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H2O Man

(74,036 posts)
Fri Aug 19, 2022, 03:52 PM Aug 2022

Trains & War

"It's such a dangerous thing for desperation to drive litigation." -- Neal Katyal

One of the best things about the DU community is that there are posts that really make one think. Even see things connected in a different way. Indeed, there are four OP/threads that I've read and participated in over the last few hours come to mind. Two from last night, and two from today.

PCIntern's "Okay ... you heard it first here" sets the tone. The current atmosphere in this country is a combination of uncertainty and anticipation. The discussion includes Yeats:

"Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity "

Tommymac delivered the next issue, which may sound tangential to PCIntern's at first. CREW has scored a major victory that I think important on several levels: https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217061849

The third comes from Nevilledog, about the "vindication of Bandy Lee." It is a reminder that Dr. Lee warned this country about "The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump." And that she paid a price for telling the truth. President Kennedy said that there was a reason why his 1956 book "Profiles in Courage" was a thin volume. No person put more on the line than Dr. Lee.

Just as she explained the core of Trump's sociopathic being, and what it could and would result in if not firmly addressed, we find ourselves in a similar place today ..... for exactly as Dr. Lee has noted, Trump becomes more dangerous under great pressure -- because he can inspire his cult to commit acts of great violence. January 6 was an obvious example of this. That can happen again, in a closely related manner, if not firmly addressed now.

The intensity of the combined criminal investigations that are threatening Trump appear to be a light at the end of the tunnel. But as the old joke goes, that light could be a train engine coming down the tracks. And it could be Jimi Hendrix's "Hear My Train a Comin'" or it might be Bob Dylan's "Slow Train Coming." Or something else coming as scheduled.

I think that we all agree that Trump is willfully stupid. In a real sense, he reminds me of Hitler, who knew a little about a lot of things, and although an expert on nothing except exploiting hatred. was able to manipulate masses to be violent. Perhaps the best measure of the danger is found in "milestogo's" important OP, "TFG is the 'messiah of America'":

Yet not all of those surrounding Trump are equally stupid. Yes, we've seen the John Eastman-types. But a particularly dangerous one is Kash Patel, who has served in Trump's administration, and has been laying the groundwork for the next outbreak of mass-violence. Start with his claim that many of the classified documents Trump had related to the FBI investigation of the Trump campaign's ties to Russia:

Now, if the judge and DOJ release a redacted afficavit, and the pressure increases on Trump, can there be any doubt that he will tell his flock of externally-controlled, sheep-mentalitied flock that he had "proof" of "Deep State" corruption that the government does not want them to see? That it is a terrible plot against the American flag and the bible? That this is the Holy War they must win? That God sent him to lead them to the Promised Land?

These are the things I think about while reading the intense contributions of our community members. It's amazing that there are so many important issues being collected and discussed in one place.

H2O Man

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Trains & War (Original Post) H2O Man Aug 2022 OP
it wasnt just the 6th. iirc mopinko Aug 2022 #1
Definitely! H2O Man Aug 2022 #6
Well stated Saboburns Aug 2022 #2
Thanks! H2O Man Aug 2022 #7
Excellent post as always, H2O man! Elessar Zappa Aug 2022 #3
Thank you! H2O Man Aug 2022 #8
Great compilation, H2O Hekate Aug 2022 #4
Thanks! H2O Man Aug 2022 #9
Very thought-provoking OP, H2O Man! summer_in_TX Aug 2022 #5
Thanks!Malaise posted the link to the first one H2O Man Aug 2022 #10
A fabulous post malaise Aug 2022 #11
Thank you! H2O Man Aug 2022 #13
I think we'll be hearing some jaw dropping details related to malaise Aug 2022 #14
One thing that H2O Man Aug 2022 #17
True, but until then he can grift his way to millions from malaise Aug 2022 #20
Oh, absolutely! H2O Man Aug 2022 #21
Yep malaise Aug 2022 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author malaise Aug 2022 #12
All right, I came in this thread expecting some of this: EX500rider Aug 2022 #15
Maybe this? H2O Man Aug 2022 #18
Power of bad ideas. Kid Berwyn Aug 2022 #16
Yes, exactly. H2O Man Aug 2022 #19
That's why no Contact, IMO. Kid Berwyn Aug 2022 #25
Thanks! K&R spanone Aug 2022 #22
Thank you! H2O Man Aug 2022 #23


(70,758 posts)
1. it wasnt just the 6th. iirc
Fri Aug 19, 2022, 04:34 PM
Aug 2022

there were militias either at state capitals or calling for ppl to come, to object to the certification of the electors on dec 14.
then there's the whole- kidnapping the gov of mich thing.


(2,807 posts)
2. Well stated
Fri Aug 19, 2022, 04:49 PM
Aug 2022

Last edited Fri Aug 19, 2022, 05:47 PM - Edit history (2)

And well thought through.

I expect the convulsions and madness, and yes limited violence, that we see of the Deplorables will continue worsening as we head down this rather longish corridor towards a final reckoning with Justice for one Donald J. Trump. It is they who are the 'turning and widening gyre, who's center cannot hold'. Soon however, there will be a threshold we will cross, one that we'll all recognize, them too. This will end with everlasting infamy on a man who so richly earned it.

H2O Man

(74,036 posts)
7. Thanks!
Fri Aug 19, 2022, 06:06 PM
Aug 2022

I agree with you completely. It is Trump who will be remembered as the worst person in US history. And his cult will be scattered like a bag of shit dust in the wind.

H2O Man

(74,036 posts)
9. Thanks!
Fri Aug 19, 2022, 06:08 PM
Aug 2022

I just got in from the evening watering of my garden. Still a bit slower carrying buckets of water out there, but it feels good to have it done. It looks like we might get some rain by Sunday, but definitely on Sunday through Monday. Much needed!


(2,805 posts)
5. Very thought-provoking OP, H2O Man!
Fri Aug 19, 2022, 05:37 PM
Aug 2022

The Nevilledog post led me to a link to your own interview of Dr. Bandy X. Lee back in 2019.


Quite a fascinating interview. Dr. Lee’s (and your) assessment are spot on. We are now in even greater great danger from Trump as DJT is under great pressure from so many investigation closing in on him. Inspiring more violence is certainly coming,

I hope the fact that many Dem leaders in the House and Senate had read Duty to Warn means they have been taking steps to prepare.

H2O Man

(74,036 posts)
10. Thanks!Malaise posted the link to the first one
Fri Aug 19, 2022, 06:12 PM
Aug 2022

on that OP/thread, and I then posted the links to the second two. I think they are all important, and illustrate much of what we are seeing today and will continue to see.

Dr. Lee and others did meet with a number of members of the House and Senate back then. I think that the law-makers came away with a much better idea of Trump's being, and the threats he posed.

H2O Man

(74,036 posts)
13. Thank you!
Fri Aug 19, 2022, 06:19 PM
Aug 2022

I'll be surprised if, within the next two weeks, we do not hear more lies about Trump wanting to "expose" the FBI (and intelligence community at large) for engaging in "dirty tricks" while investigating the 2016 campaign's ties with Russian military intelligence.

I'm also thinking about the timing of the search warrant. We may learn that Trump was already sharing intelligence with Russia, Saudi Arabia, or both.


(270,945 posts)
14. I think we'll be hearing some jaw dropping details related to
Fri Aug 19, 2022, 07:56 PM
Aug 2022

the Slobfather and his inner circle’s criminality for years to come.

H2O Man

(74,036 posts)
17. One thing that
Sat Aug 20, 2022, 11:21 AM
Aug 2022

I find hilarious is that Trump & his legal team absolutely do not want the affidavit made public. His legal team had attended the Thursday hearing, but not as participants. My impression is his lawyers were not pleased that Donald had sent Judicial Watch a letter saying he agreed with their position that it needed to be unsealed.

If and when the information in that affidavit becomes public, Trump's standing among republicans will plunge.


(270,945 posts)
20. True, but until then he can grift his way to millions from
Sat Aug 20, 2022, 11:43 AM
Aug 2022

the gullible while playing victim.
Spreading misinformation to rob the gullible is what he does best.

H2O Man

(74,036 posts)
21. Oh, absolutely!
Sat Aug 20, 2022, 12:06 PM
Aug 2022

We know from studying nature that cats meow, dogs bark, fish swim, and Trump grifts.

While I'm neither better nor worse than others at predicting how things will unfold, I'm confident that the Trumpers will be claiming that Donald only had those documents in a noble effort to uncover the dreaded Deep State's persecution of him relating to the Russia investigation. That could make for a heck of a fund-raiser.

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Kid Berwyn

(15,673 posts)
16. Power of bad ideas.
Fri Aug 19, 2022, 08:50 PM
Aug 2022

It takes more than good ideas to drive one out.

It requires numbers. Sometimes huge numbers and multiples.

H2O Man

(74,036 posts)
19. Yes, exactly.
Sat Aug 20, 2022, 11:41 AM
Aug 2022

The Iroquois' concept of The Power of the Good Mind is required ..... people putting their minds together, and the acting upon it.

Kid Berwyn

(15,673 posts)
25. That's why no Contact, IMO.
Sat Aug 20, 2022, 01:37 PM
Aug 2022

Last edited Sat Aug 20, 2022, 05:16 PM - Edit history (1)

Doesn’t matter if Fermi’s Paradox rules or if there’s just too much time and space for intelligent species to cross paths. Like two bodies in space gravitationally attract, life will find other life.

The visitors to earth would immediately see how we treat one another. If those of us who have more than enough can’t find it in ourselves to help others in need, an advanced alien race would know where they would stand.

Humanity needs apply the Power of the Good Mind. We’d transform the planet. Then the place will be inviting to Others.

ETA: Ours would be a world worthy of our Elders and Children.

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