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Nevilledog

(51,302 posts)
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 03:29 PM Sep 2022

The Most Alarming Case On The Supreme Court's Docket You Haven't Heard Of (Medicaid)

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/supreme-court-medicaid-section-1983

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https://archive.ph/OW372

There’s a sleeper case on the Supreme Court’s docket that could blow a gaping hole in the social safety net and give states leeway to neglect or end care for tens of millions of the most vulnerable Americans.

“This case is to Medicaid what Dobbs was to abortion,” Sara Rosenbaum, professor of health law and policy at George Washington University’s school of public health, told TPM.

And it’s not just Medicaid, though the program enrolling nearly 90 million Americans is the biggest one at risk. This case could leave all of those who depend on federally funded, state-administered programs — think SNAP (formerly known as food stamps) or WIC, which helps low-income pregnant women and mothers with young children buy food — without any recourse, should states stop providing the benefits they’re required to give.

The echoes of Dobbs are eerie.

Here too, the Court’s decision to take up the case surprised and alarmed experts in equal measure. There was no circuit court split, no raging lower court controversy to settle. It was a fairly run-of-the-mill case, not unlike hundreds that had come before. A county in a red state, eyeing the right-wing composition of the Court, calculated that the time was ripe to lodge a bigger ask, to use a pedestrian vehicle to do away with a broader right it opposes. And the justices quietly took it up — dragging behind them a paper trail peppered with their inclination to overturn 50 years of precedent.

*snip*


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The Most Alarming Case On The Supreme Court's Docket You Haven't Heard Of (Medicaid) (Original Post) Nevilledog Sep 2022 OP
K & R...for visibility...nt Wounded Bear Sep 2022 #1
Just taking the case shocked the experts. That tells us all we need to know. Eliot Rosewater Sep 2022 #2
K&R Bettie Sep 2022 #3
I've adopted the terms 'Death Party' and 'The Party of Death.' Mr. Evil Sep 2022 #30
Destroy the middle class and keep the poor too hungry to rebel. LoisB Sep 2022 #4
more like too hungry to read onethatcares Sep 2022 #23
This too. LoisB Sep 2022 #25
This court has an inhumane agenda. spanone Sep 2022 #5
Catalyst for HUGE change right dar if they do it! Brainfodder Sep 2022 #6
Catalyst for HUGE change right dar if they do it! Brainfodder Sep 2022 #7
Hey, thanks for the bright outlook on life here! icymist Sep 2022 #15
No more looking out for the little guy, the highest court is becoming a bully. FM123 Sep 2022 #8
Bully? Worse. THIS SCOTUS would allow fictional personhoods of Big Corps to profit ancianita Sep 2022 #16
Yes, worse than a bully. FM123 Sep 2022 #32
We need to pull the fangs of the Subversive 6. Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2022 #9
K n R ! Thanks for posting! JoeOtterbein Sep 2022 #10
K&R UTUSN Sep 2022 #11
Kick dalton99a Sep 2022 #12
Pro tip Roy Rolling Sep 2022 #13
Welcome to the 1850's. mn9driver Sep 2022 #14
DURec leftstreet Sep 2022 #17
KnR for exposure MiHale Sep 2022 #18
They want to take us back to the sixties. flying_wahini Sep 2022 #19
They want to take us back to the caves. Cyrano Sep 2022 #21
This is what the evil republicans want to do - hurt poor people. And did you see where they want to iluvtennis Sep 2022 #20
This is alarming. BlueLucy Sep 2022 #22
Yes, but at least it can be a topic of discussion before the midterms. Hortensis Sep 2022 #24
It isn't middle class, the real middle class is the professional and successful small business ShazamIam Sep 2022 #28
:) I call all those who (basically) must work to maintain their standard of living Hortensis Sep 2022 #33
If the middle class is all those people falling a bit more every year, who would want to aspire to ShazamIam Sep 2022 #34
Thanks for the post, now what can be done with our bought & paid for fascist justices? ShazamIam Sep 2022 #26
OMG, this is terrifying! 😱 ShazzieB Sep 2022 #27
First state to kill the programs will be TX if that fuck Abbott is re-elected. roamer65 Sep 2022 #29
If I had disposable millions of dollars, Mr. Evil Sep 2022 #31
You hope they can get five votes upholding EnergizedLib Sep 2022 #35

Eliot Rosewater

(31,151 posts)
2. Just taking the case shocked the experts. That tells us all we need to know.
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 03:37 PM
Sep 2022

They want to kill us...they will.

Too bad our side says increasing the court is NOT an option.

Mr. Evil

(2,865 posts)
30. I've adopted the terms 'Death Party' and 'The Party of Death.'
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 06:27 PM
Sep 2022

Because there's nothing 'grand' about the Grand old Party.

You're right. They love seeing people suffer. They are sadistic. I hate them.

Brainfodder

(6,424 posts)
6. Catalyst for HUGE change right dar if they do it!
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 03:51 PM
Sep 2022

Just too personal for TOO MANY to ignore!



Large communes with barbed wire fences?



Glad I got some skills!

Brainfodder

(6,424 posts)
7. Catalyst for HUGE change right dar if they do it!
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 03:51 PM
Sep 2022

Just too personal for TOO MANY to ignore!



Large communes with barbed wire fences?



Glad I got some skills!

icymist

(15,888 posts)
15. Hey, thanks for the bright outlook on life here!
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 05:01 PM
Sep 2022

I'll add that to my daily mantras I say:

Large communes with barbed wire fences Hmmmmm...

The Government dosen't love me any more OHmmmmmm....

All we do is sit on our hands and watch Hmmmmmm...

There goes my everything OHmmmmmmm...

Get up and do something! Vote!

FM123

(10,054 posts)
8. No more looking out for the little guy, the highest court is becoming a bully.
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 03:52 PM
Sep 2022
With this case, the conservative majority has the opportunity to do enormous damage to people who are already often the most vulnerable in our society.

ancianita

(36,238 posts)
16. Bully? Worse. THIS SCOTUS would allow fictional personhoods of Big Corps to profit
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 05:09 PM
Sep 2022

at the cost of human lives and the people's well being.

The Constitution was written for humans, not corporations. Yet the centuries' long insurgency of corporations into government culminates in fascism within and from the courts -- the very meaning of a corporate state is that humans don't matter. Corporations enlist evangelicals to pray and say it's god's will.

We must win both houses, and Congress should start immediate judicial reform that expands SCOTUS to thirteen justices and judicial term limits.

FM123

(10,054 posts)
32. Yes, worse than a bully.
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 07:03 PM
Sep 2022

Just frightening to think SCOTUS might let 90 million folks lose their Medicaid, Snap too. Well, as long as the corporations are happy and healthy the conservative justices don't really care....

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,574 posts)
9. We need to pull the fangs of the Subversive 6.
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 03:53 PM
Sep 2022

Roe, Roe, Roe your vote
against theocracy!
Republicans revoke your rights
and kill democracy!

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Roy Rolling

(6,947 posts)
13. Pro tip
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 04:28 PM
Sep 2022

It’s the UNITED States of America. Not the do-your-own-thing States of America. We tried that in 1860 and it sucked big time.

Move on Republicans from “states rights”. In the U.S., my state rights are your state rights or you can’t be a member of club USA.

flying_wahini

(6,712 posts)
19. They want to take us back to the sixties.
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 05:23 PM
Sep 2022

scary AF.

Round up the Sick, old and poor and monetize them as tax breaks and cheap labor (in case Biden fixes immigration).

How do OG Republicans get to this point?

iluvtennis

(19,912 posts)
20. This is what the evil republicans want to do - hurt poor people. And did you see where they want to
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 05:32 PM
Sep 2022

also eliminate WIC (women-infant-children) funding. So, they force 10 year olds to have babies and then they won't provide social funding to help them take care of the babies.

WTF is this nation coming too. I'm so embarrassed.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
24. Yes, but at least it can be a topic of discussion before the midterms.
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 05:50 PM
Sep 2022

Declaring these programs unconstitutional must be considered easy pickings, a warmup, before they move on to much bigger ones that the middle classes depend on, including Social Security, Medicare, the ACA.

ShazamIam

(2,577 posts)
28. It isn't middle class, the real middle class is the professional and successful small business
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 06:23 PM
Sep 2022

owners. It is the our elderly retired working class, the existing working class and of course the lowest paid workers and their children who will be harmed.

I believe that is our big problem with what is the real Republican core voters, they are the true middle class and they benefit from keeping anyone with less income poor. They all need cheap house keepers, gardeners, servers, retail workers to maintain their lofty life styles.

These are the people with incomes now beginning at $300K per year for family, those who are living a true and comfortable middle class life, with good housing, health care, transportation and the ability to send their children to college.

They aren't rich, to be rich in the U.S. now requires at least a worth of $10 and it now takes $5 billion to be on the bottom of the Forbes richest Americans list.


Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
33. :) I call all those who (basically) must work to maintain their standard of living
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 08:28 PM
Sep 2022

the working classes, and that includes most of the middle class by any definition. That's because the very class-hierarchical economists' definition is obsolete, a carryover from the days when many "working class" people didn't even graduate from elementary school, much less often have post high-school education. And from when most work was very low paid (there was much less wealth to go around) and included some level of manual labor, such as grueling work in laundries. Basically, the old working class was where the old middle class "professionals" got their servants and poor factory workers. Not any more.

Today most who would once have been working class by the old definition work at higher skill levels for more money, even those who feel exploited and underpaid; some make very good incomes. They're typically much better educated, have much higher standards of living and live far more sophisticated and socially mobile lives. They go to many of the same restaurants and concerts and take the same planes on vacations that professionals do, albeit less often.

Above all, Shazam, I reject the old economists' definition of middle class because almost everyone does. Most people see themselves as middle class because it makes sense to them. It's a multilevel vertical range, but even the more modest earners know they live at an enviably higher level of wellbeing and security than those who have to struggle (and are in danger of failing) to meet basic needs, but that they don't share the privileges of the wealthy classes. Unmistakably middle by the most meaningful measures to them.

However, back to what's happening, most conservatives are naturally hierarchical. They understand and feel comfortable with class differences and some degree of authoritarian government to maintain the social order. Our liberal egalitarianism and social mobility with blurred, even almost invisible lines, tends to feel wrong and chaotic.

I agree what we're seeing is RW extremists with the bit in their teeth rejecting the liberal egalitarian (dis)order by trying to return our nation to the good old, pre-modern, order of defined class differences -- where most people are low income, educated only enough to "meet the needs of local industry" (Gov. Scott Walker) and stay in their place.

Fwiw, this nation is so wealthy that I don't think it's so much that they feel a need to severely underpay workers in order to live luxuriously themselves, it's more that belief in the "natural order" means that inferior classes are supposed to have less than superior.

Btw, I believe they can't possibly succeed. That's implicit in the self image of most Americans, including conservatives, as "middle class" with middle class privileges. They could of course do a lot of harm, though, and have been for some while.

ShazamIam

(2,577 posts)
34. If the middle class is all those people falling a bit more every year, who would want to aspire to
Sat Sep 3, 2022, 10:02 AM
Sep 2022

being, middle class? Middle Class is now just the name of the working class and the Middle class are called Rich; laughable when it now takes $5.5 billion just to make the bottom of the Forbes 400 list of richest Americans.
The working class was promoted to the middle class in the 80s, at the same time of very high unemployment and wage suppression.
Wage suppression that included reduction in pay for new auto-workers union members.

Who wants to aspire to barely making the monthly necessities, limiting health care and having to borrow for a college education?

Mr. Evil

(2,865 posts)
31. If I had disposable millions of dollars,
Fri Sep 2, 2022, 06:31 PM
Sep 2022

I'd pour them in to Beto's campaign. It's that important.

These anti-human pieces of shit (Abbott) need to be eviscerated.

EnergizedLib

(1,907 posts)
35. You hope they can get five votes upholding
Sat Sep 3, 2022, 10:04 AM
Sep 2022

Besides, West Virginia v. EPA was a narrow ruling and didn't gut Chevron entirely.

By all means, if they want to gut these things and strengthen even more blue votes, by all means. Dobbs is backfiring on them. This would, too.

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