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H2O Man

(74,036 posts)
Wed Aug 31, 2022, 04:59 PM Aug 2022

A Program

https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/30/politics/read-doj-response-trump-special-master/index.html


As we watch the Trump document scandal grow, it is apparent that it is part of a long-term program to damage -- and destroy -- democracy in the United States. To fully appreciate the scope of the program, I would suggest that we think of the implications of the batshit crazy program known as Q-Anon. For that is more closely tied to these documents than the Big Mac wrappers found within the boxes, among the sensitive documents.

Let's first look at the origins of "Q" as I understand them. There have been media efforts to uncover the identity of "Q." One theory is a computer Geek with a name I don't remember, the other is General Michael Flynn. I think one theory is fairly close.

"Q" was, I think, started by two left-wing Democrats. A retired doctor and a retired social worker. A former Weatherman (though not Weather Underground member) and a former YIPPIE! Now, I could be wrong ..... but I think they started the "Q" thing as a gag. The "Q" came from their earlier discussion of the source that bibical scholars call a scroll that influenced the writing of the four gospels.

A nest of retired FBI agents in New York City came upon it. These are the "friends of Rudy." Jim Kallstrom (you may have seen him on the series "The FBI Files" ) recognized that "Q" was not real, but recognized its significant potential. Keep in mind that "Q" started in 2017, and the late Kallstrom was an outspoken critic of the FBI investigation of Trump's campaign. Jim would attack Robert Mueller. He also called the Clintons "criminals."

Kallstrom brought "Q" to the attention of Rudy, who brought it to General Flynn. Remember, Flynn was very familiar withhow psychological operations include perception management. Flynn's decision was to create several threads of conspiracy that would rope in the vulnerable population that would become the Trump cult. Once that rope is created in a manner that secures it for the future, "Q" can disappear.

Flynn, of course, had plenty of time on his hands, since losing his job as National Security Advisor on February 13, 2007. He had enough time to drop one law firm and hire Sidney Powell, who began communicating with Bill Barr and Donald Trump about dropping charges against Flynn. But between losing his job and being pardoned, Flynn was a busy man He spoke to militia groups around the country. And on July 4, 2020, Flynn literally pledged an oath to Q-Anon. (Google it, if you don'r remember that. There are several sources.)

President Biden is 100% correct to refer to how this program has resulted in a semi-fascist republican party. To have become semi-fascist, of course, it has to be led by fascist enemies of our country. Some hold or held political office. Some occupy other positions. But they are out there, and that absolutely means all of us must work hard to elect Democrats in November.

Let's kick the shit out of the republican party. Do what you can, and don't doubt that your contribution doesn't matter. It does. Now, I will end with the favorite saying that I recite in my head before I dig into campaigning:

“The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and goodwill, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother’s keeper, and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee!” -- Samuel Jackson; Pulp Fiction
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A Program (Original Post) H2O Man Aug 2022 OP
No evidence that it was Michael Flynn. brooklynite Aug 2022 #1
I was looking last H2O Man Aug 2022 #2
Interesting as ever Easterncedar Aug 2022 #3
It's my most favored theory too, Easterncedar. hedda_foil Aug 2022 #5
Definitely. H2O Man Aug 2022 #7
I think that H2O Man Aug 2022 #6
researched this kallstrom guy for a particular reason sprinkleeninow Aug 2022 #4
A terrible human being. H2O Man Aug 2022 #8
As you know I lost a good friend 4 years ago Saoirse9 Sep 2022 #9
It's a great scene! H2O Man Sep 2022 #10

brooklynite

(95,681 posts)
1. No evidence that it was Michael Flynn.
Wed Aug 31, 2022, 05:02 PM
Aug 2022

Solid case for Ron Watkins, who also controlled the platform Q appeared on.

H2O Man

(74,036 posts)
2. I was looking last
Wed Aug 31, 2022, 05:08 PM
Aug 2022

week for your OP where you said stuff about how people here want to see Trump "frog-marched" etc, and asked if Democrats are not supposed to be for "justice." After thinking about it, I wanted to say I see no contradiction between the two. But I couldn't find it.

Easterncedar

(2,549 posts)
3. Interesting as ever
Wed Aug 31, 2022, 05:20 PM
Aug 2022

I’m wondering about the founders you describe, the leftist retirees. I had not heard of them before and am curious about your source, cause I’d bet you have a good one.

The whole Q thing is so profoundly sick. It would be silly if it weren’t so insane and grim. However it started, I’m crediting the Russian disinformation campaigns for spreading it so effectively. That’s my go-to conspiracy theory.

hedda_foil

(16,403 posts)
5. It's my most favored theory too, Easterncedar.
Wed Aug 31, 2022, 05:33 PM
Aug 2022

Now could Flynn have forwarded the idea to his Russian handlers? Of course.

H2O Man

(74,036 posts)
6. I think that
Wed Aug 31, 2022, 05:38 PM
Aug 2022

there is no doubt that "Q" and the Russian dis- and misinformation campaign are closely related, and have overlap. The collective of participants are all anti_us and anti-democracy.

Now, I recognize the first community member to respond may be right. Maybe Flynn has nothing to do with "Q." That would require that his July 4, 2020 oath of loyalty was very different than the oath he took to join the military and the Trump administration. I will say I don't agree, but am certainly okay with others thinking that.

Saoirse9

(3,710 posts)
9. As you know I lost a good friend 4 years ago
Thu Sep 1, 2022, 10:56 AM
Sep 2022

to QAnon. You called her a hypnotized chicken. That was a truly funny analogy. But it still broke my heart to watch my friend go crazy.

I do think Q was either designed by or taken over by the GOP as a great means of ramping up the disinformation from fox news. Fox is the 24 hour bullshit factory and Q is bullshit on steroids.

It isn't a very comforting thought, but bullshit and disinformation is all they have. Without it, they would all have been voted out years ago and they know it. I don't know how to help wake people up and make them see the truth. I don't have that skill. I don't know how we will help all these deluded people once the orange swamp thing is gone. But we will have to. First step is taking out fox news.

That scene from Pulp Fiction is one of my favorites. It is one of the few scenes from that movie that I like to watch because I hate violence. It's actually a very moving scene. A career killer decides to spare a man's life. I found the monologue here:

https://nerd-life.co.uk/2020/02/13/samuel-l-jacksons-monologue-at-the-end-of-pulp-fiction-ezekiel-2517/#:~:text=Ezekiel%2025%3A17%20actually%20just,lay%20my%20vengeance%20upon%20them.%E2%80%9D

“There’s a passage I got memorized. Ezekiel 25:17. “

“The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. “

“Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness, for he is truly his brother’s keeper and the finder of lost children and I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers and you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you!”

“Now… I been sayin’ that shit for years and if you ever heard it, that meant your ass. You’d be dead right now. I never gave much thought to what it meant, I just thought it was a cold-blooded thing to say to a motherfucker before I popped a cap in his ass, but I saw some shit this mornin’ made me think twice. “

“See, now I’m thinking: maybe it means you’re the evil man and I’m the righteous man and Mr. 9 mm here, he’s the shepherd protecting my righteous ass in the valley of darkness. “

“Or it could mean you’re the righteous man and I’m the shepherd and it’s the world that’s evil and selfish and I’d like that, but that shit ain’t the truth. The truth is you’re the weak and I’m the tyranny of evil men. But I’m tryin’, Ringo. I’m tryin’ real hard to be the shepherd.”

Lets all of us try real hard to be the shepherd.

H2O Man

(74,036 posts)
10. It's a great scene!
Thu Sep 1, 2022, 01:49 PM
Sep 2022

And it is really the only scene that I recall from the movie, as my son would often recite it when he was training for a boxing match.

Some of the people I know who had voted for Trump, despite not liking him as a person, have recognized their error. I think it will take time to peel the layers off. There will remain a core of "true believers," much like there are some who still believe that David Koresh was a prophet.

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