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samplegirl

(11,530 posts)
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 06:42 AM Sep 2022

Hillary Clinton's take on secret documents

Hillary Clinton was on the View yesterday and said when she was Secretary of State all papers that were top secret had to be viewed in a secure room or if it was imperative she reviewed top secret papers a man brought them to her in a brief case that was hand cuffed to his wrist and she had to give them back after she reviewed them.

Hillary was amazed trump could get those documents. Where was the man with the briefcase? What happened to him?

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Hillary Clinton's take on secret documents (Original Post) samplegirl Sep 2022 OP
I think we were expecting too much of a guy who throws ketchup on the walls in the dining room Walleye Sep 2022 #1
Lindsey stole the handcuffs... rubbersole Sep 2022 #2
Most Likey samplegirl Sep 2022 #6
Love it! llmart Sep 2022 #11
🤣 Heather MC Sep 2022 #15
No one is answering this question. And it is not about tfg. It is about Scrivener7 Sep 2022 #3
Exactly. Trump's flunkies gave him anything he wanted because he threw temper tantrums. Lonestarblue Sep 2022 #4
+1 2naSalit Sep 2022 #9
Or if they are out of government now Captain Zero Sep 2022 #20
Was the man military? Deb Sep 2022 #5
What difference would Trump's title make? wnylib Sep 2022 #19
She had to sign off on them too. LiberalFighter Sep 2022 #7
This too, very importantly. Chain of custody, which of course Hortensis Sep 2022 #23
There are two sets of rules, blue rules and red rules. jaxexpat Sep 2022 #8
I had a TS/SCI clearance for over a decade including a NATO clearance ... aggiesal Sep 2022 #10
You were neither SOS nor President obamanut2012 Sep 2022 #25
I agree, but the information is the same ... aggiesal Sep 2022 #29
Hillary is right. That was the question True Blue American Sep 2022 #12
Or possibly trump's DNI. Ratcliff. it's a question which lingers in my mind. msfiddlestix Sep 2022 #14
Ratcliff? possibly. Would Trump's DNI have the remit? msfiddlestix Sep 2022 #13
Trump musclecar6 Sep 2022 #16
Oh the Nurenburg defense,... magicarpet Sep 2022 #17
Last I heard, guy with handcuffs 3Hotdogs Sep 2022 #18
LOL! True Blue American Sep 2022 #28
I suspect they are known to DOJ and may appear as witnesses Raven123 Sep 2022 #21
Is there anyone here that doesn't think that it was an inside (NARA) job? G2theD Sep 2022 #22
So, you are now blaming the NARA archivists and librarians obamanut2012 Sep 2022 #26
I'm only blaming the person that did it, not NARA. G2theD Sep 2022 #27
For this thread LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2022 #24

Walleye

(31,151 posts)
1. I think we were expecting too much of a guy who throws ketchup on the walls in the dining room
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 06:44 AM
Sep 2022

TFG Never had any respect for laws or procedures or people who follow them.

llmart

(15,567 posts)
11. Love it!
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 08:19 AM
Sep 2022

I still laugh out loud at that twitter video of Kavanaugh's hearing, "Gulp Fiction". There's a brief shot of Lindsey.

Scrivener7

(51,087 posts)
3. No one is answering this question. And it is not about tfg. It is about
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 07:11 AM
Sep 2022

the really dangerous systemic corruption he ushered in and that may still be in place.

It is one of the two most important questions in this crime, along with the question of who saw the documents.

Everyone who did not follow protocol with ALL of those documents who is still in their jobs needs to be fired.

Lonestarblue

(10,162 posts)
4. Exactly. Trump's flunkies gave him anything he wanted because he threw temper tantrums.
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 07:18 AM
Sep 2022

And some of them are still in government, like the Inspector General who covered up the erasure of Secret Service records for January 6. He should have been fired months ago.

Captain Zero

(6,867 posts)
20. Or if they are out of government now
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 09:25 AM
Sep 2022

They should never be allowed back. Even after their prison sentence is complete.

wnylib

(21,785 posts)
19. What difference would Trump's title make?
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 09:13 AM
Sep 2022

They are still top secret documents that require top secret handling.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
23. This too, very importantly. Chain of custody, which of course
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 09:38 AM
Sep 2022

includes a record of all who handle and access.

jaxexpat

(6,881 posts)
8. There are two sets of rules, blue rules and red rules.
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 08:02 AM
Sep 2022

These rules apply to:
top secret document access
straight-up news reporting
polls interpretations
presidential popularity
responsibility for economic improvement or recession
gasoline prices
executive performance of illegal actions
executive lying event determination
judges and USSC nominees
public calls for violent rebellion
stable international relations
morally acceptable behavior

aggiesal

(8,958 posts)
10. I had a TS/SCI clearance for over a decade including a NATO clearance ...
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 08:15 AM
Sep 2022

I never had a person with a handcuffed briefcase.
I would even create TS docs and send them to security to enter them into the system.

If I wanted to walk out with TS docs, I could have done it easily, except with NATO, they'll search your underwear if they needed to.
I had to turn over anything that had memory in it, including digital watches and calculators, newspapers, personal mail, anything with my name on it, before entering the facility.

aggiesal

(8,958 posts)
29. I agree, but the information is the same ...
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 11:48 AM
Sep 2022

TS/SCI Comms (SigInt), very protected.
I could have created the info that the Pres & SOS are reviewing.

True Blue American

(17,996 posts)
12. Hillary is right. That was the question
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 08:34 AM
Sep 2022

I asked from the beginning. Who gave him the documents? They are traitors guilty of espionage. No one was minding the store.

musclecar6

(1,693 posts)
16. Trump
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 08:55 AM
Sep 2022



Should have been fired via the impeachment process not once but twice. The democrats and a small group of republicans got that, but unfortunately there were too many republicans that couldn’t get it together to do the right thing. He got impeached in the house but the Senate didn’t step up to the plate and convict him.

So once again in his crazy life, he gets away with it and it emboldens him to continue down the same path, ergo the documents craziness. He thinks he’s Teflon Don and can do whatever he wants and unfortunately so far he’s right.

magicarpet

(14,219 posts)
17. Oh the Nurenburg defense,...
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 08:57 AM
Sep 2022

Sir - I was just following orders from my commanding officer.

Bullshit.

Your loyalty does not belong to the man. Your loyalty does not belong to the individual. You loyalty and allegience belongs to to the country. To protect, and defend, and assure the preservation of the country. That is the mission, that is the goal, that is the promise.

Some how the system broke down. There are various established governmental protocols for handling top secret documents. Somehow there was a major breach of those protocols. The systems and protocols put in place failed miserably. Somehow tRump decreed that his luxurious beach mansion called Mar-a-Lago would become the new ANNEX Library of Congress Warehouse for the Storage of Top Secret Documents.

3Hotdogs

(12,466 posts)
18. Last I heard, guy with handcuffs
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 09:04 AM
Sep 2022

Is running a taco stand on LaCienega boulevard.


When I asked him, he said he don’t know nothing about it.

True Blue American

(17,996 posts)
28. LOL!
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 11:41 AM
Sep 2022

He don’t know nothing!

Like Barr on Fox, they have the evidence to charge him, but shouldn’t”!

I am sure Merrick Garland will tale Barrs advice. The guy who covered for Iran/ Contra now giving advice to the new AG!

Much like a former’ Governor stole millions from Medicaid was entrusted with the RNC money. Now it is broke! Gee, wonder why?

Raven123

(4,932 posts)
21. I suspect they are known to DOJ and may appear as witnesses
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 09:28 AM
Sep 2022

Also, SOS and POTUS have differing levels of authority.

Given what we have seen by Trump, most wouldn’t risk their livelihood by tussling with him over documents.

obamanut2012

(26,183 posts)
26. So, you are now blaming the NARA archivists and librarians
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 10:15 AM
Sep 2022

THE ONES WHO TOLD THE FBI ASAP THE DOCS WERE MISSING???

wtaf

No, I think it was an inside job of Trump's staff.

G2theD

(593 posts)
27. I'm only blaming the person that did it, not NARA.
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 11:00 AM
Sep 2022

If everything is so strict, and everything has to be checked out and checked in by the end of the day, they would’ve noticed things were not checked in immediately.

That leads me to believe it was an inside job inside NARA. If nobody did it obviously I’m not blaming anybody. I’m just saying to me that’s where I would be looking and I assume the FBI is looking at that too.

Remember MAGATS are in a cult with total allegiance to TFLG.

As to your question, this may not have been noticed until someone wanted to view one of the stolen document’s and reported.

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