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ColinC

(8,515 posts)
Tue Nov 15, 2022, 04:41 PM Nov 2022

Should NATO respond militarily in Ukraine?


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Yes
4 (17%)
No
2 (8%)
Only if Poland invokes article 5.
17 (71%)
Other
0 (0%)
No. Not even if Poland invokes article 5.
1 (4%)
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Should NATO respond militarily in Ukraine? (Original Post) ColinC Nov 2022 OP
well that depends on facts of the matter, not media war mongering hysteria nt msongs Nov 2022 #1
I am basing this ColinC Nov 2022 #2
In other words Beachnutt Nov 2022 #7
putin needs to be taken out. NOW Meadowoak Nov 2022 #3
Ukraine is not in NATO... Wounded Bear Nov 2022 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author Tetrachloride Nov 2022 #5
Depends DetroitLegalBeagle Nov 2022 #6
Article 4 is more likely at this point. Emrys Nov 2022 #8
Let's just find out exactly what is going on first. AngryOldDem Nov 2022 #9
"in Ukraine"? It can't be done practically. JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 2022 #10

ColinC

(8,515 posts)
2. I am basing this
Tue Nov 15, 2022, 04:47 PM
Nov 2022

On the assumption That Russia try to kill Ukrainians on Ukrainian soil close to Poland and accidentally killed Polish citizens on Polish soil

Beachnutt

(7,493 posts)
7. In other words
Tue Nov 15, 2022, 05:24 PM
Nov 2022

putin can kill all the Ukranian men women and children he wants and maybe a couple of polish folks is ok too...

Wounded Bear

(59,064 posts)
4. Ukraine is not in NATO...
Tue Nov 15, 2022, 04:50 PM
Nov 2022

It is yet to be determined what to do about the explosions in Poland.

That's gonna take some patience to determine exactly what happened and explore a "why" before a response is agreed upon.

Response to ColinC (Original post)

DetroitLegalBeagle

(1,966 posts)
6. Depends
Tue Nov 15, 2022, 05:23 PM
Nov 2022

If Poland was targeted specifically, then yes, if they invoke Article 5. But if it was an errant missile, either due to being damaged by Ukrainian interceptors, jammed by the Ukrainians, failed due to being shitty russian equipment, targeting miscalculated due to shitty russian training or drunk conscripts, then no.

Emrys

(7,365 posts)
8. Article 4 is more likely at this point.
Tue Nov 15, 2022, 05:30 PM
Nov 2022
In Article 4 of NATO’s founding treaty, members can bring any issue of concern, especially related to the security of a member country, to the table for discussion within the North Atlantic Council.

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_49187.htm


Article 5 at this stage would be a very serious escalation that reeked of unfortunate red lines.

AngryOldDem

(14,065 posts)
9. Let's just find out exactly what is going on first.
Tue Nov 15, 2022, 05:33 PM
Nov 2022

This is very serious shit. Right now it’s Poland in charge. They have to request NATO involvement, as far as I understand.

Jake Tapper is really cheerleading escalation…just slow your roll, man.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,480 posts)
10. "in Ukraine"? It can't be done practically.
Tue Nov 15, 2022, 05:56 PM
Nov 2022

Rockets and drones are being fired from bases in Russia, not Ukraine. We'd have to eliminate those bases, which means direct strikes in Russia. Otherwise, we're wasting resources.

If we're going to do all that, we may as well "liberate" the Crimean peninsula, since we're in the neighborhood.

I'm sure the war plans are being polished, somewhere in a sub-sub-basement of the Pentagon.

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