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demmiblue

(36,920 posts)
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 12:20 PM Nov 2022

Del Lusional: The one who saved my life and stomped the shooter's face in was not a drag queen, she

The one who saved my life and stomped the shooter’s face in was not a drag queen, she is a trans woman. Let’s not call trans women drag queens during this time of grieving over a transphobic attack.

I also want to make it clear, I don’t think Richard knew that she’s not a drag performer. But now that we know, let’s correct it.





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Del Lusional: The one who saved my life and stomped the shooter's face in was not a drag queen, she (Original Post) demmiblue Nov 2022 OP
Thanks. We should all be known for who we are. Not what others may label us. LakeArenal Nov 2022 #1
+100. nt MarineCombatEngineer Nov 2022 #2
KNR niyad Nov 2022 #3
Now we know but I cannot imagine the confusion and panic at a time like that Deuxcents Nov 2022 #4
That needs fixing, all right. I 'm definitely an admirer Hortensis Nov 2022 #5
And why did she have to be referred to as anything grumpyduck Nov 2022 #6
That's how Richard Fierro first identified her gratuitous Nov 2022 #7
Oh, I agree that they were both awesome and saved a bunch of lives. grumpyduck Nov 2022 #9
Yes! This AllyCat Nov 2022 #14
I get your point but there's still value in the overall message Hugh_Lebowski Nov 2022 #8
Of course there's value in the message. grumpyduck Nov 2022 #10
Glad we agree ... and I'd bet we also agree it will indeed be a great day Hugh_Lebowski Nov 2022 #11
I hope so too. grumpyduck Nov 2022 #12
I get your point - and it is a good one. whopis01 Nov 2022 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author NullTuples Nov 2022 #23
I will remember to thank the Trans I work with. StClone Nov 2022 #15
"the Trans"? NullTuples Nov 2022 #20
Done.. TY! Cha Nov 2022 #16
I kind of wondered Kali Nov 2022 #17
K&R onecaliberal Nov 2022 #18
The one who saved your life and stomped the NoMoreRepugs Nov 2022 #19
Thanks for clarifying MustLoveBeagles Nov 2022 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author NullTuples Nov 2022 #22
Msn wrong as so often is the case AltairIV Nov 2022 #24
Minor detail to me. Sorry. JohnnyRingo Nov 2022 #25

Deuxcents

(16,456 posts)
4. Now we know but I cannot imagine the confusion and panic at a time like that
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 12:32 PM
Nov 2022

Sometimes, after the facts get sorted out and the survivors can be heard, the real story is told. Thankfully, there were brave people who never thought for a second to do what had to be done.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
5. That needs fixing, all right. I 'm definitely an admirer
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 12:38 PM
Nov 2022

and hope she didn't take it as an aspersion on her clothing taste. I like to think, though, that people of any orientation who happened to be wearing heels might have been inspired to stomp them on this guy's face.

Btw, Del Lusional tweeted that "Richard" did correct his reporting at least.

grumpyduck

(6,297 posts)
6. And why did she have to be referred to as anything
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 12:38 PM
Nov 2022

besides a customer or a woman? Whose business is that anyway?

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
7. That's how Richard Fierro first identified her
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 12:47 PM
Nov 2022

In the heat of the moment, it's understandable that not every last detail was immediately known. Fierro probably just assumed that the person who helped him put the beatdown on poor, misunderstood Anderson was one of the performers in the darkened club. Now that someone with better knowledge has clarified the situation, I agree with Del Lusional that we give her credit for her heroic efforts in helping Fierro and saving lives.

grumpyduck

(6,297 posts)
9. Oh, I agree that they were both awesome and saved a bunch of lives.
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 01:01 PM
Nov 2022

What set me off initially was the "label." I see so much of that that coming from repukes that it makes me sick.

And I hope that that poor misunderstood cowardly pos asshole never forgets what she did to his face.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
8. I get your point but there's still value in the overall message
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 12:54 PM
Nov 2022

That being "we are not afraid to defend ourselves".

Also the woman was referred to as a 'drag queen' in previous reporting, so it's good to clear this matter up if that's not how she identifies. I bet she appreciates the clarification.

grumpyduck

(6,297 posts)
10. Of course there's value in the message.
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 01:07 PM
Nov 2022

"We are not afraid to defend ourselves." I hope it reaches a lot of people and saves more lives.

And yes I'm sure she appreciates the clarification and hope the MSM picks up on it.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
11. Glad we agree ... and I'd bet we also agree it will indeed be a great day
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 01:09 PM
Nov 2022

When nobody even feels the need to add these sorts of qualifiers in their discourse.

I think it'll come.

whopis01

(3,535 posts)
13. I get your point - and it is a good one.
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 01:45 PM
Nov 2022

I don't think, in this case, it was meant to be harmful, divisive, or labelling though.

For me, the image of an over-the-top high heel shoe of a drag queen pummeling the face of this monster was poetic. I think that feeling was picked up and repeated by others. Certainly a drag performer is not the only face of LGBTQ+, but it is a dramatic one and I believe it appealed to people as a to counter the drama of the situation.

But in the end, it certainly wasn't an accurate description, nor was it a necessary one.

So, just to be clear, I agree with what you are saying. I'm just pointing out that I think that this time it was done from a good place (or emotional place maybe), not a evil place.

Response to grumpyduck (Reply #6)

NoMoreRepugs

(9,528 posts)
19. The one who saved your life and stomped the
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 10:13 PM
Nov 2022

Scumbag was a HERO - who happened to be a trans woman. Words are important.

MustLoveBeagles

(11,691 posts)
21. Thanks for clarifying
Wed Nov 23, 2022, 01:27 AM
Nov 2022

I think under the circumstances Richard's mistake is understandable and forgiveable.

Response to demmiblue (Original post)

AltairIV

(412 posts)
24. Msn wrong as so often is the case
Wed Nov 23, 2022, 07:47 AM
Nov 2022

Symptomatic of the msn of getting and checking fundamental facts of a news item incorrect.

JohnnyRingo

(18,700 posts)
25. Minor detail to me. Sorry.
Wed Nov 23, 2022, 11:13 AM
Nov 2022

It doesn't matter to me if that person was a drag queen, trans, or Gene Simmons. It makes no difference in the recounting. Being called either trans or a drag queen is not supposed to be an insult. Gene Simmons, maybe.

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