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(5,104 posts)Said as a lifelong liberal secularist.
padfun
(1,788 posts)Is ALL fiction bigotry?
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)Pure religious bigotry of the worst sort.
shrike3
(3,803 posts)dchill
(38,546 posts)In all that time, no proof of any of it has surfaced. Faith is NOT FACT. I personally don't care who that statement offends. I'm sure they've all figured out how to deal with it.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)That stands in contrast to the meme in the OP.
Bigotry isn't okay because someone who is presumably on "our side" engages in it.
Certainly you agree?
dchill
(38,546 posts)... ANYONE who would pass a law based falsely on faith.
Listen, it don't really matter to me, baby
You believe what you want to believe
You see, you don't have to live like a refugee
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)dchill
(38,546 posts)Especially the second paragraph.
tiredtoo
(2,949 posts)Mr.Mystery
(185 posts)among us liberals.
Skittles
(153,198 posts)it's proof that people can be made to believe ANYTHING
live love laugh
(13,140 posts)The same religious beliefs are shared no matter the politics.
shrike3
(3,803 posts)Speaker Pelosi and all other people of faith are fighting the good fight, including more than a few DUers.
Having faith and believing a proven liar and fraud are not the same.
One had actual evidence and they still believe.
Mr.Mystery
(185 posts)in their personal religious faith.
That would also include Desmond Tutu, the Kennedy brothers, Truman (who kissed the Bible upon his swearing in) and many of the Founders such as Washington (a devout Anglican) and Roosevelt who studied at Groton School under a religious headmaster who taught service for the poor.
Creating a rift between the believers and the atheists is absolutely unhelpful for our great cause of building a better society.
shrike3
(3,803 posts)Great, great man. Also the Kennedy brothers, and I also forgot about Truman.
People without faith and with faith can and should work together for the good of all.
cloudbase
(5,525 posts)If God talks to you, that's schizophrenia.
Ahpook
(2,751 posts)When it can't be proven they go right to the slobbering and violence.
I think getting the orange asshole back in power is all that matters to them. They are also to stupid to understand what kind of country they ask for with shit like this.
johnnyplankton
(353 posts)Talk about a small, arrogant mind...
OMGWTF
(3,976 posts)No matter how fking stupid and ridiculous.
CharleyDog
(758 posts)them these lies for their political gain. Television heads backed up these lies and repeated them
24/7. This is brainwashing. Why do we allow our media to tell lies and destroy democracy?
BigmanPigman
(51,632 posts)Most of those who are into metaphysics believe that there is life after death in some form but they also say that there is no place such as the described "hell". They seem to think there is a loving environment but not a hate filled place. That is reserved for Earth since Earth is Hell to many who have experienced being out of the human body for any fragment of time. Religions want you to believe in Hell. It helps to control the masses and uses fear as a form of power.
shrike3
(3,803 posts)To me, it's thinking along the same lines as "karma." Most of the people I know who believe in "karma" seem to think it's a "goes around, comes around" thing. You do bad, and bad comes back to you. Which doesn't happen, of course. Sometimes it does, most of the time it doesn't. But people want to believe that justice will be done. For all of human history there have been terrible people who did terrible things and got away with it. I think there's a yearning for some kind of justice, if not in this life, then the next.
Mr.Bill
(24,330 posts)But, I can be respectful and tolerant of someone's religious beliefs. I can not be tolerant or respectful of belief in fake election fraud. The two are not even in the same ballpark.
PatrickforB
(14,592 posts)"Conflation Station."
PatrickforB
(14,592 posts)You can believe what you want. And please do give those who believe differently the same courtesy you'd expect for yourself.
Since I do believe, I will say that it is not God's fault that we are such a loathsome, greedy, wrathful, judgmental, wasteful and destructive species - a cancer on this planet. It is we who struggle with self-control, and that is not God's fault either. It is completely on us.
There is a psychological, or perhaps psychical, energy that is born everytime we have a feeling or thought. Sometimes the energy is good, sometimes bad. Collectively, this energy is very powerful. Trump unleashed a number of (figurative) 'demons' - Shakespeare called them 'the dogs of war,' and the bible calls them the 'four horsemen'. They are not beings but are collective energies - you might call it a sort of group-think, or even reference some of the studies on mob or crowd mentality.
These energies do exist and right now the energies of hatred, racism, genocide, anti-Semitism, white supremacy, the lust for war and others have been awakened. By Trump, who reportedly is a serious student of Adolph Hitler's speaking style and mannerisms, and whose father 'wore the hood.'
My father fought in the Battle for New Guinea in the Second World War. Upwards of sixty million lives were extinguished getting rid of these psychic energies, putting them to sleep and ending the Axis. Why do you think we had McArthur become the de facto emperor of Japan, and implemented a Marshall Plan, complete with systemic de-Nazification of Germany?
Because our leaders knew they had to put these 'volkish' master race, anti-Sematic, and anti-slavic energies to sleep. They had to end the lust for 'living space' and worship of war.
This is also why we instituted a Fairness Doctrine here, so that evil propagandists such as Joseph Goebbels could not gain a foothold here and awaken those sleeping energies. Until Ronald Reagan killed that doctrine in 1987, that is. Now we have Trump, a master propagandist propped up by Nazi wannabees like Bannon and Stephen Miller, and amplified by a for profit corporate funded media backed by a massive corporate funded right-wing radio and cable propaganda apparatus.
These dark energies have slept uneasily for decades, and now they are awake here, in Canada, in Brazil, in Scandanavia, Germany, the UK. Mussolini's original Fascist party is now in power in Italy.
The magats are not 'mindless.' They have been seduced, blinded by decades of right wing and conspiracy propaganda made possible by Lewis Powell's 1971 Memorandum to the US Chamber of Commerce, which lays out the entire plan for the corporate takeover of this republic.
We ourselves have allowed this to happen, and it is on us. As Joe Walsh once quipped, "God is busy!" And that is true. The solutions to this are on us.
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A very thoughtful analysis.
Galbraith said that conservatives seek "a moral justification for selfishness," and that's what Trump delivered like no other politician.
He said all the hateful, mean-spirited, racist, offensive thoughts ["grab them by the pussy"] and actions that give our "id" animal brain an excited kick . . . that became good in MAGA land. Trump convinced his followers that "Liberals have been shaming you into thinking you were bad" when they were in fact bad. Being bad means "owning the Libs."
grantcart
(53,061 posts)Trump rec'd 62 million votes in 2016.
Trump calculated that by hitting all the right wing notes he could increase that by 20%.
And he did just that receiving 74 million, more than Obama.
What he cannot comprehend is that the same strategy would increase the other side by 30%.
That is why MAGAts think there is something wrong, he increased his numbers by 20%, got 10 million more votes than President Obama and still lost by 7 million votes
Johonny
(20,890 posts)Mr.Mystery
(185 posts)Rejecting one non-rational belief system in no way means you can't embrace another one, just as embracing religion in no way condemns one to embrace MAGAtry . . .
Baggies
(503 posts)But to deal with the topic
2020 was a strange year. Campaigning was completely different than anything wed ever experienced. Many more people voted via mail-in ballot than ever before. The numbers that voted were way out of proportion than wed had in the past. Theres other things too numerous to mention that made the 2020 election very odd. I think that helped contribute greatly to much of what happened. If 2020 had just been another election year with the same results, I dont know that we would have seen all this. Of course, without being able to create a parallel universe to let it play out and see, none of us know for certain.