I'll bet my life savings (as meager as they are) the CO shooter is a right wing hate filled MAGAT!

[augyboston]

No word yet as to who the perp is in this despicable act of mass murder, but I'd bet my life savings, house, car, and all worldly belongings that this dirtball is an extreme right-wing hate-filled MAGAT.

The amount of blood on these peoples' hands (the NRA, Fox News, GOP, Trump, DeSantis, Talk Radio, Washington Examiner, et al) is mind-numbing.

My heart breaks for the victims and their families.

Just freaking EVIL!

[malaise]

1. Press conference coming up at 10.00am

I'll also bet that the number of dead has already increased

[Walleye]

2. It does seem like an awful lot of killing and shooting for a simple bar fight

[Igel]

4. That it does.

My cousin was killed with two others (and maybe 10 wounded) a few years ago.

Those arguing didn't actually even get wounded. All the bullets hit bystanders or inanimate objects (not that the shooters distinguished between the two).

3 dead, around 10 wounded didn't even make state news.

[Walleye]

10. So sorry to hear that. When I worked for a newspaper I went on so many stories

Where in a kid crib or a grandmother in a rocking chair was hit by a stray bullet with some teenage boys trying to settle up some score. Absolutely the worst part of working for a daily paper in a small city. I’ve been retired a few years now and it seems like these mass shootings are happening more and more. Not that there is any such thing as sensible killings but geez. Really sorry about your cousin

[Initech]

47. Even worse than that is that nobody does a damn thing and actually will make it worse.

We'll go through the same damn arguments we go through every time there's a mass shooting, and Congress will eventually cave to the 2A absolutionists and conspiracy theorists. Because the right wing propaganda controls the narrative on guns.

[yardwork]

21. That's actually not helpful to say.

Not all the people who hate and attack gay people are secretly gay themselves.

I don't know why it is that attacks on gay people are assumed to be perpetrated by gay people. When a right-wing terrorist attacks a mosque or synagogue, does anybody ever suggest that they might be secretly Muslim or Jewish? No, they do not. Nor is it speculated that white people who attack Black people are secretly Black. Men who beat their wives aren't secretly female.

Just stop.

[roamer65]

49. They fear what is inside of them.

People are more bisexual than most realize…IMO.

It often takes a LOT of courage to simply face what is inside of you.

[yardwork]

50. I think in this case he might just hate drag queens.

His grandfather is a MAGAT politician, who compared the Jan 6 insurrection to the American revolution.

[roamer65]

51. Something creates the fear.

I would suspect it’s a latent sexual orientation issue.

Repressed sexuality plus fascist dogma = violent behavior.

A good deprogrammer would figure it out with this dirtbag pretty quick.

[yardwork]

54. What you're doing is distressing to me, as a gay person.

There's a post down thread that illustrates how offensive this is. I've tried to be polite and explanatory, but this is getting ridiculous.

The GOP has worked hard to stir up hysteria about drag queens. Maybe you aren't aware of that. Some people are just mean and hateful. Lauren Boebert says horrible things about gay people. Do you really think she's gay?

[roamer65]

55. What makes her so scared of it?

That is the $64K question isn’t it?

[yardwork]

56. What makes her so scared of immigrants?

Why's she so scared of liberals?

[roamer65]

59. The fear of losing her white privilege.

They fear the loss of dominance.

[Demsrule86]

58. I think that post should be self-deleted at the very least. In what other case to they opine that

the person who did it is the same as their victims. It is a disgusting hurtful thing to post. And not true. There is not one case that I know of where the murderer of Gay or Trans people was Gay or Trans himself/herself. Seriously, I do not expect to see this level of what I consider Gay bashing on DU.

[JI7]

57. It's not fear, it's hate.

[Genki Hikari]

60. You'd be surprised how often

Atheists are the first ones blamed when a religious building gets shot up or vandalized.

When I was living in San Antonio, some nut attacked San Fernando Cathedral, smashed statues, that sort of thing. My evil religious co-workers INSTANTLY said it had to be somebody godless who did it.

I told them it would be a religious loon, because the godless don't give enough of a F about those stupid buildings to do anything to them.

And I turned out to be right. As usual.

[Emile]

5. Colorado has a huge Evangelical following.

[EYESORE 9001]

18. And Colorado Springs is arguably ground zero for that following

[certainot]

32. there's a big chance he was egged on by the local republican radio stations but that won't be

mentioned in his bio, and is never polled or associated with the magas - they're dittoheads

and air force academy in Co springs broadcasts sports on 2 ex limbaugh stations, Co state on 1. they probably support some other RW stations that carry guys like alex jones. hundreds of RW stations depend on hundreds of schools and pro teams.

Air Force 2, Colorado State 1

they all excuse the bigotry and call criticism of it “wokeness”. they all work for the NRA and scream if there’s any attempt to regulate the assault weapons that make this shit possible. the university of syracuse, 150 miles from the buffalo mass shooting supports 9 RW stations, 6 ex limbaugh. the district there was narrowly won by a republican and dems have no excuse not to start complaining to those universities and pro teams.

[Mr. Ected]

6. This is what a 21st century civil war looks like in America

A series of unconnected terrorist attacks on progressives. No wonder they want to cling onto their guns like a newborn. Easier to kill us than to win a debate of ideas.

[gay texan]

7. holy shit.....

This is a full on hate crime.

[MotorCityBeard]

11. A couple of weeks ago, my boss told me how good things were for the LGBTQ community now...

And she has relatives in Florida! I was shocked and asked her if she was fucking serious.

I just feel sick waking up to this story. This is the result of all the bullshit groomer/pedophile crap the fucking right wingers keep spewing.

From the time I came out in the 80's, the gay bars and nightclubs were a refuge, a safe place. You could let your guard down and be your true self without fear because you were with others who were like you. The Pulse nightclub shooting was bad enough, and a rude awakening. This is horrifying and I think it's going to get worse the next 2 years.

[NutmegYankee]

13. The "groomer" conspiracies will keep this happening:

“This is the dynamic as it plays out,” said Brian Hughes, a professor at American University who studies radicalism and extremism. “The conspiracy theory prompts an act of violence; that act of violence needs to be disavowed, and it can only be disavowed by more conspiracy theories, which prompts more violence.”

[Rebl2]

29. Wow

She must not ever read or listen to the news😐

[mitch96]

8. " shooter is a right wing hate filled MAGAT!" I think at first glance it's a given...nt

[frogmarch]

15. Club Q calls it a hate crime on their Facebook page.

Like you, I think the killer is a Magat.

[malaise]

9. Anderson Lee Aldridge

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That's his name

[barbtries]

14. found this on fb

https://www.facebook.com/rainicloud.sanchez/posts/pfbid02BvgtmJV9ZetDSbhTMLz7fv6xEWdDn2FsUL51tYpRiLMp5Z3fP3866gEym3K5K9ryl

OMG, they just released the Suspects name and age. Anderson Lee Aldrich, 22 year old Male. Well, name and age matches another ATTACK by the same name and age matches last year. If this is the same person WHY was he not in Jail? I haven’t had time to check the Case from the attached attack last year. Please check in and support Family!!!!!!

possibly not his first rodeo? i'm sure this will all come out in the days to come, whether that's true. seems very credible given the name and location:
https://krdo.com/news/top-stories/2021/06/19/bomb-threat-in-lorson-ranch-neighborhood-friday-night/?fbclid=IwAR1xTpL6sNOEviAxhyViJUUOvuqktvFq7XpUWnHOIfmK3dCYOipaMFk8w2A

[malaise]

16. It's him from your link By KRDO News Published June 19, 2021 12:11 PM

Friday afternoon around 2:00 p.m., deputies with the El Paso County Sheriff's Offices responded to reports of a bomb threat on Rubicon Drive in the Lorson Ranch neighborhood, just south of the Colorado Springs Airport.

The suspect, 21-year old Anderson Lee Aldrich, refused to comply with deputies' orders to surrender. It was reported to the Sherrif's Office that he had a homemade bomb, multiple weapons, and ammunition.

A Tactical Support Unit, which includes the Regional Explosives Unit was called in. Around 10 homes were evacuated in the surrounding area, while an emergency text notification was sent out to homes within a 1/4-mile radius of the address.

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Now 22 - must be white for he's still alive and free

[barbtries]

17. and still obviously had his guns after this.

unreal. thank you republicans and the NRA. and the stupid bigoted voters of the USA.

[malaise]

28. Domestic terrorists live free and kill

Sickening

[OnlinePoker]

26. From what I just read, no charges were ever laid.

"There is no ongoing court case listed for Anderson Aldrich in Colorado court records. No formal charges were ever filed, and the case was sealed..."

https://heavy.com/news/anderson-lee-aldrich/

[LeftInTX]

19. Oh geez....I wonder what happened with 2021 case???

[barbtries]

20. yeah, me too.

clearly not much. he should have been in prison right now. he should not have had access to firearms. assuming it's the same person, which it does appear to be. hard to believe there could be 2 people by that name of that age in that town.

[barbtries]

12. I'm sure you're right.

I have already read that it was done out of hate - that's almost exclusively a right wing thing. they love to hate and don't mind murdering people they hate.

[reymega life]

22. you know what's demonic and satanic? going into a LGBTQ nightclub and killing them

[barbtries]

24. it's trumpian and republican.

and what you said.

[Chainfire]

23. Republicans have revived and sanctified public hatred. The results are predictable.

Many will consider the killing of gay people as them getting what they deserve. Killing is all the rage now, look at Rittenhouse, hob-knobbing with the house leadership. The murdering little fuck is their hero!

[barbtries]

25. really illustrates what i've been thinking since gw was president

that party's gotta go -it's already gone and that must be acknowledged.

[patphil]

27. When the seeds of hate are sown, eventually a harvest of violence is reaped.

Those who pull the trigger are not the only guilty ones here. Unfortunately, the ones who create the environment of hate almost never get called to accountability.

[irisblue]

33. Apparently the club was hosting a drag show. The RW has been posting that drag shows are for pedos

Beastly Boy, not all violence against LGBTQ people is committed by mostly males with questions about their sexuality. That trope of a self hating closeted man is just about over.
Please reconsider that POV

[David__77]

35. Thank you.

Same thing was said about the Orlando killer. Terrible stuff.

[Behind the Aegis]

38. I am very fond of you and your posts.

However, this one is not helpful. Given you are one of the few posters who is active in defending against anti-Semitism and speaks out forcefully and factually, I figured I would illustrate how this trope is viewed among many in the community, especially gay men. When an event like this happens, it is almost automatically assumed the perpetrator is a "self-loathing homo". This has been applied to just about every homophobe, who is male, usually women aren't accused of being "secret lezbos", that they are struggling with their sexuality. It simply isn't true and it is based on two studies, both pathetically small, yet, it has become a popular trope.

So, given I am also a Jew, I am going to reach into that identity to demonstrate how I see this trope as a gay man through my Jewish eyes...



Do you understand now? Basically, we, gay men, are blamed for crimes and hate against us.

[Beastly Boy]

39. That's a pretty convincing analogy. No need for further explanations. Deleting my post.

[irisblue]

40. I appreciate your reply to me. I was writing up a long post on the closted self hating gay man trope

BTA did so much freaking better then I did in his reply. .

Thank you for listening to members of the LGBTQ+ community here on DU

[Beastly Boy]

43. I did something that requires no thanks, but I truly appreciuate it.

I listen, and I change my mind. It's on me to make myself less ignorant.

[Behind the Aegis]

45. Thank you for listening.

I know in your response to Iris, you said you didn't need thanks, but you do. Our community is often, IMO, not listened too. So, when someone takes the time to listen to us and change their behavior/mind/opinion, it shows an open-mindedness that many claim to have, but don't sometimes extend to us and our concerns.

[irisblue]

41. BtA, thank you for that analogy. It is quite brilliant & true

[Behind the Aegis]

46. Gay and Jewish...gots to love it. LOL!

I have found that as a gay Jewish man, sometimes I am faced with very similar issues, so this seemed a natural move. As I said in my post, Beastly Boy is very good on Jewish issues so I knew the analogy would likely resonate with him. It did.

[duhneece]

64. I'm so glad I read this post. Your comment nailed my new knowledge

Thank you

[Traildogbob]

31. Colorado has a

Caucus of Boebert worshippers. Not dissing the whole state, but we all have a sick ready to kill caucus in our states. For fucks sake my NC district gave the country Meadows followed up with Cawthorn. And those type stoke the worst from the sickest. This will never end with total freedom of speech platforms that encourage, and demand their troops go out and kill. Just like the Cleric leaders of Muslim terrorist, sending brain dead followers to go blow themselves up for Gawd. And they line up to Go kill others and themselves for Gawd. Our Christian Clerics have unlimited ways to recruit and send their Gawd soldiers to go do his will. With unprecedented easy access to weapons to carry it out. And in their eyes and hearts, “The best is yet to come.” Just wait until GQP, Bannon and Q start telling MAGA’s and incels, 72 Virgins await them after carrying out Gawds will.
With Congress, Senators, Governors and even President's, be it candidates or in the White House, pushing war and death on 2/3 of the country, backed by the most powerful media ever assembled and unlimited cash, we are not facing much of a future. There is no sugar coating what we are in for.
Happy holidays, in Jesus’s name, they pray, (PREY)

[Initech]

34. Not only that, I'd also bet that if the judge speaks MAGA....

He will get off with a dinner at Mastros and a slap on the wrist. And Boebert, Greene and Gaetz will be fighting over who gets him as an intern.

[IcyPeas]

42. just like rittenhouse......

[Demsrule86]

53. He murdered five people, there will be no slap on the wrist and Colorado went Blue this year.

Is Colorado now a blue state then?
Yeah, what we’re mostly seeing is that we’re a blue state. We’re certainly more liberal in terms of social and cultural policies — even fiscally. This particular election suggested that we’re not too far from the norm in that we don’t really like taxes. We reduced our overall tax rate, but at the same time, we were open to spending more money on specific programs such as affordable housing and school lunches.

On top of that, we gave Democrats what we call the trifecta — control of the governor’s office, the state House and the state Senate. You have to go back to the 1930s to have a majority in the state House of Representatives that’s as large as it is right now for the Democrats. There may be some ebbs and flows, but for the most part Colorado is now a blue state and will probably stay that way for the next 5 to 10 years. We’ll see what happens. It will mostly depend on whether Republicans end up repositioning themselves.

https://red.msudenver.edu/2022/qa-how-democrats-won-colorados-midterm-elections/

[roamer65]

48. Good chance of it.

I would not bet against it.

[gay texan]

52. You know i've been avoiding it for so long

I'm going to have to buy a handgun.

I didn't choose this life. I cant help it if the clothes of the opposite gender make me feel better and feel empowered. I cant help it if if i find men attractive.

This shouldn't be that big of a deal, but people hell bent on obtaining power are endangering us.

I detest the idea of carrying a fire arm, but i just want to exist. I fucking hate having to keep my guard up all of the time.

Yesterday i had to stop into wal mart for this and that, and i passed by the clearance section. In it there were a variety of these really cute women's flip flops, all in my size and a variety colors for $1 a pair. I wanted them so badly, but i knew in this town if i was seen buying them all fucking hell would break loose. All for buying the things that make me feel happy.

Again, i just want to exist.

Its to the point that in order to exist, i have to do it armed.

[roamer65]

61. Do the needful my friend.

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I am proud, gun owning gay man.

[Genki Hikari]

62. Buy them

If anyone questions it, say you're buying them for your sister (or mom, or girlfriend, or whoever). Maybe make a joke that you're tired of looking at her grody shoes.

Scumbags prying into your shopping choices don't deserve the truth. They deserve a punch to the throat, IMO, but giving the dirtbags the lie they deserve would keep you out of jail.

[gay texan]

63. I have done that before, lol n/t

[malaise]

65. You win

That is all