorical question.

Which would be obvious unless.

[3catwoman3]

93. I envy your ability to speak so...

…forthrightly - truly I do. Maybe in my next life.

[Iggo]

115. My sister-in-law told me it's because I've never been married...lol.

Whether cause or effect, I do believe that has something to do with it.

[Hekate]

48. Good lord'n'butter, certainot

[niyad]

49. Please delete this seriously offensive post.

[barbtries]

30. on another thread

it was mentioned that she appears to have a narcissistic personality disorder - your story seems to bear that out. do you agree?

[lindysalsagal]

52. I hear that in her delivery. She speaks a lot but really only says, "I'm over here. I'm important."

[Coventina]

60. Yes. I think so. I didn't see it for a long time, as "progressives"

as a group, seem to care for others.

With the benefit of hindsight, it seems her progressiveness was only tied to things she believed would benefit her.

There's actually a type of abuser who can fly under the radar because they have a benevolent front.
My former BIL was one of those. Now I believe Sinema is one as well, except that now she's abandoned that mask of caring.

[IronLionZion]

33. Is she caucusing with Dems or not?

If not then she can go to hell. It would be interesting to know what her price was to sell out.

But if she does, then it doesn't change anything for our majority in committees. So in that case she would be like Bernie Sanders, Angus King, etc. who are not a problem for us.

[Warpy]

35. It sounds kinda like fucking her leads to serious problems

so I'll say to Libertarian Hell with her, it's where she belongs.

It still remains to be seen whether or not she caucuses with Democrats. If she does, she'll be a bigger problem than if she doesn't. Her votes also need to be monitored, as caucusing with Democrats and voting with Republicans is also a possibility for her.

In any case, it's obviously a move to avoid a primary challenge. Let's hope a "vote for a real Democrat instead of a turncoat" sells in 2024 and boots her out of that seat in favor of a Democrat who isn't an opportunistic jerk. It's hard to say what AZ will do in the short term. The state is under huge stress from persistent drought and Republicans aren't selling as well as they usually do.

[KS Toronado]

47. Sounds like the Arizona Democratic Party

needs to start right now figuring out who they should have run against her and then make sure her/his
name and photos are seen often on TV and newspapers to get name recognition started.
IMO it's the #1 thing that helped tfg, Oz & Walker.

[dalton99a]

51. Her empathy for the working poor is negative

[ffr]

53. Betrayal is right! Voters should feel betrayed. She ran as a democrat

when it was politically expedient. But now, she sees opportunity in sewing chaos and is all too eager to cash in!

She's a POS!

[Joinfortmill]

54. I'm not surprised.

[Quanto Magnus]

56. More than anything

she seems like an opportunist...

[Demsrule86]

57. The thing is we won't have a choice. A third party candidacy will doom our chances to keep

Arizona. She will likely run as an independent on the Democratic ticket as Sanders does. We have no choice. My fear is we lose anyway.

[Metaphorical]

64. Assuming she runs again

It would be really ironic if Arizona went to ranked-choice voting between now and then.

[Demsrule86]

65. I believe she ran because she wants to win reelection and can't win a Democratic primary.

[Polybius]

74. Republicans control the Arizona state legislatures

They would be fools to support ranked-choice voting, because without it they have an excellent chance of winning if Sinema runs for re-election.

[erronis]

61. Wonder if her earlier spot in the Green party isn't like Jill Steins. Friend Of Putin.

The KGB's earlier attempt to derail democracy in the US.

Then Pute dug into his bag of tricks and pulled out trump.

[Metaphorical]

62. Why is this a surprise?

Arizona went blue fairly convincingly, and Sinema has been writing love letters to the Republicans for a while now. What only surprises me is that she decided to go Independent. Again, I'd echo the sentiment here that she's looking for a post-Senate career at this stage as a lobbyist.

I am going to go out on a limb and predict that Lisa Murkowski may very well do the same thing (go Independent), but choose to caucus with the Democrats. Murkowski has frequently been a swing vote, and she has enough seniority at this stage that people in Alaska vote for her, not the letter. She'd not get away with wearing a D in Alaska, but I see here as being roughly in Angus King's situation.

As long as Sinema caucuses with the Dems, I don't see it really making much difference.

[former9thward]

76. It makes a difference in 2024.

If she runs as a Independent she can't be primaried. A three way race will probably give the Republicans the seat.

[Jade Fox]

68. "an agent of chaos and destruction in people's lives".......

She sounds like a Narcissist all right.

[tenderfoot]

75. I don't buy any of her back story...

her alleged impoverished upbringing. I heard the family lived in an abandoned gas station because their house was being painted - not because they were poor.

And a host of other lies about bootstrapping, dumpster diving and whatever.

She's a fraud through and through.

[former9thward]

78. Then why has no media or op research found out the "real" story?

She is fairly high profile.

[tenderfoot]

79. And ruin a good Horatio Alger bullshit story?

Everyone still thinks Tom Cotton is a RANGER when it's been proven that he never was.

[gldstwmn]

81. Ruben Gallego would make a great replacement for her.

[Coventina]

83. Agreed. n/t

[LiberalFighter]

84. I would believe she would not get many Democratic votes or Republican.

[KentuckyWoman]

88. I always pegged her for a contrarian.

Never met the woman. I only know her by her public record. She wants to play with the Republicans but you wait, she'll bite them too if it suits her.

[MarcA]

91. Sounds like a Radical True Believer type. n/t

[BradAllison]

92. Indeed

arrogant, smug moron

[JohnSJ]

97. Sounds accurate

[czarjak]

101. Former Mormon.

[Lithos]

102. Question

Has she always shown narcissistic tendencies? I know creating destructive chaos to draw attention to oneself is a sign of narcissism (and psychopathy).

[Jspur]

121. No D no vote lol

sounds funny since it could also be used as a sexual phrase. I would be careful how you word that and say No Dem no vote, but I agree with everything you said.

[Hortensis]

125. Pretty typical description of someone prone to unstable radicalism,

and the emotional and cognitive whatevers (self deceits) required to support it and wherever it takes them.

Sinema reminds me of our friend Cindy in 1960s-70s California, politically engaged, very concerned with the problems of society, holding only the highest ideals, like the rest of us. Unlike most, though, she didn't wonder if "revolution" might bring its own problems and became a follower of Tom Hayden, leader of Students for a Democratic Society. She was so enlightened and committed to doing what was right that she also nursed her son until he was five, requiring her to bring him to adult dinners out, parties, etc.

The last time we ran into her, she was a delegate to the 1980 Republican convention and her cultish need for a leader to adore was being fulfilled by Ronald Reagan.

Btw, she was a tall, goodlooking college grad with very good social skills that hid her whackadoodle traits and able to get and hold good jobs. A sharp dresser too. She and Sinema would have looked good together.

In any case, Sinema's questionable history reminds me of Cindy-ish perambulations of mental miswiring and imbalance. They take those prone in all different directions, which may be interpreted as broad-minded; but broad-mindedness and "free thinking" should strengthen understanding, not be associated with serious Cindy-ish problems with both judgment and character.