So, why isn't he arrested and charged now that evidence is in hand?

[msfiddlestix]

What has now been revealed in the DOJ Suppeano illustrates there is more than enough evidence to bring charges and make an arrest Prosecute immediately.

I don't remember Hansen being allowed to roam freely before bringing charges, once they busted him.

Trump has been BUSTED.

Arrest and Prosecute that treasonous bastard now.

[Thomas Hurt]

1. He was President. Simple as that.

[uponit7771]

4. +1, the country as a whole was warned by Clinton but never took action on making a plan for ...

... holding Putin's Whore to account for the crimes she said he'd commit.

[claudette]

2. Agree

election or not. This is close to treason

[triron]

51. So DOJ is letting a treasonous ex-president roam free and

Continue to do damage. This seems insane to me.

[SoCalDavidS]

3. Because He's Above The Law

Unlike most here at DU, I STILL do not think he'll ever be indicted or face consequences.

[uponit7771]

5. +1, I feel if he doesn't then there will be political unrest but in the polls by democrats and not

... in a good way.

I just can't see the DOJ or the Biden admin saying to Putin's Whore ... oh well, that was bad and don't do it again ... after they laid their markers here recently.

[BlackSkimmer]

18. You're not alone. nt

[Marius25]

6. Because the DoJ believes people like Trump deserve

special privileges.

I don't care what your formal title is, if anyone of us did a fraction of what Trump did, we'd be in prison for life. He should be arrested today and the fact that he hasn't been proves DoJ does not view everyone as equal under the law.

[msfiddlestix]

29. ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ n/t

[triron]

52. That's fucked up.

[jalan48]

7. Maybe the DOJ would like to see a plea deal in order to avoid the spectacle of arresting

a former President.

[ALBliberal]

9. Very good point

[Irish_Dem]

11. Arresting him might speed up the plea deal process.

Sitting in a jail cell tends to focus the mind.

[jalan48]

12. I think the issue of arresting a former President is a big problem. I would love to see the SOB

arrested but I'm not sure the DOJ agrees.

[Irish_Dem]

21. Yes you are right. I am sure they want a plea deal rather than arrest.

[msfiddlestix]

49. ✔️

[dutch777]

17. Possibly, or at least want every i dotted and t crossed before indicting. Plus...

...Trump has habit of blabbering on and digging his hole deeper. Leaving him dangling in peril increases this likelihood. Smart criminals shut up and lay low. Trump is not smart.

[msfiddlestix]

30. tfg aceoting a plea deal? Before or after he goes to PA this weekend to campaign....

not just for OZ but also, and most importantly for himself.

[CrispyQ]

8. That's the question of the day.

Today would be a perfect day, going into a 3-day weekend.

[Fix The Stupid]

10. Hate to be the wet blanket, but...

Just step back and look at the big picture here.

What has been the excuse in the US for decades when the US Gov't or it's agencies commit crimes or have knowledge of specific crimes?

All washed away in the name of "national security"...

Why are there still JFK files not being released? - "national security"

Why are there still 911 files not being released? - "national security"

So what does that exactly mean? In the above scenarios it means the truth is so awful, so unfathomable, that the general population cannot handle it. These decisions are being made out of fear and also to protect some "very important" people, organizations, countries, entities, whatever.

In my opinion, this is how the Trump crimes will be handled as well.

Their thinking will be along these lines:

- We simply cannot charge or prosecute a former president for ANYTHING. It will transmit the image to the world and America's enemies that we really are a 'weak nation' and it might hurt the 'economy' or our 'world standing' - in other words..."national security".
- If we prosecute Trump and his minions, then the next time the repubs have power they will turn over every stone on the dems for revenge...anything and everything will come out - again, not going to happen because of...wait for it.. "national security".

I hope I am wrong, but history shows this will be the probably outcome.

Sorry.

[fightforfreedom]

13. One problem with your opinion.

If Trump and his band of traitors are not prosecuted that will end our democracy. What they have done will become legal.

[msfiddlestix]

42. Exactly

[CrispyQ]

15. I agree for the most part.

However, if that's how they think our allies are going to react, they're dead wrong. They're already worried he'll get elected again. I believe the longer we let this guy walk free & shoot off his mouth the more respect we lose. And we risk the November election, too. No one can demoralize the dem base better than the dems.

I went from thinking he'll never be indicted, to a slim hope he might be, back to he won't be. Like you, I hope I'm wrong. Today would be a great day to arrest him, going into a 3-day weekend.

[global1]

19. So The Lesson Here Is.....

If you're gonna commit a crime as a president - make sure it is big enough that it is so awful, so unfathomable, that the general population cannot handle it.

Call it a threat to National Security and just sweep it under the rug that we simply cannot charge or prosecute a former president for ANYTHING.

We don't want to transmit the image to the world and America's enemies that we really are a 'weak nation' cause it might hurt the 'economy' or our 'world standing' - in other words..."national security".

Tr**p skates again!!!!

[Fix The Stupid]

31. Sure seems that way... n/t

[msfiddlestix]

40. Too Big to Jail

[H2O Man]

48. Lions & Tigers & Bears!

Oh my!

Or, for the heck of it, perhaps it is because no president has been a criminal as Trump. Granted, Nixon and VP Bush the Elder were crooks, in Watergate and Iran-Contra. But nothing like this. And, for example, at this time the DOJ-FBI are not allowed to use the documents found in furthering their investigation. That "hold" will remain if the Trump-appointed judge calls for a special master to review the documents. For this is, as Trump has always done when on the hot seat, simply a delay tactic.

[global1]

14. He's Got Small Hands - So.....

they treat him with 'kid gloves'.

[EnergizedLib]

16. Arrest him now

Where are the documents? Who has them? You know somebody does, and lives are in danger.

This is far worse than a few emails.

[Sneederbunk]

20. No charges until after Nov 8.

[MineralMan]

22. Because there is no indictment from a federal grand jury.

Not yet. Once an indictment has been issued, there can be a warrant for his arrest. Until then, he is not charged with any crime. Not officially.

That's why. It's really simple. You can't arrest someone under federal law unless you catch them in the act of committing a felony or after a person has been indicted by a federal grand jury.

Due process.

[msfiddlestix]

34. you're saying that Feds never charge and arrest without and an GJ indictment first.

do I iunderstand you correclly?

[MineralMan]

41. Not in cases like this.

[msfiddlestix]

43. Aldrich Ames Arrested for espionage no indictment proceeding before the arrest

Not clear if he was indicted while incarcerated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldrich_Ames#Arrest

[MineralMan]

45. So, was he a former President?

That matters.

[msfiddlestix]

46. Really? That's where ypu are on Justice for All? Ok..ty.

[triron]

55. Agreed. Actually being ex-president makes Trump even more

Dangerous than Ames.

[Raven123]

23. No charges will be brought until the investigation is complete.

[msfiddlestix]

36. It would take over a centiury to "complete" this investigation

With this individual, the number of crimes and the scope alone would siggest a restult we cannot abide.


They have evidence in hand, to outright arrest and charge.

In the meantime they can continue investigations and levy more charges as each one is completed and determined.

[Brainfodder]

53. Hold as flight risk, bare minimum?

Well said and maybe the dunce is being used for more intel?

If they are preparing to take the whole web down, then wait we shall!

[Marius25]

24. He's above the law that's why.

People here like to defend Garland, but he's still allowing Trump to delay and get away with things no other person would ever get away with.

[triron]

25. Agreed.

[MOMFUDSKI]

26. If ANYONE

is above the law in this Country then what is the point of keeping this Democracy?

[AngryOldDem]

27. Don't know, but I wish it would happen.

Thoroughly sick and tired of his ass.

[lindysalsagal]

28. Only the little people at the insurrection will get arrested and tried.

I hope I'm wrong. But if they committed crimes, how can anyone seriously believe tfg didn't?

[JustAnotherGen]

32. I hope it's an

Interesting weekend.

[msfiddlestix]

39. Like an arrest and perp walk in PA, would work for me n/t

[brooklynite]

33. Because "we know he's guilty" isn't the basis for an indictment and prosecution

I want Garland and DOJ to take all the time needed to make it ironclad.

[msfiddlestix]

37. yeah, ok.

[lees1975]

35. I'm asking the same question, because if it had been anyone else, they would have been

in jail by now, held until trial without bail. Then all these legal shenanigans would quit and we could get on with prosecuting him.

[Emile]

38. I like to think the DOJ is dripping evidence to

slowly convince republicans Trump broke the law and is endangering our country security. I think he fears what Lindsey Graham is threatening.

[onenote]

44. DU is filled with speculation about what Trump did with the documents

and what impact it had on national security. Well, my guess is that DOJ and the intelligence agencies are looking into that as well, and want to put the stongest case, based on the most serious charges, before the grand jury rather than do it piecemeal.

[triron]

56. We will be fucked.

[Polybius]

50. Mar-a-Lago was just raided on August 8th

Just be a little more patient, this will take some time.

[LuckyCharms]

54. Because the stealing of the documents isn't the half of it.

The DOJ is going for the brass ring.