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NanceGreggs

(27,821 posts)
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 02:38 AM Nov 2022

Where's Your Messiah Now?

Where's Your Messiah Now?

In the lead-up to the 2020 election, RW (alleged) Christians bragged about how Trump's victory was assured due to their prayers to the Almighty. They claimed that God himself had 'annointed' Trump as the leader of the nation. And yet Trump lost - resoundingly so.

In the lead-up to the 2022 midterms, RW (alleged) Christians again declared that thanks to their fervent prayers, a Red Wave was assured and those evil Democrats would be ousted from power across the board - which of course didn't happen.

Needless to say, faux 'Christians' have attributed these losses to the idea that Satan was at work undermining the will of The Lord.

Well, that begs several questions.

If your Christian God has been proven too weak to thwart the Devil, aren't you praying to the wrong entity? If you really desire political power through divine intervention, isn't the intervention you seek more in line with the anti-Christ than the man who preached love, peace, tolerance, and being Thy Brother's Keeper?

I don't believe in God - any more than I believe in Satan. But it seems obvious that those who pray to a 'God' who keeps telling them NO! should be listened to - that a 'God' who consistently ignores their prayers might be saying something they should take note of.

If you believe that an Almighty God is on your side, isn't it time to wonder why he seems to be siding with the Democrats? If you believe that an Almighty God wants RW nut-jobs in office, isn't it time to wonder why the Red Wave never happened in 2022?

Food for thought for the Republicans who still insist that 'God' has their backs - despite all proof that he apparently doesn't.









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NoRethugFriends

(2,366 posts)
1. God has a plan doncha know?
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 02:51 AM
Nov 2022

We mere mortals just can't figure it out.. God is just playing n-dimensional chess

Response to NoRethugFriends (Reply #1)

sprinkleeninow

(20,272 posts)
9. That ambiguity registered to me; should have made it clear.
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 07:38 AM
Nov 2022

A description of those who profess Christianity as the Faith they adhere to. But then their actions are extreme opposite. And likening 'one' to their 'saviour'.

kentuck

(111,111 posts)
10. They are worshipping the dark side, the evil angels of our nature.
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 11:57 AM
Nov 2022

And are confusing it with what is right and good.

ShazzieB

(16,678 posts)
4. I guess I'd call myself an agnostic.
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 04:46 AM
Nov 2022

I think I believe in God, sort of. I feel like there's someone or something out there beyond what I can perceive with my human faculties, and I call him/her/them/it God, because that's the word I learned to use from the time I became capable of thinking about such things. I don't claim to know who or what God is, exactly, but I feel like he/she/they/it exists. I can't prove it, and I'm not the least bit interested in trying to convince anyone else of his/her/their/its existence.

Having said all that to establish where I'm coming from personally, I am appalled by people who are arrogant and presumptuous enough to claim that they know exactly what God wants or intends, and even more appalled by someone claiming that they have the power to make God do their personal bidding (i.e., that "thanks to their fervent prayers, a Red Wave was assured" ).

That anyone thinks they, as a piddly little human, could possibly be THAT important in the overall scheme of things absolutely blows my mind. I'm sure it feels great to tell yourself you have that kind of cosmic significance, but that's ALL it does. It certainly doesn't do them or anyone else any good, and it can lead to horrible things, such as when people decide that God "wants" them to punish those they have decided are evildoers.

People who think like this have the potential to be dangerous. Not all of them are dangerous at all times, but the potential is there. When they mistake their own personal desires and unconscious yearnings for what they call the "voice of God," that enables them to justify almost anything. I actually believe that at least some of them mean well, and some think they mean well (which is not at all the same thing), but that doesn't make them one bit less potentially dangerous.

As long as they are busy getting high on having a direct line to what they believe to be the voice and will of God, they will never see the contradictions or "wonder why he [i.e., God] seems to be siding with the Democrats." They will also continue to have the potential to be dangerous.

The whole thing is very unsettling.

 

Genki Hikari

(1,766 posts)
14. Agnostic isn't a halfway point between religiosity and atheism
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 04:51 PM
Nov 2022

Because it isn't a belief position. It's a knowledge position. It's literally in the meaning of the roots of the word: a = not/no and gnostic from the gnosis = knowledge.

So agnosticism means lack of KNOWLEDGE about the existence of deities while gnosticism means having the KNOWLEDGE that deities exist.

A/theism is the word that relates to belief, or the lack thereof.

Atheism is the lack of BELIEF in the existence of deities, while theism means having the BELIEF that deities exist.

Because they're different positions, they work together to determine where people stand on a knowledge/belief axis:

If you both BELIEVE and KNOW that deities exist, then you're a gnostic theist, like most religious people who worship deities.

If you're not sure that you KNOW deities exist, but BELIEVE they do, anyway, then you're an agnostic theist. Like many deists, Unitarians C of E members, and "spiritual not religious" types.

If you KNOW and BELIEVE that deities don't exist, then you're a gnostic atheist.

If you lack KNOWLEDGE and BELIEF in the existence of deities, then you're an agnostic atheist. This is the position of most atheists.

Really.

ShazzieB

(16,678 posts)
16. Well, I guess it's more complicated than I realized.
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 06:00 PM
Nov 2022

According to those definitions, I'm either a gnostic theist or an agnostic theist, but I'm not sure which. The distinction between "believe" and "know" keeps tripping me up. I'm not sure how to draw a line between the two.

Do you have a source or sources for these definitions that you would care to share? I'd like to explore this further.

GreenWave

(6,839 posts)
5. The generic term god should no longer be accepted.
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 04:47 AM
Nov 2022

First and last name.
Why no wife?
Why did you impregnate an already married woman?

Blasphemy is calling evolution a theory, when every branch of science that cam confirm it does.

Grokenstein

(5,731 posts)
7. Elections? Man, Jee-Ho can't even stop COVID.
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 05:30 AM
Nov 2022

I thought the Dude was all about turning plagues on and off.

keithbvadu2

(37,066 posts)
8. COVID 19 is destroyed and gone?
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 06:39 AM
Nov 2022

COVID 19 is destroyed and gone?

That nice man blew it away in April 2020…

Televangelist Kenneth Copeland

Feel safer/better now?

Of course he wants us to send him lots of money.

https://i.imgur.com/s7A6VaB.mp4

TigressDem

(5,125 posts)
11. God DID have their backs if they prayed for the BEST candidate to win.
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 04:17 PM
Nov 2022

Silly THEM thinking they "knew" the BEST Candidate was tRUMP.


I kid

I kid


They are supporting a loose morals football player against an actual Reverend in Georgia.

Now Joe Biden being Catholic has probably heard 2 Old Testament Readings, 1 New Testament Reading and a Homily every Sunday he went to Church. So at least he's heard the Word of God.

But WARNOCK is the one writing sermons and those Bible Thumpers don't believe in him. Maybe they can't spell very well or spell check tells them, do you mean WARLOCK?





Johnny2X2X

(19,333 posts)
12. Here in Michigan
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 04:40 PM
Nov 2022

The Blue wave was a Tsunami.

Have a friend from high school who is a huge Trumpster. Debated a little on FB messenger with him about Biden being the guy who would beat Trump. Left it at that, didn't gloat at all. Don't follow him on my feed. But I went and snooped the other day, it's a full meltdown from this Spring through today.

He was 100% sure "Whitler" was going down for all those evil Covid restrictions. Michigan was going deep red in response to Democratic dictatorship during Covid. It was all over baby. Then it went to, "Don't trust the polls! Everyone hates Whitmer!!! I guarantee she's losing easily." Then the night of, "don't concede, wait until all the votes are counted!" His last post was, "I feel like I don't have a state anymore, this is like China."

LOL! And this dude is fully disabled due to a back injury. He lives off from Social Security and food stamps. Whitmer has done more for people like him than any governor in our lifetimes. He's also a bit unstable, so I'll leave him be, but hilarious to watch him totally lose it.

Jack the Greater

(601 posts)
15. "Christians bragged about how Trump's victory was assured due to their prayers to the Almighty."
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 04:55 PM
Nov 2022

"RW (alleged) Christians again declared that thanks to their fervent prayers, a Red Wave was assured and those evil Democrats would be ousted from power across the board"

Can you provide links to these claims? I would like to read and savor them.

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