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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(109,295 posts)
Fri Nov 4, 2022, 01:58 PM Nov 2022

'The election was unconstitutional': Oaf Creeper Stewart Rhodes testimony goes off the rails

Oath Keepers leader Stewart Rhodes took the witness stand on Friday and declared that he supported a "right to riot" while also declaring the 2020 presidential election "unconstitutional."

Politico's Kyle Cheney reports that Rhodes, who is on trial for allegedly engaging in a seditious conspiracy for his role in instigating the deadly January 6 Capitol riots, made a Freudian slip on Friday when he told the court that "I support the right to riot," before he quickly caught himself and said he supported the right to protest.

After this, Rhodes' attorney asked him to discuss his feelings about the 2020 election, and Rhodes didn't hide that he believed it to be wholly illegitimate.

"I believe the election was unconstitutional," he said. "That made it invalid."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/the-election-was-unconstitutional-oath-keeper-stewart-rhodes-testimony-goes-off-the-rails/ar-AA13KeQa?cvid=be8e56aebf734850b96fd906ef52911c

To paraphrase Mark Twain, it's better to have people think you're a dumbass than to open your mouth and prove it.

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'The election was unconstitutional': Oaf Creeper Stewart Rhodes testimony goes off the rails (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2022 OP
What a maroon. MontanaMama Nov 2022 #1
I think you'll like this better. ... aggiesal Nov 2022 #15
Oh that'll help his case. louis-t Nov 2022 #2
Proving Mark Twain correct....Rhodes is a DUMBASS! ProudMNDemocrat Nov 2022 #3
I know how the prosecuting attorneys will be spending their weekend gratuitous Nov 2022 #4
You mean after they stop laughing, high fiving and toasting? Wounded Bear Nov 2022 #9
So, if I think I have the "right" to be filthy rich, I can just knock some heads and take their $$$ hlthe2b Nov 2022 #5
LIKE republianmushroom Nov 2022 #6
I am pleased to rec this post based on "oaf keeper." NNadir Nov 2022 #7
It's "Oaf Creeper" mountain grammy Nov 2022 #25
True, dat! NNadir Nov 2022 #34
If I remember correctly, his family was terrified of him. I'm sure they are watching this closely. Frustratedlady Nov 2022 #8
Oh, I forgot he was THAT guy! ShazzieB Nov 2022 #28
Thank you for posting that link. It is amazing those kids have turned out so well...or at least it Frustratedlady Nov 2022 #50
One riot, one Ranger Ilsa Nov 2022 #10
Hear that? Aviation Pro Nov 2022 #11
Bite me, Elmer. LudwigPastorius Nov 2022 #12
Prison won't be too bad for him. intheflow Nov 2022 #51
That jury better find him GUILTY James48 Nov 2022 #13
Both Could Be True nt SoCalDavidS Nov 2022 #18
If I were his Attorney.... SergeStorms Nov 2022 #14
Unfortunately... MontanaMama Nov 2022 #17
Thing is, he doesn't need the eye patch. SergeStorms Nov 2022 #40
Seriously? He doesn't need it? MontanaMama Nov 2022 #45
No, his eye is intact. SergeStorms Nov 2022 #47
Elections are unconstitutional IronLionZion Nov 2022 #16
Aw, baby learned a new word, and it's got a whole bunch of syllables Warpy Nov 2022 #19
Indentured servants. SergeStorms Nov 2022 #41
Being "transported" to either America or Austraila was the only alternatve Warpy Nov 2022 #48
Maybe your family owned mine. SergeStorms Nov 2022 #49
There is hope that descendants of slaves with African ancestry can know Warpy Nov 2022 #53
Eye Patch Elmer shows how to fuck yourself rsdsharp Nov 2022 #20
The Jokes Write Themselves MayReasonRule Nov 2022 #21
So is he changing his defense to insanity? LOL. Vinca Nov 2022 #22
Lincoln... Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt. TeamProg Nov 2022 #23
The saying has been credited to both Lincoln and Twain Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2022 #24
Ken Burns, in 2001 a companion book, a section titled "What Twain Didn't Say" TeamProg Nov 2022 #29
And which court were you on that decided that, Mr. Rhodes? jmowreader Nov 2022 #26
Also, "It's easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled." ancianita Nov 2022 #27
Or this one, MarineCombatEngineer Nov 2022 #52
You'd think that any defense attorney worth a crap... boyedav1969 Nov 2022 #30
It's a Hail Mary... Ohio Joe Nov 2022 #39
Oh, I don't know. SergeStorms Nov 2022 #42
If it turns out that way... Ohio Joe Nov 2022 #44
Hey, I'm wrong a lot... SergeStorms Nov 2022 #46
Prosecutor will say bluestarone Nov 2022 #31
Now all we need is all of the jurors having a different KPN Nov 2022 #32
So far juries Elessar Zappa Nov 2022 #36
That's what could be problematic LiberalLovinLug Nov 2022 #37
Before he became a terrorist, did he hold a job with the job description, moron? NQAS Nov 2022 #33
Some lines of DNA BlueIdaho Nov 2022 #35
He definitely resides... SergeStorms Nov 2022 #43
60 court judges, AG Barr, all 50 states' Governors & Secretaries of State,... Septua Nov 2022 #38

ProudMNDemocrat

(17,228 posts)
3. Proving Mark Twain correct....Rhodes is a DUMBASS!
Fri Nov 4, 2022, 02:01 PM
Nov 2022

Who will find himself in Federal prison for at least 20 years for Seditious Conspiracy.

Throw TDFG in there as well. His turn is coming.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
4. I know how the prosecuting attorneys will be spending their weekend
Fri Nov 4, 2022, 02:04 PM
Nov 2022

I don't know if much cross-examination will be required or if they'll let Elmer's own "friendly" testimony speak for him, but the attorneys for the prosecution could have much fun getting Elmer to flesh out his remarks.

"Now, Mr. Rhodes, you have a law degree, isn't that correct? Is it fair to say that you know more about the law and its interpretation and application than the average person? On Friday, you testified that the 2020 election was unconstitutional and invalid. Can you tell this court and the members of the jury just where in the Constitution or case law the very clear language of Article II Section 1 for electing a president and vice president are repealed?"

hlthe2b

(102,968 posts)
5. So, if I think I have the "right" to be filthy rich, I can just knock some heads and take their $$$
Fri Nov 4, 2022, 02:09 PM
Nov 2022

Right, Stewie?

 

NNadir

(33,642 posts)
7. I am pleased to rec this post based on "oaf keeper."
Fri Nov 4, 2022, 02:16 PM
Nov 2022

For my money you win the award for "Great Locution of the Day"

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
8. If I remember correctly, his family was terrified of him. I'm sure they are watching this closely.
Fri Nov 4, 2022, 02:17 PM
Nov 2022

If he isn't sent to prison, they will have plenty to worry about. His sudden finding Christ moment is a bit hard to believe.

ShazzieB

(16,943 posts)
28. Oh, I forgot he was THAT guy!
Fri Nov 4, 2022, 03:43 PM
Nov 2022

I remember bits and pieces of that story. His teenage kids reported the threats he was making, and his wife was afraid of him, too?

Oh yeah, I just found a story about the kids:

In February, Hatewatch met with and interviewed Rhodes’ adult children: son Dakota Adams, 24, and daughters Sedona Adams, 23, and Sequoia Adams, 19, in Kalispell, Montana. Rhodes and his ex-wife, Tasha Adams, have three other children who are still minors, and are not included in this interview.

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2022/05/12/exclusive-oath-keepers-leader-stewart-rhodes-children-speak

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
50. Thank you for posting that link. It is amazing those kids have turned out so well...or at least it
Fri Nov 4, 2022, 11:57 PM
Nov 2022

looks that way. It makes you wonder how many others have lived through their personal hell because of the control their parents need to be happy. Trying to escape from his control was scary. Makes me wonder if the police were members of his gang/group when they didn't appear with the restraining order.

It would be interesting to know how much money they collected through GUFUNDME scams. But, then, Trump did/and is doing the same thing. How many others were doing the same?

I hope the kids and his ex are safe and can have a decent life. He sounds like a terrible mess inside.

Ilsa

(61,731 posts)
10. One riot, one Ranger
Fri Nov 4, 2022, 02:24 PM
Nov 2022

"One Riot, One Ranger is a bronze statue of a Texas Ranger, installed from 1961 to 2020 at Dallas Love Field, named for the famous story of Bill McDonald, a captain of Ranger Company B, in the 1900s who by himself broke up an illegal boxing match in the U.S. state of Texas."

Too bad Stew didn't have a run-in with Texas Ranger McDonald.

Aviation Pro

(12,404 posts)
11. Hear that?
Fri Nov 4, 2022, 02:37 PM
Nov 2022

That’s the sound of ADX Florence beckoning you, you one-eyed shitstain. Maybe you can make friends with Ted.

LudwigPastorius

(9,475 posts)
12. Bite me, Elmer.
Fri Nov 4, 2022, 02:37 PM
Nov 2022

Your jabroni friends may think you're some kind of bad-ass leader because of the big talk and the eye patch, but you are, in fact, nothing but a traitorous asshole who is going to have a very hard time in prison.

intheflow

(28,555 posts)
51. Prison won't be too bad for him.
Sat Nov 5, 2022, 10:22 AM
Nov 2022

He'll hook up with a white supremacist gang, he'll be their hero for being politically persecuted for his beliefs.

SergeStorms

(19,217 posts)
40. Thing is, he doesn't need the eye patch.
Fri Nov 4, 2022, 05:04 PM
Nov 2022

He just thinks it makes him look dangerous and tough. 🙄 He is, without a doubt, the biggest jackass outside of Mar-ma-lardo or whatever that place is called.

MontanaMama

(23,422 posts)
45. Seriously? He doesn't need it?
Fri Nov 4, 2022, 06:53 PM
Nov 2022

My gawd what a maroon.

I call that place Maga Lardo. We’re all talking about the same shithole.

SergeStorms

(19,217 posts)
47. No, his eye is intact.
Fri Nov 4, 2022, 07:14 PM
Nov 2022

And he can actually see quite well with it. Like I said, it's all part of his "bad dude" costume. 🙄 What a jacksss.

IronLionZion

(45,880 posts)
16. Elections are unconstitutional
Fri Nov 4, 2022, 02:59 PM
Nov 2022

if you're using the alternative constitution that exists only in the imaginations of loony MAGAts.

Warpy

(111,766 posts)
19. Aw, baby learned a new word, and it's got a whole bunch of syllables
Fri Nov 4, 2022, 03:14 PM
Nov 2022

He has no fucking clue in the world what he's talking about.

These lunatics want everything that was written after 1789 to be tossed out, I guess. They have no clue that if that were to happen, they'd be the slaves, 3/5 of a citizen, unable to vote unless they held clear title to land. It would be nice if someone would explain the concept behind amendments and the body of law to him and how they directly benefit him, but I doubt he'd listen.

He done got him a six syllable word and he's gonna stick to it.

SergeStorms

(19,217 posts)
41. Indentured servants.
Fri Nov 4, 2022, 05:28 PM
Nov 2022

How many people of European descent even know what that term means? Chances are, if your ancestors came to this country well before the Revolutionary War, they were indentured servants. They were either convicted criminals, willing to come to the "new world" (to the indigenous people of this land it was "the world" ) for a minimum of seven years of free labor to the land owner who purchased their indenture.
Others just wanted to escape Europe, for whatever reason, and their term of indentured servitude was usually four to six years.
In essence they were just as enslaved as African slaves, but had the promise of one day being released from indenture.
My ancestors were indentured servants who came from England, not as criminals, but as people who wanted a chance for new life away from the reach of Kings and religious persecution. They were granted their freedom after having served their indenture, and later fought in the Revolutionary War against the British.
So many of these numbskulls - who think themselves so very pure and entitled - had ancestors who were slaves.

Warpy

(111,766 posts)
48. Being "transported" to either America or Austraila was the only alternatve
Fri Nov 4, 2022, 08:22 PM
Nov 2022

to the hangman in a lot of those cases. The only branch of my family here in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries were Dutchmen who probably used some of these indentured servants in upstate New York. Like laves in the south, they were bought and sold, a servant's remaining time sold to someone else if the first owner needed fast money.

The difference was that any children born to married indentured servants were not the property of the master and weren't chattel.

The concept of one's fellow citizens being trash originated in England and sending the trash offshore was very popular. Making some of the expense of that back by selling them to temporary owners was also popular.

Everybody made out like bandits but the people who were thrown off small holding farms by the series of Enclosure Laws, with no option but to flock into already overcrowded cities where there were no jobs or infrastructure for them.

SergeStorms

(19,217 posts)
49. Maybe your family owned mine.
Fri Nov 4, 2022, 09:02 PM
Nov 2022

Well, held the indenture anyway. 😉 They came to America in 1719 and were indentured to a family named Stanley. After they worked off their indenture they settled in the Sleepy Hollow/Tarrytown, NY. area. They were tailors by trade, so I imagine working off their indenture was work that was quite foreign to them.

My Aunt and Uncle, both retired professionals in medicine, did the complete family history in 1962. She wanted her daughter to be able to join the DAR (for some reason I never discovered) so there's quite a bit of documentation that needs to be fulfilled in that pursuit. We have a hard-copy book researched by a professional genealogist with all the family information in it, for what that's worth. It never did anything for me. 😉

It's pretty fascinating stuff, though, and I'm happy they both traveled Europe and gathered the information. It's nice to know your roots. I think of all the people from Africa whose history was taken from them, and feel great sadness. Most of them will never know.

Anyway, many people have no knowledge of this "special" path to the new world, and maybe they'd be a little more accepting of others if it turned out to be part of their history.

Take care.

Warpy

(111,766 posts)
53. There is hope that descendants of slaves with African ancestry can know
Sat Nov 5, 2022, 04:06 PM
Nov 2022

a little more than they do through DNA testing that nails down specific region instead of just saying "African." I don't think they can nail it down to tribe yet, but the African Genome Project will probably allow that in years to come.

Ah, the DAR. They contacted my mother when she was in her late teens to apply for membership. She said OK, knowing full well that the sour Dutchmen who had once owned indentured servants also fought on the wrong side, but she thought the genealogy would be interesting. She found the whole thing overlong and very intrusive, so when she got to "list your hobbies," she looked up at her shelf of piggy banks and wrote "I keep pigs." She never heard from them again.

 

TeamProg

(6,630 posts)
23. Lincoln... Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.
Fri Nov 4, 2022, 03:26 PM
Nov 2022

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.
— ABRAHAM LINCOLN.

 

TeamProg

(6,630 posts)
29. Ken Burns, in 2001 a companion book, a section titled "What Twain Didn't Say"
Fri Nov 4, 2022, 03:47 PM
Nov 2022
Yes, https://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/05/17/remain-silent/ Then read further down..

When Ken Burns filmed a documentary about Mark Twain in 2001 a companion book was released, and it listed the following version of the quote in a section titled “What Twain Didn’t Say”: [4]

Better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt.




- Perhaps not Lincoln, either !

jmowreader

(50,702 posts)
26. And which court were you on that decided that, Mr. Rhodes?
Fri Nov 4, 2022, 03:41 PM
Nov 2022

Under Rhodes' unusual legal theory, I could just walk into his house, tell him I believe his title deed is invalid, and he'd just pack his shit and leave.

ancianita

(36,492 posts)
27. Also, "It's easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled."
Fri Nov 4, 2022, 03:42 PM
Nov 2022

"I believe" were the only true words he said. A Yale law grad, no less. Like they say -- from Yale to jail.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,706 posts)
52. Or this one,
Sat Nov 5, 2022, 10:31 AM
Nov 2022

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit."

Obviously he doesn't have the brilliance, so he resorts to bullshit, which won't go over well with the jury.

boyedav1969

(97 posts)
30. You'd think that any defense attorney worth a crap...
Fri Nov 4, 2022, 03:47 PM
Nov 2022

...would be advising these guys not to take the stand on their own behalf. Even if they had anything to say that would really benefit them, so many of them tend to be loose cannons. Just about the only reason for them to take the stand is if they're going to lie and/or if they think they can out smart everyone else in the room. So yeah, pleeeeease take the stand.

Of course, it's not like they're going to take the advice of their lawyer anyway.

Ohio Joe

(21,799 posts)
39. It's a Hail Mary...
Fri Nov 4, 2022, 05:01 PM
Nov 2022

They knew they were fucked once the prosecution finished. Him talking can’t make it worse so they give it a shot. He’ll be destroyed on cross examination.

SergeStorms

(19,217 posts)
42. Oh, I don't know.
Fri Nov 4, 2022, 05:35 PM
Nov 2022

I think he made it worse. He might as well have asked for the maximum sentence allowable with his litte tirade.

KPN

(15,721 posts)
32. Now all we need is all of the jurors having a different
Fri Nov 4, 2022, 04:12 PM
Nov 2022

belief than him that the election was “wholly illegitimate”. What are the chances of that? I have to wonder. Just me having a couple of siblings out of 8 who believe the election was stolen based on “the math just doesn’t add up” in their heads makes me nervous.

Elessar Zappa

(14,280 posts)
36. So far juries
Fri Nov 4, 2022, 04:32 PM
Nov 2022

have done their jobs regarding Jan 6th defendants. I don’t think there’s been one “not guilty” verdict.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,207 posts)
37. That's what could be problematic
Fri Nov 4, 2022, 04:39 PM
Nov 2022

If its not Trump cult indoctrinated judges, its Trump cult indoctrinated jurors.

Even a decade ago, I wouldn't worry about some random RW whackjob left on a jury, because they were more rare and easy to weed out. Even if they weren't, not many cases would be sagataged, because there simply wasn't the level of indoctrination there is now. Now, in a new normal, being a Republican means that you not only claim to adhere to conservative values of God, guns, and family, but also have a mission to defeat Democrats in every and any way you can. Lying about your intentions to get a positive ruling is inspired from no less than members of the SCOTUS. Or refusing to allow an anonymous decision when guilt is clearly obvious. This is now a real threat to justice.

NQAS

(10,749 posts)
33. Before he became a terrorist, did he hold a job with the job description, moron?
Fri Nov 4, 2022, 04:21 PM
Nov 2022

I mean, really, how can anyone be this stupid?

SergeStorms

(19,217 posts)
43. He definitely resides...
Fri Nov 4, 2022, 05:40 PM
Nov 2022

within the shallow end of the gene pool, yet he believes himself to be presidential material.

Well, it worked for Trump, so I guess I see where he might get that idea.

Septua

(2,304 posts)
38. 60 court judges, AG Barr, all 50 states' Governors & Secretaries of State,...
Fri Nov 4, 2022, 04:54 PM
Nov 2022

..all of Trump's White House Counsel, his Director of Cybersecurity, etc didn't believe the election was unconstitutional or rigged.

If there had been the slightest hint of verifiable illegality with the election, Trump would be in the White House. You'd think a fucking lawyer (Rhodes) knows the difference between what you believe and what you can prove.

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