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we've debated here many times just what is in side the defeated former presidents head. i contend it's swiss cheese. it's a rat warren.
this pack rat stuff is classic. if he's a poor man, he sleeping in a greasy lazy boy surrounded by stack of paper and dead cats.
i've said before his only defense is diminished capacity. he has all the evidence he needs. the medical files at reed will show that his brain was not working when he came down the escalator. hopefully someday dr. ronnie feelgood gets sent to the brig for his performance at the white house podium. his run to reed when they thought he was having a stroke. there's a cat scan or an mri in his file that shows more void then gray matter. and then there's the covid thing. if any of his neurons were still talking to each other at that point, they have stopped. it's a slam dunk.
mark my words. when the indictment comes down expect the spawn to have him declared incompetent. any wagers?
i just want to clarify- i'm only talking about the paper hoarding here, and mostly post covid.
firmly believe, tho he was always a monster, a psychopath, and a hoarder like so many rich ppl are. after the hospital, his brain got much worse and thats' why people around him talked about 24a after jan 6.
they should have declared it while he was in the hosp, and i dont know why they didnt.
dalton99a
(81,488 posts)Dalton, I was totally buying what mopinko had to say and then I read your post!
Yep, those are some pretty refined skills hes got going.
mopinko
(70,103 posts)you think he cranks out those emails? c'mon man.
and yes, still grifting. when you lose the present, you revert to the past.
malaise
(268,998 posts)see the Wall
Arazi
(6,829 posts)He isnt dumb or demented.
Hes a dangerous mob criminal parlaying our nations most valuable secrets. He deliberately layered the personal bullshit stuff in the boxes with the classified documents to try to obfuscate them.
Hes escaped every single legal trap his entire life.
He may escape this one too. I never underestimate #Traitor
mopinko
(70,103 posts)if you've never had a person w dementia in your life, say a prayer that you continue to be so blessed.
i srsly doubt he even knew what he was taking.
he had orders for which docs to take. there is an accomplice somewhere high up. very high up.
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)He's "hoarding" items for barter or sale or blackmail.
mopinko
(70,103 posts)i'm sure he sold plenty, did all along. hell, sold his soul to get elected in the 1st place. and imho, this is exactly why vlad, et al, put him there.
i'm not excusing him. i'm saying spending the rest of his life in a 'hospital' for the criminally insane would be a better outcome for the country. and the world.
we've seen many madmen. we're never looked at their brains, and seen what went wrong. i think actually seeing it, on my teevee, all the dark, empty spots, it makes a difference and it'a vital thing to wrap our heads around if we want to never do this again.
he's our george III. that's where the british empire went off the rails.
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)mopinko
(70,103 posts)yeah, that old gangster in ny faked it and got away w it. but we have tech that is proof now.
we dont even need him to submit. it's all in his files at reed. you dont think he rly passed that screening, do you?
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)They don't put people in hospitals like that for diminished capacity.
mopinko
(70,103 posts)it doesnt negate his criminality in any way. the thing about this disease is it reveals who you would be w no constraints. and that's all this is. peak trump.
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)of criminally insane.
mopinko
(70,103 posts)they could still incarcerate him in an appropriate facility.
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)mopinko
(70,103 posts)it's where we send our psycho murders here. or at least we used to. think we might ship them to the supermax downstate. but that's what supermax is for.
but there's plennnty of locked psyche facilities for out of control dementia patients.
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)where the "psycho" murderers are locked up, or even for out of control dementia patients.
mopinko
(70,103 posts)there's always involuntary commitment.
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)and others, and failed. This is part of why there are significant numbers of mentally ill homeless people. Getting people committed is much harder than used to be.
For me, I can more easily imagine Trump going to prison than to a mental hospital. The other possibility is that he will end up leaving the US and going into exile in a country without an extradition treaty.
mopinko
(70,103 posts)and it rly is splitting hairs. an insanity plea is based on the same thing- yes i did a crime, but my brain is broken. those ppl go to prison every day.
mopinko
(70,103 posts)did brain images. found more than a couple tumors. modern law needs to be aligned w brain science, in general.
Joinfortmill
(14,420 posts)tblue37
(65,357 posts)i'm not saying he's inert, i'm saying he's insane.
that doesnt sound insane to you?
dalton99a
(81,488 posts)Trump is a lifelong con artist
mopinko
(70,103 posts)1 doesnt negate the other.
it explains how it got to be a habit, tho.
elleng
(130,908 posts)2019: Trump's White House issues an ominous request for a list of top U.S. spies.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217088564
The CIA sent a top-secret cable warning agents that too many informants were getting killed or turned into double agents, report says.
https://www.salon.com/2019/08/03/trumps-white-house-issues-an-ominous-request-for-a-list-of-top-u-s-spies_partner/
a lifelong con artist
mopinko
(70,103 posts)scamming is muscle memory for him. what you lose is the governors, the norms, the conventions.
i know someone who had to put both parents in the home cuz dad kept hitting on the car givers. he'd never done that, but he'd always been a flirt.
nothing holding them back.
elleng
(130,908 posts)unblock
(52,227 posts)Just because his gaslighting technique is massively confusing doesn't mean he isn't aware what is going on or what he is doing.
mopinko
(70,103 posts)i doubt he writes his own untweets.
AZSkiffyGeek
(11,023 posts)But at the start of his administration, you could tell if it was him or someone else because he used an iPhone and his staff used Android and it showed on the Tweets.
mopinko
(70,103 posts)i'm guessing the stress of the office was a bit much for him, too.
tillerson called him a 'fucking moron'. tho i'm sure he meant it in common parlance, but there used to be a medical definition for that word.
i think after the coke years, something had already snapped. his asst barbara res says that was the point where- you couldnt tell him anything.
i hear that, and i think- broken brain.
and i guess that's my point. we need to learn the diff between eccentric and insane.
NameAlreadyTaken
(977 posts)betsuni
(25,524 posts)usonian
(9,802 posts)A little nervous, maybe. He could use some quiet time by himself, reading.
Joinfortmill
(14,420 posts)PortTack
(32,767 posts)Legal experts we have hear all say thats a very very high bar that he will not be able to meet. Hope so!
mopinko
(70,103 posts)whatever tests/images are in his med records, they'll be obvious even to laymen. talking heads.
BigmanPigman
(51,593 posts)and my doctor said he was "crazy as a fox". That did it for me.
mopinko
(70,103 posts)crazy and genius are practically synonymous.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)With the entire world watching this demonstration of what this one type of personality disorder is, how can we be incredibly, and dangerously ignorant of this problem? Do we imagine the right or LW zealots will never try to elect another mentally defective megalomaniac? Dangerous extremist leaders ALL have diagnosable personality disorders.
Agree with cottage cheese brain, though, albeit a malignant cottage cheese salad. But I see no reason to deflect to or offer his loyalists and apologists an excuse of advancing dementia.
Worth remembering, everyone: Fred tRump died of Alzheimer's at age 93. Alzheimer's typically runs about 10 years from onset to death, which would have put onset in his early 80s. tRump is now 76. If only tRump was in early stages when elected; that'd at least mean he now required full-time care and wouldn't know what a cell phone was even if he accidentally got hold of a nurse's.
mopinko
(70,103 posts)we can believe it, except if we think it exonerates him.
but here's thing- i'd rather have him be shown to be bonkers than evil. i rly think the that is a better cautionary tale for the modern. hitler was clearly insane but we didnt get a look at his brain,
we already have pictures. pic that can be subpoenaed, btw. hipaa allows a judge to say- lets take a look.
the whole world needs to understand who these ppl are, and why.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)following if thought to be bonkers, and it'd embarrass those forced to realize it now.
Those who flock to RW "strongmen" to unleash evil on their behalf would have looked elsewhere, though. Society really needs to be able to recognize those they're looking for, and are looking to them for power.
Why the great societal resistance to the reality of personality disorders -- and tRump's type specifically as an obvious answer to him? It's not just the existence of Covid that was massively rejected, or merely ignored, since 2016, and it's not confined to the right but across the spectrum. But at least even the right and science-rejecting woo-woo types finally admit Covid's real.
Societies over millennia of understandable ignorance tended to view the personality-disordered as people of normal capabilities who just insisted on behaving very oddly. Science knows much better now, though, so why is so much of modern society rejecting new awareness ( refusing to become "woke" ), even after living through a giant national lesson? Those who've survived it so far, anyway.
To my mind this IS a huge phenomenon, and your innocent post just reminded me of this big thing all over again.
Joinfortmill
(14,420 posts)Capitalism gone amok. They took control of their own testing, sorta like the fox in the hen house. That's why government is a good thing.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Patterns of personality traits and their functions, malfunctions and imbalances explain most of us pretty well now, incredibly better than diagnoses of demonic possession and female hysteria ever did. More always being learned, of course.
Btw, personality DISORDER is diagnosed when some of the personality traits everyone has become CHRONICALLY so dysfunctional that they make people unable to take adequate care of themselves and function in society. Just having an imbalance toward irrational distrust and suspicion, victimization complexes, and "woo-woo," like a lot of antivaxxers, is common and considered within the range of "normal" as long as they're (usually) able to function adequately in society.
mopinko
(70,103 posts)this is a long running campaign. it didnt start in 16.
the anti-vaxxers were the 1st wave.
mopinko
(70,103 posts)and this is not my 1st thread on the topic. not an innocent post at all.
yes, they would know that any followers he had are mad as well. and perhaps some eyes open in the base. who knows.
poking ppls fears is long time thug/authoritarian tactic. we need to recognize when they're fucking w our heads. and see that tech has made it a borderless problem.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Inability to understand this element of society and to recognize when it threatens to rise is a dreadful weakness. Those who've studied authoritarians, though, say many are appalled when lead to realize what they are doing and want to be different (they tend to be extremely lacking in self awareness), so it is likely general societal awareness would mean eyes more open in the base too, less vulnerability to sociopathic leader wannabes.
After all, before tRump became the Great Leader, he was already someone people had to make a lot of excuses to themselves and others for admiring. That could and should have been much harder for them.
mopinko
(70,103 posts)apparently everyone in malibu wants to hang him.
the one trumpkin in my life thought the apprentice was real.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)though I hope they'd have the sense to also drive a stake through his heart and burn his torso to make sure he stayed dead.
maybe they're hoping for a wildfire, and have a plan to make sure he gets trapped in his house.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)That'd explain everything.
IrishAfricanAmerican
(3,816 posts)if he doesn't flee.
Joinfortmill
(14,420 posts)HipChick
(25,485 posts)and have to care for them...
His brain has been deeply flawed.. how to get over as a mediocre privileged white male..
America has itself to blame too...mental health of those that follow, hero worship him
mopinko
(70,103 posts)but this whole nightmare has left this country, and much of the world, mindfucked.
i wont bother to ask again for compassion for those who fell down this hole, but it wouldndt hurt anyone here to find some. they're less culpable here than most.
bluestarone
(16,940 posts)He's an EVIL bastard! Smart enough to try the mental incompetent game! NO WAY! This is exactly who he is!
mopinko
(70,103 posts)i'mma bookmark this thread. count on it. if i'm wrong, i'll admit it.
but 'cmon, they almost did a 24a on him. you've heard the formers, gen milley, tillerson, who was there in the beginning, how many more?
i am in no way lobbying for any kind of mercy. let him rot in prison psyche ward. but i do believe i am mostly correct. and i'm just talking about the paper hoarding here.
he had more than enough connected neurons in the beginning. but saner ppl have come out of covid w wrecked brains.
and he was always a crook, and w/out the normal counterbalance you have when you're younger, ppl become their worst selves.
bluestarone
(16,940 posts)I'll agree you were right in your thinking, But i won't agree with their decision.
mopinko
(70,103 posts)the courts will.