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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,631 posts)
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 04:25 PM Sep 2022

Is Trump the reason CNN is going conservative?

Trump accused Fox News of 'pushing' Democrats' agenda and said if CNN 'went conservative,' it'd be an 'absolute gold mine' and he'd help

Former President Donald Trump tore into Fox News on Sunday, accusing the network of amplifying a Democratic agenda and going harder on Republicans than Democrats.

"Wow! Fox News is really pushing the Democrats and the Democrat agenda. Gets worse every single day," Trump wrote on his social-media platform, Truth Social. "So many Dems interviewed with only softball questions, then Republican counterparts get creamed."

It's unclear what interviews Trump was referring to, but he also specifically called out Karl Rove, a former GOP White House official who is now a Fox News contributor.

"RINO Karl Rove is unwatchable, very negative, and on all the time - Has a big record of losing!" Trump said. "Not an easy place to be as a Republican, especially with all of the 'pervert' purchased ads." It's unclear which ads he was referring to.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-bashed-fox-news-pushing-013734924.html

Trump defines conservative as anyone who'll kiss his oversized ass.
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Is Trump the reason CNN is going conservative? (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2022 OP
I'm freaking because the new guy came from Colbert. SleeplessinSoCal Sep 2022 #1
The FCC only has jurisdiction over broadcast stations, DemocraticPatriot Sep 2022 #13
Not according to this... SleeplessinSoCal Sep 2022 #15
Here's a perspective from Twitter that puts it on "the suits want better numbers" JHB Sep 2022 #2
Yup. Money. Real simple. lindysalsagal Sep 2022 #3
"Thinks it can survive" requires strategic thinking JHB Sep 2022 #5
Thank you for posting this. speak easy Sep 2022 #16
CNN is going conservative because people under 50 don't watch cable news Fiendish Thingy Sep 2022 #4
And people under 50 won't be streaming CNN either Generic Brad Sep 2022 #7
Other than YouTube and CNN.com, CNN doesn't have a streaming source Fiendish Thingy Sep 2022 #10
I'm streaming CNN right now from this website ... Earth-shine Sep 2022 #18
That's what CNN+ was supposed to be, but they scrapped it. JHB Sep 2022 #24
It would be just a complete break from everything that they have ever been it would be easier to GuppyGal Sep 2022 #6
CNN sees a goldmine in the crazy Trumpist viewership FossFafy Sep 2022 #8
CNN appears to have the misguided notion that if they go right, their audience will increase. Vinca Sep 2022 #9
Fascism is big business right now. sarcasmo Sep 2022 #11
CNN made a real BAD Decision... LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2022 #12
"conservative"? It's Fucking Gaslit Cha Sep 2022 #14
I had CNN on for several hours Monday afternoon. GoodRaisin Sep 2022 #17
I don't watch a lot of CNN, but I've paid more attention this week every since this hysteria about BlackSkimmer Sep 2022 #19
Yeah, Fox News doesn't have to worry about CNN taking it's audience yet. GoodRaisin Sep 2022 #20
I wouldn't even be able to compare since I've never watched Fox. BlackSkimmer Sep 2022 #21
Yeah, here they talk a lot about what Fox or other RW networks say, so even someone who GoodRaisin Sep 2022 #22
... BlackSkimmer Sep 2022 #23
The Right has always complained about CNN. In the 90s it was the... JHB Sep 2022 #25

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,219 posts)
1. I'm freaking because the new guy came from Colbert.
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 04:32 PM
Sep 2022

It is beyond comprehension that ratings count for more than the Constitution. The 24 hour news cable business is out of control. We desperately need a proper FCC.

DemocraticPatriot

(4,555 posts)
13. The FCC only has jurisdiction over broadcast stations,
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 09:29 PM
Sep 2022

that is stations still transmitting signals over the public airwaves--- not cable television.


JHB

(37,170 posts)
2. Here's a perspective from Twitter that puts it on "the suits want better numbers"
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 04:59 PM
Sep 2022

Basic corporate executive motive of "see this number? Fix it! Make it bigger". And when the number revolves around "retirees who park the tee vee on one channel all day, usually FOX," appealing to them is the only way to raise that number, because other demographics do not tune in.

(longish. Unspooling of a 37-tweet thread)

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1566112660118069248.html

YS
Follow @ReallyActivist
Sep 3 • 42 tweets • 8 min read

Thread.

1/

What happened to CNN?

I worked there for 18 years.

This is what happened.

Everyone wants to know why CNN is shifting.

Let me explain why.

What Fox News gets that MSNBC and CNN don’t get…

Each quarter, the Cable Operators release their subscriber base.
2/

For seven consecutive years, the cable operators have seen subscriber declines for 84 months

It’s called in the TV biz, “Cord Cutters”

97% of the “Cord Cutters” are under the age of 50

The majority of what is left watching cable like we have known, are very very old people
3/

As demographics for TV rapidly has changed to a very old age group, the networks remaining with any traction (ESPN, News Nets, etc.) have - HAVE TO - appeal to who is sitting on their couch watching news 24/7

Again, they are very very old people relative to the US population
4/

In the ratings war, the scorecard is usually based on A18-49 demographic.

But not for News.

No one buys news networks going after A18-49. No one.

All advertisers on these nets buy them for A50+.

MSNBC went left.

Fox News went right.

CNN tried to play the middle.
5/

The problem with CNN was they built a powerhouse in the 90’s. We printed money.

Cash. Hand over fist.

Then MSNBC and Fox News came along. The race was on.

MSNBC went velvet rope.

Fox News went diner.

CNN got caught in no man’s land.
6/

But the money kept coming in.

Then, technology changed the game.

CNN.com became THE defacto news source for America for a good 10 years.

Bernard Shaw hiding under the desk when Baghdad got bombed.

Aaron Brown broadcasting for 20 hours straight during 9.11.
CNN - Breaking News, Latest News and Videos
View the latest news and breaking news today for U.S., world, weather, entertainment, politics and health at CNN.com.
http://CNN.com
7/

We loved the accolades.

We sold on it.

But what we didn’t do was take a look at what was happening.

The viewership started to splinter to MSNBC cause some folks wanted a left bent

But a lot went to Fox News

In fact between 2008 and 2016, CNN lost 60% of its 50+ audience.
8/

Fox News, saw a 70% increase in the same demo during the same period (mostly men)

Fox News gave the audience what they want, an aggrieved white man perspective

While we chased the “next shiny object”

not arguing Fox News is right. Absolutely not. They are evil to the core
9/

“Fish where the fish are.”

In 2010, the team at CNN got the Fox News Strategy for sales and that was their strategy (they got ours too and MSNBC, happens all the time)

Some of us, said “uh oh, they’re right”. The audience is no longer A18-49

others laughed and mocked it
10/

Trump came and CNN started to make a shitload of money again by being the “counter” to Fox News but it was based on perception not reality.

No one was still watching.

Why?

While rest of America is out there cutting the cord, Fox News doubled down on old people.

And won.
11/

CNN saw that CNN+ will NOT bring in new audiences.

What 65 year old is going download and subscribe to a news streaming service with a basketball star, Rex Chapman- no offense Rex and I love ya - but the 65 year old living in The Villages is not your fan.
News Networks are not here to defend democracy.

There is only one goal and one goal only.

Higher CPM’s.

CPM is the currency used in TV to reflect the value of the programming.

The higher the CPM, the higher the margin on that commercial being sold.
The most valuable programming on TV is the championship game of the NCAA March Madness Tournament.

Super Bowl gets higher ratings, but the value ratio between CPM and audience is significantly much larger for March Madness Championship game vs. Super Bowl.
You pay $4 To $5 Million for a Super Bowl ad but you get 100 Million people watching.

You pay $1 MM for a March Madness spot but only get, at most in these day, 15 Million people watching.

See the ratio premium difference?
It’s the same with Fox News vs. CNN vs. MSNBC.

The ratio for Fox News CPM’s are much higher relative to their audience they attract, which means their margins are higher which also means the “value” to who they are selling to is more profitable.
Chris Litcht was given one edict.

Raise CPM’s.

That’s it.

That’s all he has to do.

And he believes this is how.

Fin.
P.S ppl want to know what CPM stands for

Cost Per Thousand

In Latin, Thousand starts with an “M”

I’ve been in the biz for 30+ years and it makes zero sense to me why the C and the P are listed in English but the M is Latin 😂

It makes as much sense as electing Trump President
Ok, people want more.

Why did CNN remove field reporters from war zones and sub-contract coverage to local affiliates?

The market cap was saturated.

News networks, and us at CNN, saw only single digits increases once we all reached the threshold of in being in 70 Million homes
Then the game changed in 2010 with Citizen United’s

We all were killing it before the Citizen United ruling.

But that ruling opened up the flood gates exponentially.

Every 2 years. $1 Billion would pour into the networks during election cycles.

It changed how we did business.
News Networks make more money during the 3 months leading up to mid-terms than they do all year.

Imagine candy manufacturers during October leading up to Halloween.

Now multiple that by 10x.

And a Presidential Year: Fuggetaboutit. Ch-Ching!
What made PACs and campaigns spend money?

Was it the coverage in war zones?

No way.

We saw once we put people like Santorum on the air, liberal groups would pour money into our pockets.

But liberal groups took a decade to understand Citizen United.
Not the people down the street on 6th avenue.

They knew.

Combined with a black president, my god they took us all to the cleaners.

For every general market dollar Fox News made they made $2 on every political campaigns.

They doubled the revenue vs. regular advertisers.
MSNBC didn’t care.

They packaged MSNBC with NBC and then eventually their cable networks like USA and Bravo.

MSNBC was just a line item for a advertisers they had to buy

You want a spot in Sunday Night Football on NBC? You had to spend on MSNBC to get it

That’s how this works
I know for a fact, cause I was in the room, when we told talent on CNN to NOT lean in on Citizen United.

In retrospect, I stayed 5 years too long cause I’m disgusted of what happened to the company Ted built.

Ted was fucking crazy! CRAZY with a capital C.
But when the AOL Time Warner merger happened, he lost all control and the separation between Church and State was obliterated.

It was Ted that kept business and content apart from each other.
This is ‘THE’ singular reason why no one in news talks about Citizen United.

We made the decision in 2012 when $770 Million was poured into News by CPACs.

After that, we told the anchors to stop talking about it.
This is ‘THE’ singular reason why no one in news talks about Citizen United.

We made the decision in 2012 when $770 Million was poured into News by CPACs.

After that, we told the anchors to stop talking about it.
* 😏 sorry about the ‘very very old’ comments.

That how we talk inside the halls of ad sales.

Sorry, but this is how the sausage is made.

Didn’t mean to offend.
*don’t know why wrote CPACs (cringe), just PACs lol
Close your eyes and imagine CNN, MSNBC FOX NEWS without PAC spending

You can’t

They can’t

If they lived in a world where PACs couldn’t spend money at will they’d all be out of jobs. Simple as that

They’ll never want it gone.

I’ve seen the books.

The business would shut down
The biggest hypocritical media story of the 2020 election was the cable networks shaming the social media giants not to accept political ads leading up to the election while they ran Trump/Biden and Citizen United protected Ads up to midnight on election night.

lol.
+one side note on Ted.

Complicated man. No doubt. I am very glad I crossed paths with that man. He had his ways, for sure. And even to this day, I wrasssle (I say that with admiration) how much of an impact we had as a nation when he was sidelined.

When it came to news.
++ The man was legit.

We were not even in the same building as tNew York Bureau and if you wanted to go there, you had to have a damn good reason why you should be there.

The church/state btw us & editorial was f’n as real as it could get.

Never saw them until 2000 AOL Merger.
+ It was greatest sales job ever.

Do you understand that these Campaigns MUST SPEND THE MONEY by election night or they’ll get in big trouble.

So shit, Tech is eating our lunch. Let’s shame them to stop taking the money, thus THEY HAVE TO COME TO US.

brilliant if you ask me.
+ there is nuance to this scenario as well, for example, 1) you just can’t buy the super bowl, that’s $5MM + you gotta buy 960 hours of pregame on some sister channel and 2). You can’t just buy ONE game for March Madness, you have to buy EVERY game.

Crazy business.
A few have not understood the dynamic of the CPM and why it’s the only value that counts.

Best way to understand our business is to compare to something more tangible.

This is how it was presented to me in 1993 when I entered the business with Turner Broadcasting.
Imagine the network is an airplane.

The airplane is taking off no matter what at 10am.

Regardless if there is 1 person or 200 people, the plane is taking off.

Each seat on the plane represents a :30 second commercial.

Our job is to make sure $100 worth of seats is sold.
Doesn’t matter how many we sell and at what price, but if you want to keep your job, $100 worth of seats has to be sold on that flight.

One more thing, you have to guarantee that every single item that they get on that plane with they get off the plane with.
Does an airplane want to sell 2x tickets at $50 or 50x tickets at $2.

Remember, the plane is taking off no matter what. Once the plane leaves, the unsold seats become irrelevant. Now all you have to do is guarantee everything arrives and delivers.
The CPS. (Cost-per-seat) is $50 vs. $2 for a plane taking off regardless.

The Risk Management decision of delivering 2x people with 100% of their items to their destination vs 50x people reduces the liability by the airline thus increasing the value of each seat sold.
With PACS guess what?

There’s no guarantee provided by the airlines/networks to get their message to their destination = no liability

If the spot is seen by 1 person or 100, who cares. with PACS unlike product advertisers, we don’t owe them any delivery.

It’s just cash for us
It’s the same with networks.

A spot is going to run at 10am, no matter what.

Our job is to sell that spot, not at the highest price, but at the highest price with the least amount of liability exposed to the network.

The higher the CPM, less liability we carry on the books.

• • •


lindysalsagal

(20,825 posts)
3. Yup. Money. Real simple.
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 05:00 PM
Sep 2022

Apparently, CNN thinks it can survive even if we're no longer a democracy.

JHB

(37,170 posts)
5. "Thinks it can survive" requires strategic thinking
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 05:10 PM
Sep 2022

This is "boost the numbers for the shareholder report" thinking. Survival isn't even under consideration, no more than "go faster, press the pedal harder" concentrates on that tight curve coming up.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,729 posts)
4. CNN is going conservative because people under 50 don't watch cable news
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 05:09 PM
Sep 2022

Increasingly, people under 50 don’t even have cable, they are exclusively streaming.

Generic Brad

(14,276 posts)
7. And people under 50 won't be streaming CNN either
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 05:13 PM
Sep 2022

They have apparently decided their business is irrelevant.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,729 posts)
10. Other than YouTube and CNN.com, CNN doesn't have a streaming source
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 05:27 PM
Sep 2022

I was talking about Netflix, Apple+, Prime, Disney+

That’s what under 50’s subscribe to, not cable.

The closest to news on streaming services is Peacock, which has some MSNBC content, and Paramount+, which carries the CBS evening news, IIRC. HULU might have ABC news. But, AFAIK, there is no 24/7 live news available on streaming services, you have to go to cable providers for that, and under 50’s are rejecting cable in droves.

JHB

(37,170 posts)
24. That's what CNN+ was supposed to be, but they scrapped it.
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 07:52 PM
Sep 2022

But, then, the main pool of stream subscribers would be the people already watching on cable, so why would they pay more money for a stream, and what's the "hook" to draw in streamers to pay if they don't already watch it on cable?

GuppyGal

(1,748 posts)
6. It would be just a complete break from everything that they have ever been it would be easier to
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 05:12 PM
Sep 2022

just start a new network to compete with Faux.

Vinca

(50,346 posts)
9. CNN appears to have the misguided notion that if they go right, their audience will increase.
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 05:15 PM
Sep 2022

Apparently, they haven't been paying attention. Unless they're ready to go far, far, far, Qanon, batshit right, they'll see their viewership go down. Just like Fox did.

GoodRaisin

(8,944 posts)
17. I had CNN on for several hours Monday afternoon.
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 03:57 AM
Sep 2022

They sounded like the same old CNN. Just the normal "bothsides" content you get when they have both RW and LW pundits on their panel discussions. Brianna Keiler subbed for Wolf Blitzer a couple hours and I didn't detect any unusual RW talking points during her time. Maybe I was just watching at the wrong times. Of course, I wouldn't expect increased RW content while Brianna Keiler was hosting either.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
19. I don't watch a lot of CNN, but I've paid more attention this week every since this hysteria about
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 09:21 AM
Sep 2022

a new owner started up here.

I've not seen one single bit of evidence of a "right wing" slant. The latest topic was them discussing the video showing irregularities in Georgia. they sure as hell weren't slanting that.

I agree with you.

GoodRaisin

(8,944 posts)
20. Yeah, Fox News doesn't have to worry about CNN taking it's audience yet.
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 01:02 PM
Sep 2022

There is still no comparing the two for RW content.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
21. I wouldn't even be able to compare since I've never watched Fox.
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 01:05 PM
Sep 2022

What's funny is that I don't have to. Regularly here, I see people posting what Newsmax or Fox says. Or any number of right wing sites.

Fascinating, no?

GoodRaisin

(8,944 posts)
22. Yeah, here they talk a lot about what Fox or other RW networks say, so even someone who
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 06:51 PM
Sep 2022

never watches RW news pretty much has all they need to know about that. I do on occasion flip over to Fox to see how a major story is being spun, or even if it is covered at all. They have just created a whole alternative (fake) narrative that appeals to hate filled people. CNN isn’t that.

JHB

(37,170 posts)
25. The Right has always complained about CNN. In the 90s it was the...
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 07:59 PM
Sep 2022

..."Clinton News Network" because it didn't spend 24/7 promoting horseshit RW claims about "Clinton scandals".

It's not as if it didn't amplify those equine-droppings. They simply failed to do it with sufficient frequency and vigor to satisfy the Right, so it was eeeeeeviiiiiilllll.

Appeasing them now sets CNN up for added failure, but The Suits Hath Spoken, so that's the path they're taking.

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