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Why MAGAts believe trump won (Original Post) 3825-87867 Nov 2022 OP
Anti-religious bigotry is bigotry. Just A Box Of Rain Nov 2022 #1
How do you get bigotry out of that? padfun Nov 2022 #3
Get real. The meme insults all people of faith. Just A Box Of Rain Nov 2022 #4
Thank you. shrike3 Nov 2022 #7
Religion has been around for as long as human sentience. dchill Nov 2022 #9
What you said here isn't offensive. Just A Box Of Rain Nov 2022 #18
My problem with faith has only to do with... dchill Nov 2022 #23
No difference between us here. Just A Box Of Rain Nov 2022 #24
Really? I recced the OP. I agree with it. dchill Nov 2022 #26
ditto tiredtoo Nov 2022 #17
Amen, brother. The last thing we need is a big public fight about God Mr.Mystery Nov 2022 #29
yup Skittles Nov 2022 #2
Your analogy doesn't hold up. live love laugh Nov 2022 #5
If nothing else, this is an insult to Dr. King, Rev. Barber, Rev. Warnock. Pres. Biden shrike3 Nov 2022 #6
Yes. TNNurse Nov 2022 #11
EXACTLY RIGHT . . . a lot of good people who fight for justice do so out of a grounding Mr.Mystery Nov 2022 #30
Forgot about Bishop Tutu; thanks for mentioning him. shrike3 Nov 2022 #31
If you talk to God, that's piety. cloudbase Nov 2022 #8
Spot on! WVreaper Nov 2022 #12
Agree debm55 Nov 2022 #14
Nah, they know he lost Ahpook Nov 2022 #10
+1, uponit7771 Nov 2022 #34
Yeah, that Martin Luther King was such a dope! johnnyplankton Nov 2022 #13
It's why they went after the Evangelicals -- they'll believe anything. OMGWTF Nov 2022 #15
MAGAts believe the election was stolen because their trusted leaders told CharleyDog Nov 2022 #16
And the same believe that Hell exists. BigmanPigman Nov 2022 #19
I disagree. shrike3 Nov 2022 #27
As an Atheist, I'm reluctant to jump into this. Mr.Bill Nov 2022 #20
Indeed. Two separate issues that have led us to what I lovingly call PatrickforB Nov 2022 #22
Some of us on here believe and may in fact be quite devout. PatrickforB Nov 2022 #21
+1 Mr.Mystery Nov 2022 #32
Not even close grantcart Nov 2022 #25
It's a cult Johonny Nov 2022 #28
Nazis believed all the shit they believed and were atheist for the most part. Mr.Mystery Nov 2022 #33
Immature Baggies Nov 2022 #35

dchill

(38,546 posts)
9. Religion has been around for as long as human sentience.
Mon Nov 7, 2022, 11:00 PM
Nov 2022

In all that time, no proof of any of it has surfaced. Faith is NOT FACT. I personally don't care who that statement offends. I'm sure they've all figured out how to deal with it.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
18. What you said here isn't offensive.
Mon Nov 7, 2022, 11:13 PM
Nov 2022

That stands in contrast to the meme in the OP.

Bigotry isn't okay because someone who is presumably on "our side" engages in it.

Certainly you agree?

dchill

(38,546 posts)
23. My problem with faith has only to do with...
Mon Nov 7, 2022, 11:53 PM
Nov 2022

... ANYONE who would pass a law based falsely on faith.

Listen, it don't really matter to me, baby
You believe what you want to believe
You see, you don't have to live like a refugee

shrike3

(3,803 posts)
6. If nothing else, this is an insult to Dr. King, Rev. Barber, Rev. Warnock. Pres. Biden
Mon Nov 7, 2022, 09:15 PM
Nov 2022

Speaker Pelosi and all other people of faith are fighting the good fight, including more than a few DUers.

TNNurse

(6,929 posts)
11. Yes.
Mon Nov 7, 2022, 11:01 PM
Nov 2022

Having faith and believing a proven liar and fraud are not the same.

One had actual evidence and they still believe.

Mr.Mystery

(185 posts)
30. EXACTLY RIGHT . . . a lot of good people who fight for justice do so out of a grounding
Tue Nov 8, 2022, 02:34 PM
Nov 2022

in their personal religious faith.

That would also include Desmond Tutu, the Kennedy brothers, Truman (who kissed the Bible upon his swearing in) and many of the Founders such as Washington (a devout Anglican) and Roosevelt who studied at Groton School under a religious headmaster who taught service for the poor.

Creating a rift between the believers and the atheists is absolutely unhelpful for our great cause of building a better society.

shrike3

(3,803 posts)
31. Forgot about Bishop Tutu; thanks for mentioning him.
Tue Nov 8, 2022, 02:39 PM
Nov 2022

Great, great man. Also the Kennedy brothers, and I also forgot about Truman.

People without faith and with faith can and should work together for the good of all.

Ahpook

(2,751 posts)
10. Nah, they know he lost
Mon Nov 7, 2022, 11:00 PM
Nov 2022

When it can't be proven they go right to the slobbering and violence.

I think getting the orange asshole back in power is all that matters to them. They are also to stupid to understand what kind of country they ask for with shit like this.

OMGWTF

(3,976 posts)
15. It's why they went after the Evangelicals -- they'll believe anything.
Mon Nov 7, 2022, 11:05 PM
Nov 2022

No matter how fking stupid and ridiculous.

CharleyDog

(758 posts)
16. MAGAts believe the election was stolen because their trusted leaders told
Mon Nov 7, 2022, 11:10 PM
Nov 2022

them these lies for their political gain. Television heads backed up these lies and repeated them
24/7. This is brainwashing. Why do we allow our media to tell lies and destroy democracy?

BigmanPigman

(51,632 posts)
19. And the same believe that Hell exists.
Mon Nov 7, 2022, 11:16 PM
Nov 2022

Most of those who are into metaphysics believe that there is life after death in some form but they also say that there is no place such as the described "hell". They seem to think there is a loving environment but not a hate filled place. That is reserved for Earth since Earth is Hell to many who have experienced being out of the human body for any fragment of time. Religions want you to believe in Hell. It helps to control the masses and uses fear as a form of power.

shrike3

(3,803 posts)
27. I disagree.
Tue Nov 8, 2022, 11:25 AM
Nov 2022

To me, it's thinking along the same lines as "karma." Most of the people I know who believe in "karma" seem to think it's a "goes around, comes around" thing. You do bad, and bad comes back to you. Which doesn't happen, of course. Sometimes it does, most of the time it doesn't. But people want to believe that justice will be done. For all of human history there have been terrible people who did terrible things and got away with it. I think there's a yearning for some kind of justice, if not in this life, then the next.

Mr.Bill

(24,330 posts)
20. As an Atheist, I'm reluctant to jump into this.
Mon Nov 7, 2022, 11:20 PM
Nov 2022

But, I can be respectful and tolerant of someone's religious beliefs. I can not be tolerant or respectful of belief in fake election fraud. The two are not even in the same ballpark.

PatrickforB

(14,592 posts)
21. Some of us on here believe and may in fact be quite devout.
Mon Nov 7, 2022, 11:25 PM
Nov 2022

You can believe what you want. And please do give those who believe differently the same courtesy you'd expect for yourself.

Since I do believe, I will say that it is not God's fault that we are such a loathsome, greedy, wrathful, judgmental, wasteful and destructive species - a cancer on this planet. It is we who struggle with self-control, and that is not God's fault either. It is completely on us.

There is a psychological, or perhaps psychical, energy that is born everytime we have a feeling or thought. Sometimes the energy is good, sometimes bad. Collectively, this energy is very powerful. Trump unleashed a number of (figurative) 'demons' - Shakespeare called them 'the dogs of war,' and the bible calls them the 'four horsemen'. They are not beings but are collective energies - you might call it a sort of group-think, or even reference some of the studies on mob or crowd mentality.

These energies do exist and right now the energies of hatred, racism, genocide, anti-Semitism, white supremacy, the lust for war and others have been awakened. By Trump, who reportedly is a serious student of Adolph Hitler's speaking style and mannerisms, and whose father 'wore the hood.'

My father fought in the Battle for New Guinea in the Second World War. Upwards of sixty million lives were extinguished getting rid of these psychic energies, putting them to sleep and ending the Axis. Why do you think we had McArthur become the de facto emperor of Japan, and implemented a Marshall Plan, complete with systemic de-Nazification of Germany?

Because our leaders knew they had to put these 'volkish' master race, anti-Sematic, and anti-slavic energies to sleep. They had to end the lust for 'living space' and worship of war.

This is also why we instituted a Fairness Doctrine here, so that evil propagandists such as Joseph Goebbels could not gain a foothold here and awaken those sleeping energies. Until Ronald Reagan killed that doctrine in 1987, that is. Now we have Trump, a master propagandist propped up by Nazi wannabees like Bannon and Stephen Miller, and amplified by a for profit corporate funded media backed by a massive corporate funded right-wing radio and cable propaganda apparatus.

These dark energies have slept uneasily for decades, and now they are awake here, in Canada, in Brazil, in Scandanavia, Germany, the UK. Mussolini's original Fascist party is now in power in Italy.

The magats are not 'mindless.' They have been seduced, blinded by decades of right wing and conspiracy propaganda made possible by Lewis Powell's 1971 Memorandum to the US Chamber of Commerce, which lays out the entire plan for the corporate takeover of this republic.

We ourselves have allowed this to happen, and it is on us. As Joe Walsh once quipped, "God is busy!" And that is true. The solutions to this are on us.

Mr.Mystery

(185 posts)
32. +1
Tue Nov 8, 2022, 02:44 PM
Nov 2022

Last edited Tue Nov 8, 2022, 03:46 PM - Edit history (2)

A very thoughtful analysis.

Galbraith said that conservatives seek "a moral justification for selfishness," and that's what Trump delivered like no other politician.

He said all the hateful, mean-spirited, racist, offensive thoughts ["grab them by the pussy"] and actions that give our "id" animal brain an excited kick . . . that became good in MAGA land. Trump convinced his followers that "Liberals have been shaming you into thinking you were bad" when they were in fact bad. Being bad means "owning the Libs."

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
25. Not even close
Mon Nov 7, 2022, 11:59 PM
Nov 2022

Trump rec'd 62 million votes in 2016.

Trump calculated that by hitting all the right wing notes he could increase that by 20%.

And he did just that receiving 74 million, more than Obama.

What he cannot comprehend is that the same strategy would increase the other side by 30%.

That is why MAGAts think there is something wrong, he increased his numbers by 20%, got 10 million more votes than President Obama and still lost by 7 million votes

Mr.Mystery

(185 posts)
33. Nazis believed all the shit they believed and were atheist for the most part.
Tue Nov 8, 2022, 03:42 PM
Nov 2022

Rejecting one non-rational belief system in no way means you can't embrace another one, just as embracing religion in no way condemns one to embrace MAGAtry . . .

Baggies

(503 posts)
35. Immature
Tue Nov 8, 2022, 04:52 PM
Nov 2022

But to deal with the topic…

2020 was a strange year. Campaigning was completely different than anything we’d ever experienced. Many more people voted via mail-in ballot than ever before. The numbers that voted were way out of proportion than we’d had in the past. There’s other things too numerous to mention that made the 2020 election very odd. I think that helped contribute greatly to much of what happened. If 2020 had just been another election year with the same results, I don’t know that we would have seen all this. Of course, without being able to create a parallel universe to let it play out and see, none of us know for certain.

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