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Nevilledog

(51,184 posts)
Wed Aug 31, 2022, 01:18 AM Aug 2022

"HCS-P/SI/TK": Trump had super secret spy tech AND product information from human sources





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The image is actually quite telling. The secret/top secret documents found in Trump's office have a "TK" classification which stands for TALENT KEYHOLE aka secret intelligence from spy satellites and planes.
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So Trump had super secret spy tech AND product information from human sources in his office at Mar-a-Lago. It's a national security Hindenburg.

All of the secret/top secret coversheets in the FBI photo have the same classification heading:

"HCS-P/SI/TK"

HCS-P = Intelligence product derived from sensitive human sources.

SI = Special Intelligence aka Signals Intelligence (sensitive communications)

TK = Talent Keyhole.
10:12 PM · Aug 30, 2022



Sensitive compartmented information

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensitive_compartmented_information
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"HCS-P/SI/TK": Trump had super secret spy tech AND product information from human sources (Original Post) Nevilledog Aug 2022 OP
And if you look closely, you can see the HCS marking for human source intelligence. LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2022 #1
Yep. dalton99a Aug 2022 #2
Secret intelligence from spy planes and satellites LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2022 #5
I saw a tweet discussing the same list but the OP stopped at TK, crickets Aug 2022 #3
Now we know why Trump wanted Space Force, to get more info for Russia. nt okaawhatever Aug 2022 #13
Space Force has been wanted for a very long time jmowreader Aug 2022 #17
Good to know. Thanks. nt okaawhatever Sep 2022 #24
If I was a crappy President, it could be because I'd spend too much time reading that kind of brewens Aug 2022 #4
thanks for the chuckle orleans Sep 2022 #22
SO? That will be the response from MAGA world. Funtatlaguy Aug 2022 #6
That, COL Mustard Aug 2022 #7
"He's the real president and is entitled to have that" durablend Aug 2022 #8
Oh my jmowreader Aug 2022 #9
Considering that the actual documents in the pic are all completely redacted... malthaussen Aug 2022 #15
If they did, it would be a "straight secret" cover sheet jmowreader Aug 2022 #16
Kick! speak easy Aug 2022 #10
And Traitortrump is still walking free. Hermit-The-Prog Aug 2022 #11
DOJ is giving Trump the rope Johnny2X2X Aug 2022 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author malthaussen Aug 2022 #14
A true Treason Weasel! peggysue2 Aug 2022 #18
he'll kill himself before he spends a golden year in cuffs nt orleans Sep 2022 #23
Here's another one for you. Haggis 4 Breakfast Aug 2022 #19
Two points here infullview Aug 2022 #20
OMG you're right. IOW, he never wanted to declassify stuff he was scipan Sep 2022 #21
It could have been satellite transmissions from the Ukraine/Russia border? kentuck Sep 2022 #25

crickets

(25,982 posts)
3. I saw a tweet discussing the same list but the OP stopped at TK,
Wed Aug 31, 2022, 01:33 AM
Aug 2022

refusing to explain it. Now it makes sense as to why. This is spy satellite shit. Dayum.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensitive_compartmented_information#Control_systems

TALENT KEYHOLE (TK)
TK covers space-based IMINT (Imagery intelligence), SIGINT (Signals intelligence), and MASINT (Measurement and signature intelligence) collection platforms; related processing and analysis techniques; and research, design, and operation of these platforms (but see Reserve below).[15] The original TALENT compartment was created in the mid-1950s for the U-2. In 1960, it was broadened to cover all national aerial reconnaissance (to later include SR-71 sourced imagery) and the KEYHOLE compartment was created for satellite intelligence.[16] TALENT KEYHOLE is now a top-level control system; KEYHOLE is no longer a distinct compartment. Known compartments include RUFF (IMINT satellites), ZARF (ELINT satellites), and CHESS (U-2).[17] The KEYHOLE series KH-1 through KH-4b were part of the new TALENT-KEYHOLE designation.[18]


jmowreader

(50,562 posts)
17. Space Force has been wanted for a very long time
Wed Aug 31, 2022, 01:09 PM
Aug 2022

Air Force Space Command, which is now Space Force, always hated being part of the Air Force on funding grounds. If the Air Force gets a $200 billion budget, they’re going to request almost all of it go to fixed-wing programs and quality-of-life programs (the USAF has always been famous for how well they treat their people) and the space side will get whatever’s left over. As a separate service they have their own budget.

brewens

(13,618 posts)
4. If I was a crappy President, it could be because I'd spend too much time reading that kind of
Wed Aug 31, 2022, 02:28 AM
Aug 2022

stuff. I know Trump never would. Someone told him what to grab that would be valuable.

I'd demand all the UFO shit before the first week was over.

COL Mustard

(5,918 posts)
7. That,
Wed Aug 31, 2022, 03:44 AM
Aug 2022

Or he waved his magic declassification wand and made it all go away, never mind that there’s no record of it.

jmowreader

(50,562 posts)
9. Oh my
Wed Aug 31, 2022, 04:32 AM
Aug 2022

What that compartmentalization line says is the cover sheet can be used on documents in any one of those compartments - NOT that the document is in any of them.

Given that, I have full confidence Trump had documents in all three compartments.

malthaussen

(17,216 posts)
15. Considering that the actual documents in the pic are all completely redacted...
Wed Aug 31, 2022, 10:44 AM
Aug 2022

... that's a pretty safe bet. Now, I'm no Intel wonk, but I doubt they use a cover sheet for "up to HCS-P/SI/TK" for the President's hamberder order.

-- Mal

jmowreader

(50,562 posts)
16. If they did, it would be a "straight secret" cover sheet
Wed Aug 31, 2022, 01:02 PM
Aug 2022

There are different cover sheets for non compartmented information.

What I’m really saying is nothing can be in all three compartments at once. Take the TK compartment, which the National Reconnaissance Office - the agency that handles surveillance satellites - publicized in 1992. NRO owns signals intelligence birds. If NSA and NRO were collecting the same conversation between, say, Trump and Putin, the NSA take would be SI and, because it came off a satellite, NRO’s would be TK. It would receive the more restrictive compartment simply because of its collection platform.

Johnny2X2X

(19,108 posts)
12. DOJ is giving Trump the rope
Wed Aug 31, 2022, 09:56 AM
Aug 2022

These images are very carefully selected. They know these markings are going to tighten the noose around Trump, and they know he's going to respond to them. They also know this is going to peel away his defenders in the government.

This is damning stuff! I know when it first came down, FOX News listed human intelligence as a sort of red line, then they moved the line to signal intelligence. Now they're moving the line again I am sure.

And long ago the idea that this stuff was mismarked or the type of material that sometimes is classified when it really shouldn't be. This is indeed our most vital national security secrets.

Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

peggysue2

(10,839 posts)
18. A true Treason Weasel!
Wed Aug 31, 2022, 01:43 PM
Aug 2022

This is what transactional politics bought the Republicans and the country at large:

A man willing to sellout his country and every person who ever supported him for his own narcissistic satisfaction.

The GOP owns this massive betrayal, 100%.

Let's make them pay in the courts and at the ballot box! No Republican deserves to be elected to any office for the next generation.

As for Trump? He deserves absolute condemnation and jail time, his 'Golden Years' spent in cuffs.

Haggis 4 Breakfast

(1,454 posts)
19. Here's another one for you.
Wed Aug 31, 2022, 08:35 PM
Aug 2022

S/FRD = Nuclear information, as in MILITARY intelligence/NUCLEAR capabilities, as in R & D no longer, but prototypes and/or in actual usage.

I don't understand WHY they are pussy-footing around him. LOCK THIS SON OF A BITCH THE EFF UP ALREADY. God knows how badly we have been compromised. And he thinks he might run for president AGAIN ?!?!?! Over this veteran's rotting corpse.

infullview

(982 posts)
20. Two points here
Wed Aug 31, 2022, 10:48 PM
Aug 2022

1) It is clear we see the Top Secret cover sheets - but what about all the redacted items that are just blanked out.
2) While watching MSNBC the point was made the Trump wouldn't have wanted to declassify documents through the normal process because that would have destroyed their value.

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