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Nevilledog

(51,102 posts)
Fri Sep 16, 2022, 10:47 PM Sep 2022

Josh Marshall: Doesn't Add Up (chartered flight to Martha's Vineyard)

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/doesnt-add-up

Most of the news discussion about the DeSantis/Martha’s Vineyard saga appears to have moved on to chin-scratching pieces about what it all means and how the politics might shake out. That’s premature. The fact that DeSantis would pull a stunt like this is entirely unsurprising if also morally obscene. But if it was his work why did he fly migrants from Texas? There’s been no clear or really any explanation for why this would be the case. DeSantis won’t discuss it. It seems clear that this wasn’t arranged by actual government employees. At a minimum it was delegated to private parties who quite possibly broke a few laws to do it. The woman “Perla” seems to have disappeared and gave one migrant a card with only her first name and a phone number. That’s not a government employee, at least not one working on the books.

Something’s amiss here. An independent publication called San Antonio Report has been publishing some of the clearest and most relevant detail about the story. A new piece from a few hours ago explains some details about the charter jet that ferried the migrants. It brings up another odd detail. The charter company is a luxury private jet company that normally caters to corporate executives and sports teams. Why that company? One possible clue is provided by the San Antonio Report article: Ultimate Air Shuttle flies frequently to Martha’s Vineyard. The planes used usually work the east coast, not Texas.

This afternoon a number of publications reported that a week ago Florida hired a Florida-based aviation company called Vertol Systems Company Inc to run its immigrant relocation program, making an initial payment of $615,000. Most of these publications have assumed that company ran the flights to Martha’s Vineyard. But that’s not the case. It was Ultimate Air, as we noted above. It’s possible that Vertol subcontracted the flights to Ultimate Air. But why? It has its own fleet of planes and Ultimate Air doesn’t usually operate those specific planes in Texas. And if it’s subcontracting, why would it do so to a company for high-end executive air travel?

Basically nothing about this story adds up. The details don’t make any sense. It looks like an off the books operation possibly funded by the state of Florida but maybe not? I can’t explain DeSantis would say if it’s his operation if it weren’t. And I’m not saying it’s not. But really, none of this adds up.

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Josh Marshall: Doesn't Add Up (chartered flight to Martha's Vineyard) (Original Post) Nevilledog Sep 2022 OP
K&R Solly Mack Sep 2022 #1
Possibly an in-your-face to libs AND to TX Gov. Abbott? tanyev Sep 2022 #2
Agreed. Something is fishy. hamsterjill Sep 2022 #3
You mean DeSantis? Nevilledog Sep 2022 #9
No, I think Abbott and DeSantis probably consulted one another on this hamsterjill Sep 2022 #10
Abbott has denied any knowledge. Nevilledog Sep 2022 #11
The louder he denies something, the more likely it's true. hamsterjill Sep 2022 #12
Eww reviews say it was disgusting and lacked security screening. Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2022 #13
I dunno. hamsterjill Sep 2022 #14
If it WASN'T actually the state of FL or TX that paid for it, but rather, say, a Repuke pol's PAC RockRaven Sep 2022 #4
GET THE plane serial number and check the filed FAA flight paths Historic NY Sep 2022 #5
Stunts 'R Us taint cheap. rubbersole Sep 2022 #6
It certainly would be cheap if, say, you used federal coronavirus relief money... Brother Buzz Sep 2022 #8
That's what it's for, silly. rubbersole Sep 2022 #15
ha-ha-ha. I'm laughing my ass off as everyone is falling over themselves Baitball Blogger Sep 2022 #7

tanyev

(42,556 posts)
2. Possibly an in-your-face to libs AND to TX Gov. Abbott?
Fri Sep 16, 2022, 10:55 PM
Sep 2022

Hard to believe Abbott would help DeSantis out-stunt his own stunts.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
3. Agreed. Something is fishy.
Fri Sep 16, 2022, 11:01 PM
Sep 2022

I dug a little yesterday and it looks like Ultimate Air is out of Ohio. I can’t find a listing for this specific company (even for an out of state business) with the Comptroller of Public Accounts in Texas, so I wonder if they used an Ohio based company for a reason.

Here’s the company’s “about us” information. I didn’t recognize any of the leadership team as being well know Republicans (who Abbott might swing business to), but who knows.


https://flyuj.com/about-us/

All speculation on my part at this point. No way of knowing if this is the actual company but it fits.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
10. No, I think Abbott and DeSantis probably consulted one another on this
Fri Sep 16, 2022, 11:42 PM
Sep 2022

I understand DeSantis’ part in this. But Abbott has some connection because of the fact that the migrants were in Texas, not Florida, and the plane left from San Antonio.

My opinion for what its worth

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
12. The louder he denies something, the more likely it's true.
Fri Sep 16, 2022, 11:54 PM
Sep 2022

Typical Republican tactic.

Here’s a link to a local story on this. This may have already been posted as I know it was referenced.

https://sanantonioreport.org/kelly-field-san-antonio-ron-desantis-migrants-flight-marthas-vineyard/?amp

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
13. Eww reviews say it was disgusting and lacked security screening.
Fri Sep 16, 2022, 11:55 PM
Sep 2022

Wonder if they were chosen because 1) airlines needed income so agreed to do it for low fee and who cares about migrants comfort and security 2) Airlines is definitely a one-off outfit which offered some degree of down low.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
14. I dunno.
Fri Sep 16, 2022, 11:58 PM
Sep 2022

But I think we all DO know that there is a lot more to this than what Abbott and DeSantis are saying.

And there’s some financial aspect to it. There always is with a Republican.

RockRaven

(14,966 posts)
4. If it WASN'T actually the state of FL or TX that paid for it, but rather, say, a Repuke pol's PAC
Fri Sep 16, 2022, 11:03 PM
Sep 2022

how would that change the analysis of whether or not a crime was committed? Would it make a difference?

Brother Buzz

(36,427 posts)
8. It certainly would be cheap if, say, you used federal coronavirus relief money...
Fri Sep 16, 2022, 11:30 PM
Sep 2022

as your private slush fund.

Baitball Blogger

(46,705 posts)
7. ha-ha-ha. I'm laughing my ass off as everyone is falling over themselves
Fri Sep 16, 2022, 11:27 PM
Sep 2022

trying to make any legal sense of what a Florida Republican governor is doing.

Hint: Nothing they do will make legal sense. The question is, will someone hold them accountable. The FBI usually looks the other way, which is why the Florida corruption is now spreading to other states.

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