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H2O Man

(73,997 posts)
Thu Aug 18, 2022, 02:43 PM Aug 2022

Public Prosecutors

"Contrary to common belief, the presumption of innocence applies only inside a courtroom. It has no applicability elsewhere ...."
-- Vincent Bugliosi; Outrage; Dell Publishing; 1996; pages 21 - 22.

Vince Bugliosi wrote some important books. The talented yet flawed former prosecutor had a straight forward manner of communicating. Two of my favorites were "The Betrayal of America" on how the Supreme Court selected George W. Bush for president, and "The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder." Both are classics.

A few minutes ago, as I was selecting part of today's meal from my garden, I was thinking about an OP/thread I had just read. Malaise's "slobfather" posts always make me happy, and today's "lottery of indictments" is no exception -- though it is exceptional that the "slobfather" is in so much legal jeapardy!

As participants in the court of public opinion, we have no need to go by the "innocent until proven guilty" bit. Obviously, we recognize that prosecutors have to prove that guilt inside a courtroom. But there is enough evidence -- beyond any doubt -- that he is guilty as sin. Malaise, as the DU jury foreperson, has guided us to a unanimus verdict again, so say us all.

But that -- at least in my mind -- presents us with another role in the larger court of public opinion. As important as it is to engage in well-informed discussions here, it is equally important that we prosecute the case in the larger court of public opinion. Although it may seem that the vast majority of people have already made up their mind one way or the other, there are some who are either undecided, or not firm in their opinion that Trump and his cult pose a serious threat to this country.

There are a number of good issues that we need to be campaigning on as the November elections approach. The Supreme Court that Bugliosi correctly called corrupt has only decayed further with its overturning of Roe. Other issues that we can't anticipate will arise in upcoming days and weeks. Still, to borrow from Bugliosi, if as public prosecutors we present the slobfather handcuffed and in chains, those undecided jurors will help us sentence him and his ilk.

I rest my case. Thank you for your consideration.

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Public Prosecutors (Original Post) H2O Man Aug 2022 OP
As a juror in the court of public opinion SalviaBlue Aug 2022 #1
Thank you! H2O Man Aug 2022 #2
Big surprise to me too Saoirse9 Aug 2022 #4
I think it H2O Man Aug 2022 #9
The radicalized Republican party is guilty. Hermit-The-Prog Aug 2022 #3
Your post reminded me H2O Man Aug 2022 #7
I went looking, but found, instead... Hermit-The-Prog Aug 2022 #10
Ari is talking about Slobby's problems malaise Aug 2022 #5
The good news H2O Man Aug 2022 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author malaise Aug 2022 #6

H2O Man

(73,997 posts)
2. Thank you!
Thu Aug 18, 2022, 04:13 PM
Aug 2022

Speaking of the unanticipated -- if parts of the affidavit do end up released by November, it will be great! I didn't think that the judge would allow any of it unsealed. I recognize that it is likely to take time, and that it could be delayed more if the DOJ appeals the decision. But I think it will help cement the case against Trump.


(3,703 posts)
4. Big surprise to me too
Thu Aug 18, 2022, 05:05 PM
Aug 2022

but if they're not releasing witness names or investigation methods, that's good.

I guess I have mixed feelings because I feel that if Garland didn't want anything released the judge should have listened to him.

And then there's the brilliant slobfather legal team -- they shouldn't have asked for the affidavit to be released the idiots.

Now it will be out there.

Willful retention of national defense information
Concealment or removal of govt records
Obstruction of federal investigation

H2O Man

(73,997 posts)
9. I think it
Thu Aug 18, 2022, 11:44 PM
Aug 2022

is a good thing. And I think Garland is fine with what the judge released today. I'm confident that the judge isn't going to release names or identifying information. Plus, if Garland disagrees with the ruling, he can appeal it at higher levels.


(34,137 posts)
3. The radicalized Republican party is guilty.
Thu Aug 18, 2022, 04:35 PM
Aug 2022

Roe was a catalyst that spurred the radicals to further extremism. Each Republican legislature seems determined to out-crazy every other, from deadly restrictions on abortion to anti-democracy suppression of voters. Republicans running for office promise nothing but fealty to trump, more restrictions, less regulation, and destruction of public education.

The sentence should be ouster from office until a sane party replaces the radicalized Republican party.

H2O Man

(73,997 posts)
7. Your post reminded me
Thu Aug 18, 2022, 11:37 PM
Aug 2022

of a quote from 1966, when Senator Eugene McCarthy compared republicans to mold. I'll have to look for that one.

I think that they are going so far out of control, that a surprising number of the republican base will abandon them in a number of election contests in November.


(34,137 posts)
10. I went looking, but found, instead...
Fri Aug 19, 2022, 02:48 AM
Aug 2022
“One thing about a pig, he thinks he's warm if his nose is warm. I saw a bunch of pigs one time that had frozen together in a rosette, each one's nose tucked under the rump of the one in front. We have a lot of pigs in politics.”
-- Eugene McCarthy

Don't know if that's an actual quote, but it made me grin.


(270,709 posts)
5. Ari is talking about Slobby's problems
Thu Aug 18, 2022, 06:27 PM
Aug 2022

right now and how in Georgia he has hired Gucci Main's high profile lawyer. Ari says Slobby knows that Georgia is the big one and that he has hired a RICO lawyer

I can't wait for the handcuffs. Let's go Prosecutor.

H2O Man

(73,997 posts)
8. The good news
Thu Aug 18, 2022, 11:41 PM
Aug 2022

keeps coming! It's about time. I think the elections in 2018 and 2020 were outstanding, and am confident that we will build on them come November.

I've compared this to the old trick of hanging a dead chicken around a dog's neck to stop them from killing more birds. We have a dead chicken to hang around the republicans' necks in the elections.

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