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mopinko

(70,103 posts)
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 01:10 AM Aug 2022

he's demented. deep in the throes of dementia.

Last edited Sat Aug 27, 2022, 03:17 PM - Edit history (2)

we've debated here many times just what is in side the defeated former presidents head. i contend it's swiss cheese. it's a rat warren.
this pack rat stuff is classic. if he's a poor man, he sleeping in a greasy lazy boy surrounded by stack of paper and dead cats.

i've said before his only defense is diminished capacity. he has all the evidence he needs. the medical files at reed will show that his brain was not working when he came down the escalator. hopefully someday dr. ronnie feelgood gets sent to the brig for his performance at the white house podium. his run to reed when they thought he was having a stroke. there's a cat scan or an mri in his file that shows more void then gray matter. and then there's the covid thing. if any of his neurons were still talking to each other at that point, they have stopped. it's a slam dunk.
mark my words. when the indictment comes down expect the spawn to have him declared incompetent. any wagers?

i just want to clarify- i'm only talking about the paper hoarding here, and mostly post covid.
firmly believe, tho he was always a monster, a psychopath, and a hoarder like so many rich ppl are. after the hospital, his brain got much worse and thats' why people around him talked about 24a after jan 6.
they should have declared it while he was in the hosp, and i dont know why they didnt.

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he's demented. deep in the throes of dementia. (Original Post) mopinko Aug 2022 OP
His fundraising and gaslighting skills are intact. dalton99a Aug 2022 #1
Hah NJCher Aug 2022 #2
that's not even him. mopinko Aug 2022 #3
I think Bannon is the leading grifter malaise Aug 2022 #36
Nope. He's criming at the top of his game Arazi Aug 2022 #4
nope. he's a hoarder. was always a hoarder, like so many rich ppl. mopinko Aug 2022 #5
You're buying into his lawyers' excuse for him. Everything he does is for money and/or power. pnwmom Aug 2022 #19
no, i'm predicting what his lawyers/fam will do. mopinko Aug 2022 #37
He wouldn't qualify for an insanity defense. n/t pnwmom Aug 2022 #47
that's not what i said. diminished capacity. mopinko Aug 2022 #48
You said he should be locked up in a hospital for the criminally insane. pnwmom Aug 2022 #50
i do believe i said just that. mopinko Aug 2022 #51
Well, it isn't going to happen, no matter what we might prefer, because he won't meet the definition pnwmom Aug 2022 #52
that's why he would plead diminished capacity instead. mopinko Aug 2022 #53
Where are these criminal facilities for diminished capacity? nt pnwmom Aug 2022 #54
well, there's one in elgin il. mopinko Aug 2022 #55
That's what I'm saying. He won't meet the legal standard for shipment to a facility pnwmom Aug 2022 #56
are you a lawyer? mopinko Aug 2022 #57
A friend hired a lawyer and tried to get her schizophrenic mother locked up, as a threat to herself pnwmom Aug 2022 #58
i've dealt w it myself, i'm aware. but if they commit a crime, it's a whole diff ballgame. mopinko Aug 2022 #59
also- someone did a study of mass murderers. mopinko Aug 2022 #60
Flynn or Kushner Joinfortmill Aug 2022 #26
He wrote notes on the classified documents. tblue37 Aug 2022 #32
and? mopinko Aug 2022 #38
Commingling assets is an old scammer's trick dalton99a Aug 2022 #6
it's also what hoarders do. mopinko Aug 2022 #45
Yes and, he's a hoarder, and elleng Aug 2022 #8
i'm not disagreeing w that. what happens is that all your worst traits take over. mopinko Aug 2022 #9
Yes scamming is muscle memory for him. elleng Aug 2022 #13
He is well aware what is going on unblock Aug 2022 #7
he's not doing much. mopinko Aug 2022 #11
May have changed AZSkiffyGeek Aug 2022 #18
i think covid is what sent him over the edge. mopinko Aug 2022 #39
throes NameAlreadyTaken Aug 2022 #10
I agree. betsuni Aug 2022 #12
He's just fine. usonian Aug 2022 #14
Love this. Oh, how sweet it would be. Joinfortmill Aug 2022 #28
I've suggested that here b4, that he will claim physical and or mental incompetence and the PortTack Aug 2022 #15
there is proof. mopinko Aug 2022 #23
4 years ago I asked my therapist if he was crazy or not BigmanPigman Aug 2022 #16
crazy doesnt mean dumb. mopinko Aug 2022 #22
He's had an obvious serious personality disorder for decades. Hortensis Aug 2022 #17
see, that's the thing. mopinko Aug 2022 #21
Well, we know from events that you're right that he'd have much less of a Hortensis Aug 2022 #24
Well, regarding antivaxxers, you can blame big pharma for a lot of the distrust.. Joinfortmill Aug 2022 #29
Though, WHY are some antivaxxers bonkers and most people rational? Hortensis Aug 2022 #31
no. pharma distrust is how they reached many on the left. mopinko Aug 2022 #42
ty. you are the 1st here to actually grasp what i'm trying to say. mopinko Aug 2022 #41
+1000. tRumpists would have been Hitler loyalists and vice versa. Hortensis Aug 2022 #43
yup. i concur that the one person who could have stopped this was mark barnett. mopinko Aug 2022 #44
I like hearing Burnett's neighbors want to hang him, Hortensis Aug 2022 #46
lol. mopinko Aug 2022 #49
He's done so well I suspect he made a deal with the devil. Hortensis Aug 2022 #61
I believe that may well be his defense strategy... IrishAfricanAmerican Aug 2022 #20
A definite possibility. Joinfortmill Aug 2022 #25
In defense of those with loved ones actually suffering from Dementia.. HipChick Aug 2022 #27
if it were just him, or him and his cronies, it's one thing. mopinko Aug 2022 #30
Disagree! bluestarone Aug 2022 #33
well put a pin in that for when the images come out. mopinko Aug 2022 #34
Ok. You got a deal. if your right bluestarone Aug 2022 #35
i dont get to make a decision. mopinko Aug 2022 #40

NJCher

(35,671 posts)
2. Hah
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 01:18 AM
Aug 2022

Dalton, I was totally buying what mopinko had to say and then I read your post!

Yep, those are some pretty refined skills he’s got going.

mopinko

(70,103 posts)
3. that's not even him.
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 01:18 AM
Aug 2022

you think he cranks out those emails? c'mon man.

and yes, still grifting. when you lose the present, you revert to the past.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
4. Nope. He's criming at the top of his game
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 01:23 AM
Aug 2022

He isn’t dumb or demented.

He’s a dangerous mob criminal parlaying our nation’s most valuable secrets. He deliberately layered the personal bullshit stuff in the boxes with the classified documents to try to obfuscate them.

He’s escaped every single legal trap his entire life.

He may escape this one too. I never underestimate #Traitor

mopinko

(70,103 posts)
5. nope. he's a hoarder. was always a hoarder, like so many rich ppl.
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 01:27 AM
Aug 2022

if you've never had a person w dementia in your life, say a prayer that you continue to be so blessed.
i srsly doubt he even knew what he was taking.
he had orders for which docs to take. there is an accomplice somewhere high up. very high up.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
19. You're buying into his lawyers' excuse for him. Everything he does is for money and/or power.
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 03:30 AM
Aug 2022

He's "hoarding" items for barter or sale or blackmail.

mopinko

(70,103 posts)
37. no, i'm predicting what his lawyers/fam will do.
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 02:43 PM
Aug 2022

i'm sure he sold plenty, did all along. hell, sold his soul to get elected in the 1st place. and imho, this is exactly why vlad, et al, put him there.

i'm not excusing him. i'm saying spending the rest of his life in a 'hospital' for the criminally insane would be a better outcome for the country. and the world.
we've seen many madmen. we're never looked at their brains, and seen what went wrong. i think actually seeing it, on my teevee, all the dark, empty spots, it makes a difference and it'a vital thing to wrap our heads around if we want to never do this again.
he's our george III. that's where the british empire went off the rails.

mopinko

(70,103 posts)
48. that's not what i said. diminished capacity.
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 04:22 PM
Aug 2022

yeah, that old gangster in ny faked it and got away w it. but we have tech that is proof now.
we dont even need him to submit. it's all in his files at reed. you dont think he rly passed that screening, do you?

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
50. You said he should be locked up in a hospital for the criminally insane.
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 04:28 PM
Aug 2022

They don't put people in hospitals like that for diminished capacity.

mopinko

(70,103 posts)
51. i do believe i said just that.
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 04:33 PM
Aug 2022

it doesnt negate his criminality in any way. the thing about this disease is it reveals who you would be w no constraints. and that's all this is. peak trump.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
52. Well, it isn't going to happen, no matter what we might prefer, because he won't meet the definition
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 04:51 PM
Aug 2022

of criminally insane.

mopinko

(70,103 posts)
53. that's why he would plead diminished capacity instead.
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 05:26 PM
Aug 2022

they could still incarcerate him in an appropriate facility.

mopinko

(70,103 posts)
55. well, there's one in elgin il.
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 05:59 PM
Aug 2022

it's where we send our psycho murders here. or at least we used to. think we might ship them to the supermax downstate. but that's what supermax is for.
but there's plennnty of locked psyche facilities for out of control dementia patients.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
56. That's what I'm saying. He won't meet the legal standard for shipment to a facility
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 06:14 PM
Aug 2022

where the "psycho" murderers are locked up, or even for out of control dementia patients.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
58. A friend hired a lawyer and tried to get her schizophrenic mother locked up, as a threat to herself
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 07:13 PM
Aug 2022

and others, and failed. This is part of why there are significant numbers of mentally ill homeless people. Getting people committed is much harder than used to be.

For me, I can more easily imagine Trump going to prison than to a mental hospital. The other possibility is that he will end up leaving the US and going into exile in a country without an extradition treaty.

mopinko

(70,103 posts)
59. i've dealt w it myself, i'm aware. but if they commit a crime, it's a whole diff ballgame.
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 07:16 PM
Aug 2022

and it rly is splitting hairs. an insanity plea is based on the same thing- yes i did a crime, but my brain is broken. those ppl go to prison every day.

mopinko

(70,103 posts)
60. also- someone did a study of mass murderers.
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 07:18 PM
Aug 2022

did brain images. found more than a couple tumors. modern law needs to be aligned w brain science, in general.

mopinko

(70,103 posts)
45. it's also what hoarders do.
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 03:18 PM
Aug 2022

1 doesnt negate the other.
it explains how it got to be a habit, tho.

elleng

(130,908 posts)
8. Yes and, he's a hoarder, and
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 01:43 AM
Aug 2022

2019: Trump's White House issues an ominous request for a list of top U.S. spies.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217088564

The CIA sent a top-secret cable warning agents that too many informants were getting killed or turned into double agents, report says.

https://www.salon.com/2019/08/03/trumps-white-house-issues-an-ominous-request-for-a-list-of-top-u-s-spies_partner/


a lifelong con artist

mopinko

(70,103 posts)
9. i'm not disagreeing w that. what happens is that all your worst traits take over.
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 01:47 AM
Aug 2022

scamming is muscle memory for him. what you lose is the governors, the norms, the conventions.
i know someone who had to put both parents in the home cuz dad kept hitting on the car givers. he'd never done that, but he'd always been a flirt.

nothing holding them back.

unblock

(52,227 posts)
7. He is well aware what is going on
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 01:41 AM
Aug 2022

Just because his gaslighting technique is massively confusing doesn't mean he isn't aware what is going on or what he is doing.

AZSkiffyGeek

(11,023 posts)
18. May have changed
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 02:43 AM
Aug 2022

But at the start of his administration, you could tell if it was him or someone else because he used an iPhone and his staff used Android and it showed on the Tweets.

mopinko

(70,103 posts)
39. i think covid is what sent him over the edge.
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 02:50 PM
Aug 2022

i'm guessing the stress of the office was a bit much for him, too.
tillerson called him a 'fucking moron'. tho i'm sure he meant it in common parlance, but there used to be a medical definition for that word.
i think after the coke years, something had already snapped. his asst barbara res says that was the point where- you couldnt tell him anything.
i hear that, and i think- broken brain.

and i guess that's my point. we need to learn the diff between eccentric and insane.

PortTack

(32,767 posts)
15. I've suggested that here b4, that he will claim physical and or mental incompetence and the
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 02:25 AM
Aug 2022

Legal experts we have hear all say that’s a very very high bar that he will not be able to meet. Hope so!

mopinko

(70,103 posts)
23. there is proof.
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 07:33 AM
Aug 2022

whatever tests/images are in his med records, they'll be obvious even to laymen. talking heads.

BigmanPigman

(51,593 posts)
16. 4 years ago I asked my therapist if he was crazy or not
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 02:33 AM
Aug 2022

and my doctor said he was "crazy as a fox". That did it for me.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
17. He's had an obvious serious personality disorder for decades.
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 02:40 AM
Aug 2022

With the entire world watching this demonstration of what this one type of personality disorder is, how can we be incredibly, and dangerously ignorant of this problem? Do we imagine the right or LW zealots will never try to elect another mentally defective megalomaniac? Dangerous extremist leaders ALL have diagnosable personality disorders.

Agree with cottage cheese brain, though, albeit a malignant cottage cheese salad. But I see no reason to deflect to or offer his loyalists and apologists an excuse of advancing dementia.

Worth remembering, everyone: Fred tRump died of Alzheimer's at age 93. Alzheimer's typically runs about 10 years from onset to death, which would have put onset in his early 80s. tRump is now 76. If only tRump was in early stages when elected; that'd at least mean he now required full-time care and wouldn't know what a cell phone was even if he accidentally got hold of a nurse's.

mopinko

(70,103 posts)
21. see, that's the thing.
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 07:30 AM
Aug 2022

we can believe it, except if we think it exonerates him.
but here's thing- i'd rather have him be shown to be bonkers than evil. i rly think the that is a better cautionary tale for the modern. hitler was clearly insane but we didnt get a look at his brain,
we already have pictures. pic that can be subpoenaed, btw. hipaa allows a judge to say- lets take a look.
the whole world needs to understand who these ppl are, and why.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
24. Well, we know from events that you're right that he'd have much less of a
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 12:44 PM
Aug 2022

following if thought to be bonkers, and it'd embarrass those forced to realize it now.

Those who flock to RW "strongmen" to unleash evil on their behalf would have looked elsewhere, though. Society really needs to be able to recognize those they're looking for, and are looking to them for power.

Why the great societal resistance to the reality of personality disorders -- and tRump's type specifically as an obvious answer to him? It's not just the existence of Covid that was massively rejected, or merely ignored, since 2016, and it's not confined to the right but across the spectrum. But at least even the right and science-rejecting woo-woo types finally admit Covid's real.

Societies over millennia of understandable ignorance tended to view the personality-disordered as people of normal capabilities who just insisted on behaving very oddly. Science knows much better now, though, so why is so much of modern society rejecting new awareness ( refusing to become "woke" ), even after living through a giant national lesson? Those who've survived it so far, anyway.

To my mind this IS a huge phenomenon, and your innocent post just reminded me of this big thing all over again.

Joinfortmill

(14,420 posts)
29. Well, regarding antivaxxers, you can blame big pharma for a lot of the distrust..
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 12:57 PM
Aug 2022

Capitalism gone amok. They took control of their own testing, sorta like the fox in the hen house. That's why government is a good thing.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
31. Though, WHY are some antivaxxers bonkers and most people rational?
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 02:12 PM
Aug 2022

Patterns of personality traits and their functions, malfunctions and imbalances explain most of us pretty well now, incredibly better than diagnoses of demonic possession and female hysteria ever did. More always being learned, of course.

Btw, personality DISORDER is diagnosed when some of the personality traits everyone has become CHRONICALLY so dysfunctional that they make people unable to take adequate care of themselves and function in society. Just having an imbalance toward irrational distrust and suspicion, victimization complexes, and "woo-woo," like a lot of antivaxxers, is common and considered within the range of "normal" as long as they're (usually) able to function adequately in society.

mopinko

(70,103 posts)
42. no. pharma distrust is how they reached many on the left.
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 02:58 PM
Aug 2022

this is a long running campaign. it didnt start in 16.
the anti-vaxxers were the 1st wave.

mopinko

(70,103 posts)
41. ty. you are the 1st here to actually grasp what i'm trying to say.
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 02:56 PM
Aug 2022

and this is not my 1st thread on the topic. not an innocent post at all.
yes, they would know that any followers he had are mad as well. and perhaps some eyes open in the base. who knows.

poking ppls fears is long time thug/authoritarian tactic. we need to recognize when they're fucking w our heads. and see that tech has made it a borderless problem.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
43. +1000. tRumpists would have been Hitler loyalists and vice versa.
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 03:12 PM
Aug 2022

Inability to understand this element of society and to recognize when it threatens to rise is a dreadful weakness. Those who've studied authoritarians, though, say many are appalled when lead to realize what they are doing and want to be different (they tend to be extremely lacking in self awareness), so it is likely general societal awareness would mean eyes more open in the base too, less vulnerability to sociopathic leader wannabes.

After all, before tRump became the Great Leader, he was already someone people had to make a lot of excuses to themselves and others for admiring. That could and should have been much harder for them.



mopinko

(70,103 posts)
44. yup. i concur that the one person who could have stopped this was mark barnett.
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 03:16 PM
Aug 2022

apparently everyone in malibu wants to hang him.
the one trumpkin in my life thought the apprentice was real.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
46. I like hearing Burnett's neighbors want to hang him,
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 03:50 PM
Aug 2022

though I hope they'd have the sense to also drive a stake through his heart and burn his torso to make sure he stayed dead.

mopinko

(70,103 posts)
49. lol.
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 04:24 PM
Aug 2022

maybe they're hoping for a wildfire, and have a plan to make sure he gets trapped in his house.

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
27. In defense of those with loved ones actually suffering from Dementia..
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 12:50 PM
Aug 2022

and have to care for them...


His brain has been deeply flawed.. how to get over as a mediocre privileged white male..

America has itself to blame too...mental health of those that follow, hero worship him

mopinko

(70,103 posts)
30. if it were just him, or him and his cronies, it's one thing.
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 01:57 PM
Aug 2022

but this whole nightmare has left this country, and much of the world, mindfucked.

i wont bother to ask again for compassion for those who fell down this hole, but it wouldndt hurt anyone here to find some. they're less culpable here than most.

bluestarone

(16,940 posts)
33. Disagree!
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 02:18 PM
Aug 2022

He's an EVIL bastard! Smart enough to try the mental incompetent game! NO WAY! This is exactly who he is!

mopinko

(70,103 posts)
34. well put a pin in that for when the images come out.
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 02:32 PM
Aug 2022

i'mma bookmark this thread. count on it. if i'm wrong, i'll admit it.

but 'cmon, they almost did a 24a on him. you've heard the formers, gen milley, tillerson, who was there in the beginning, how many more?
i am in no way lobbying for any kind of mercy. let him rot in prison psyche ward. but i do believe i am mostly correct. and i'm just talking about the paper hoarding here.
he had more than enough connected neurons in the beginning. but saner ppl have come out of covid w wrecked brains.
and he was always a crook, and w/out the normal counterbalance you have when you're younger, ppl become their worst selves.

bluestarone

(16,940 posts)
35. Ok. You got a deal. if your right
Sat Aug 27, 2022, 02:38 PM
Aug 2022

I'll agree you were right in your thinking, But i won't agree with their decision.

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