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In 1972, I was 11. I loved life, knew everyone in the neighborhood, played in the streets and parks whenever school was out. Everyone knew meI was always knocking on doors to sell little league raffle tickets, do yard work, or collect on newspaper subscriptions.
The kids would play touch football in the street after dinner and knew to avoid the yard of our ex-Nazi neighbors. The wife would call the police if the ball went in her yard. The grown daughter was a recluse who always wore army surplus. The father was a German scientist relocated here at the end of WW2. There was no animosity amongst my pals but the wifes behavior was a joke. This family wanted to be left alone and we didnt bother them. I already knew half the lesson.
One summer afternoon I was walking home and happened to look behind me. The father was walking quickly toward me, 100 yards or so behind. It startled me so I quickened my pace. I looked again and the man was running now. It terrifiedI ran and jumped a wall leaving him behind.
My mother and father came home from work. I stayed near their closet until they arrivedstill hysterical. Inconsolable.
Did I mention my father was a Marine? Saipan, Okinawa, Nagasaki occupation. Coolest cucumber I ever met. All he said was, Is everyone ready to go out to dinner?
We all got into the station wagon. Where does he live? he said.
We parked at the curb and, though I didnt want to, had to come with him to the Nazis door. The Nazi answered. My son tells me you chased him today.
Yeah, look here! and the Nazi crosses the threshold to point to his window. It had a BB hole in it.
I was joyful in my innocence. I didnt do it! I wanted a BB gun for Christmas and you said no!
He says he didnt do it
I dont give a shit what your son says!
It all happened so fast but in an instant it was Clay standing over a fallen Liston. My father had dropped the guy with one punch. He towered over the Nazi whose nose now bled, and told him if he ever came near me again he was a dead man.
We returned to the car. I was triumphant. The matter was dropped. In that moment I understood the whole lesson:
Dont provoke Nazis but when they cross the line they must be punched in the face.
Raven
(14,108 posts)LoisB
(8,797 posts)IrishAfricanAmerican
(4,180 posts)Cherokee100
(315 posts)Semper Fidelis (always faithful), enough said.
Mr.Bill
(24,813 posts)even if I knew he did something wrong. I would talk to the parents, or if the offence was big enough, call the police.
People much younger than me would find this hard to believe, but in the 50s in a close knit neighborhood, if some kid did something bad, another neighbor adult might spank the kid, or at least threaten to. And the kid's parents would thank them.
Ponietz
(3,322 posts)and I have that same feeling now as I did when I looked behind me. Sure, other adults corrected us. Today, they terrorize our children. Ive had enough of them since 2017.
Joinfortmill
(16,525 posts)NJCher
(38,004 posts)eom
fightforfreedom
(4,913 posts)My dad was the same way. He was a Marine and there are certain things you can never do to a Marine. They will punch you.
Some young guy insulted my dads Marine Corp baseball cap. My father was around seventy years old at the time. My father never said a word, he just punched him. A Marine is a Marine for life, that is not just a saying.
AllaN01Bear
(23,152 posts)Polybius
(18,016 posts)And why was he so persistent in thinking that it was you? Did you ever find out? I would have asked him when I got old enough (probably by 1979).
Ponietz
(3,322 posts)but he didnt admit it. We looked alike. We moved when I was 13.
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CaliforniaPeggy
(152,246 posts)Your Dad was so right in what he did.
Warpy
(113,131 posts)He's been a lot quieter these days, maybe Mom tightened the purse strings. Being restricted to extremist, far right media seems to have clobbered his own cash flow.
That sucker punch gave him his 15 minutes of fame, but bully boys who are publicly flattened never seem to recover fully. Being on the radar got him deplatformed and the skids downward are ongoing.
This is a year old, but it's a good illustration of what happens to bullies who are shown to be vulnerable,
https://www.salon.com/2021/09/06/white-nationalist-richard-spencers-life-is-in-shambles-as-charlottesville-trial-looms-report_partner/
SouthernDem4ever
(6,618 posts)how far does he have to go before the idiot repugs realize they have been sucking up to a back-stabbing snake?
Warpy
(113,131 posts)All punches to the face before that need to be metaphorical.
Besides, he's surrounded by Secret Service plus his own goons. It would be suicidal to attempt it.
Cozmo
(1,402 posts)Paladin
(28,843 posts)Blessings upon your father for that valuable, unchanging rule.
hunter
(38,981 posts)Bullies were more afraid of my mom.
In my family we joke that we're pacifists by necessity, not by any natural inclination.
My dad's a big guy who served in the Army as a Radar O'Reilly medical clerk.
My wife's dad is a pacifist too. He served as a Navy corpsman assigned to the Marines.
Neither one of them wanted anything to do with guns. It was just dumb luck they didn't end up in Korea.
I have witnessed my mom going berserker on people. I once saw her grab a rifle out of some fool's hands, expertly unload it, and break the gun against a rock. She was ready to fight too but the guy turned white, hurried off, and started screaming all the expletives you'd expect when he had some distance on her.
As a kid I was always terrified that my mom would light off on someone. It wasn't good for me.
My great grandmas were worse, holy terrors of the Wild West, handy with guns, knives, and words that could kill. Nobody crossed them.
Thankfully, children were off-limits to their matriarchal wrath. Whenever we did something wrong we'd be removed from the immediate danger and then they'd patiently explain why what we did was wrong, permanently searing the guilt upon our consciences. That wasn't good for me either.
My wife and I tried to raise our children with a somewhat lighter hand but we still may have gone overboard with the patient explaining. Kids can figure stuff out for themselves.
I've no experience at all with authoritarianism, where you follow the rules or else...
It seems to me most humans are extraordinarily resistant to punishment. They have to be trained from an early age to accept it. Unfortunately, many people raised authoritarian environments never learn to think for themselves, they just follow the rules imposed upon them.
When I was a kid I broke a few windows doing stupid kid stuff. I wasn't punished for it, but I always had to pay for it one way or another.
Those are things I don't feel guilty about. My dad paid for the windows, and I repaid my dad in extra chores, which was probably worse for him because he had to put up with my complaints. It would have been a lot easier for him to say "boys will be boys" and let me off the hook. It would have been easier to heap on the guilt or shame.
As a kid I don't remember being falsely accused of anything by a Nazi neighbor, probably because I was the idiot kid who did it.
burrowowl
(18,047 posts)The Lord said to turn the other cheek but he didnt say what to do when you turned tat one.
IbogaProject
(3,687 posts)I got flagged for mentioning this before. The official record only acknowledges 10-20k during the Truman administration under "Operation Paperclip". But as the cold war heated up in the 1950s the Eisenhauer administration brought nearly 300K actual Nazis and German functionaries into America. I don't know how we clean up all the problems that has caused. And don't forget the GOP basically funded Hitler through Harriman under Prescott Bush.
Ponietz
(3,322 posts)Jewish refugee GIs were ordered to supervise Nazi Rocket scientists at a top secret camp in the US after the war ended. Their stories are disturbing.
Esra Star
(2,169 posts)miffelplix
(57 posts)you could post this to a right-wing website. No need to change another word.
Ponietz
(3,322 posts)Thats the difference. Sounds like both-siderism.
Farmer-Rick
(11,461 posts)For the kids. If kids with BB guns don't have something to shoot at, they shoot down birds, squirrels and neighbors' windows and siding.
My Dad did that for us boys in our suburban neighborhood. We all had to listen to his safety lecture before we could shoot at the targets. It only lasted a couple of years, until we outgrew the BB guns. No one put their eye out.
Ponietz
(3,322 posts)yet it still misses the point.
reACTIONary
(6,033 posts)Air Force, not a Marine, but a fighter pilot. I think it was the guy calling him a "coward" that finally triggered him.
burrowowl
(18,047 posts)FlyingPiggy
(3,736 posts)SunSeeker
(53,810 posts)3Hotdogs
(13,440 posts)One of the town's bullies was Frank.... At the time of the incident, he was maybe, 19.
Dad was 5'5" and was lucky if he weighed 130 pounds.... veteran of Army and Navy and Iwo Jima.
Frank was maybe 5' 8" and also around the same weight.
ME? I was one of Charles Atlas's 100 lb. weaklings. Hell I probably didn't even make 100 lbs.
Dad and I were walking to town and Frank challenged him, called him out about --- whatever.
Dad. Come over here if you want to settle it.
I'm saying to myself, if my father nuts? Frank will kill him.
Frank made a couple of more comments and then went back into his house.
I was proud of dad that day.
SouthernDem4ever
(6,618 posts)but the police showed up, promised to handle it. Never heard from the dude again. Was lucky that time.
magicarpet
(16,635 posts)They will take ten miles.
Authoritarian Fascists must be made suffer the repercussions of their actions.
elias7
(4,196 posts)Just asking
Ponietz
(3,322 posts)Smith and his wife were free to leave. No one was unjustly threatening their safety. Smith acted like a Nazi would by angrily rushing to judgment and resorting to violence. My father would also have condemned Smiths folly. Im stymied this needs explanation.