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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,192 posts)
Wed Aug 10, 2022, 12:45 PM Aug 2022

China's Xi Jinping, "If I can't have my way no one can!!!!"

Amid tensions across the Taiwan strait, Xi Jinping's government on Wednesday published a white paper titled "The Taiwan Question and China's Reunification in the New Era," claiming that the island nation has "belonged to China since ancient times."

The Taiwan Affairs Office of the State Council and the State Council Information Office of the People's Republic of China in the paper said "all will suffer" if there is no unification, according to the official state press agency Xinhua.

The paper invoked the words of Dr. Sun Yat-sen, the first provisional president of the Republic of China and the first leader of the Kuomintang: "Unification is the hope of all Chinese nationals. If China can be unified, all Chinese will enjoy a happy life; if it cannot, all will suffer."

The white paper reiterated the Chinese government's narrative on the island nation and called Taiwan an integral part of China.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/xi-jinping-s-government-publishes-white-paper-on-taiwan-issue-if-china-can-t-be-unified-all-will-suffer/ar-AA10vw16

Oh please. Taiwan wasn't part of China till 1683 and was only nominally controlled by them.

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China's Xi Jinping, "If I can't have my way no one can!!!!" (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Aug 2022 OP
He sure is losing it. 2naSalit Aug 2022 #1
Xi humbled by octogenarian woman. comradebillyboy Aug 2022 #2
Xi could care less about land and people acquisition. He is being strategic. Irish_Dem Aug 2022 #3
Yep, that makes sense PatSeg Aug 2022 #4
It makes perfect sense from a geopolitical and superpower standpoint. Irish_Dem Aug 2022 #5
History keeps repeating itself PatSeg Aug 2022 #6
Yes Putin is a loose cannon. He is like a serial killer who will keep killing until he is stopped Irish_Dem Aug 2022 #7
And there is something wrong with humans PatSeg Aug 2022 #8
Yes, there is a disturbing trend now for ruthless sociopaths to be given control of the world. Irish_Dem Aug 2022 #9
Yes, people often mistake ruthlessness and cruelty for strength PatSeg Aug 2022 #11
Yes very much so. Ruthless sociopaths are admired as "strong leaders." Irish_Dem Aug 2022 #12
Exactly - "Nice guys finish last" PatSeg Aug 2022 #15
Yes they appeal to the dark human underbelly. Irish_Dem Aug 2022 #16
He lets them display their hatred openly, shamelessly PatSeg Aug 2022 #17
Yes it is OK to hate others, mock, humiliate, torture, kill anyone not white, male or christian. Irish_Dem Aug 2022 #18
I didn't either PatSeg Aug 2022 #19
It started with Newt Gingrich going after the Clintons so rabidly. Irish_Dem Aug 2022 #20
Yes, I think we've had this conversation before PatSeg Aug 2022 #21
Yes, exactly. We keep circling back to the same topic. For good reason. Irish_Dem Aug 2022 #22
A lot of it boils down to be simple human petty emotions PatSeg Aug 2022 #23
Yes today politics is more a study in abnormal psychology than political science. Irish_Dem Aug 2022 #24
"A study in abnormal psychology" PatSeg Aug 2022 #25
And now Dems are in the cross hairs. Irish_Dem Aug 2022 #26
1683? former9thward Aug 2022 #10
Now, now... Xolodno Aug 2022 #14
"my way" - Xi or Puteen or Drumpf - sounds interchangeable UTUSN Aug 2022 #13
Sometimes you can beat evil people at their own game by giving them exactly what they ask for. Samrob Aug 2022 #27

Irish_Dem

(47,390 posts)
3. Xi could care less about land and people acquisition. He is being strategic.
Wed Aug 10, 2022, 01:53 PM
Aug 2022

China is a huge country with 3.7 million square miles of land.
And 1.4 billion people.

China has only recently begun to feed the people it has.
Doesn't need more mouths to feed.

Xi wants to be a superpower and he must demonstrate total regional control.
And he does not want a US ally so close to his shores.

So he must get Taiwan no matter what it costs.

He and Putin are looking more and more determined to go with their plans of becoming global superpowers and shifting world power to China and Russia.

While Xi is doing the typical Chinese posturing, he is beginning to sound a tad unhinged.
Some rumors have him becoming more isolated and paranoid, like Putin.

PatSeg

(47,586 posts)
4. Yep, that makes sense
Wed Aug 10, 2022, 01:57 PM
Aug 2022

Otherwise, I really can't understand why China is making such a big deal about Taiwan. Autocratic leaders have a tendency to pull crap like this. They're never satisfied. Definitely reminds me of Putin.

Irish_Dem

(47,390 posts)
5. It makes perfect sense from a geopolitical and superpower standpoint.
Wed Aug 10, 2022, 02:07 PM
Aug 2022

Xi and Putin plan to be the 21st century superpowers. Shift world power to China and Russia.

But they must first demonstrate total regional control.
Xi in the East, Putin in the West.

They must make a very bold show of their power, and make sure Europe and the US have no allies or military bases near them.

To be fair, JFK did the same thing when he made Russia pull its missiles out of Cuba.
And Bush and Cheney brutally invaded Iraq in attempts to get regional control of the Mideast.

The timing is perfect for Putin and Xi to make their moves. Their goals of greatly weakening the US and Europe have been wildly successful. Of course they didn't plan on Biden being such a B*ll Buster in terms of fighting Putin. But Xi and Putin still press forward, not matter the cost.

PatSeg

(47,586 posts)
6. History keeps repeating itself
Wed Aug 10, 2022, 02:24 PM
Aug 2022

and nobody ever learns.

I understand JFK wanting Soviet missiles out of Cuba, but I'll never condone the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan. Though the U.S. motives are often different than someone like Putin, it still becomes a global pissing match. A strategic show of strength is sometimes necessary to maintain a certain balance between democracies and autocracies, but too many leaders do it to inflate their insecure egos. For someone like Putin, there will never be enough and there is nothing he won't do to acquire more power. Of course, that makes him very dangerous.

Irish_Dem

(47,390 posts)
7. Yes Putin is a loose cannon. He is like a serial killer who will keep killing until he is stopped
Wed Aug 10, 2022, 02:56 PM
Aug 2022

He cannot help himself. He has a long history of brutal murders, torture, etc.
He loves terrifying people into compliance, showing his power and control over others.
It is truly the epitome of the serial killer.

I think it is one thing to do the necessary show of power to demonstrate superiority.
Another thing to love brutality and atrocities for their own sake.
Like Hitler, Stalin, and now Putin.

Also a show of force to give people freedom and democracy is different from leaders who are just doing it all for themselves, their personal need for power and wealth.

But Xi does believe that his form of government is better than democracy.
So at least he is fighting for that. But he is also a ruthless murderer as well.

Yes nothing is enough for these types of sociopathic narcissists.

There is a hole in their souls and no amount of money or power will ever be enough.

PatSeg

(47,586 posts)
8. And there is something wrong with humans
Wed Aug 10, 2022, 03:36 PM
Aug 2022

that we keep putting such psychologically disturbed people in positions of power. It happens so often that we have to address why people are so drawn to such blatantly unstable and dangerous characters. The world gets rid of one and he (almost always men) is often replaced with another. The outcomes are always disastrous and very predictable.

Yes, that whole bringing freedom and democracy to people by force was a special kind of hubris. GW thought he would be remembered in the history books for bringing democracy to the Middle East, but it's more likely he'll be seen as an imperialistic war criminal and incompetent leader.

When it comes to men in higher office, one of my primary considerations is no freaking daddy issues! That really screws up some men in profound ways and if they are in positions of power, they often do things for the wrong reasons.

Irish_Dem

(47,390 posts)
9. Yes, there is a disturbing trend now for ruthless sociopaths to be given control of the world.
Wed Aug 10, 2022, 03:56 PM
Aug 2022

Historically this has been most often the case, but we like to think the human race has evolved into a world with freedom, equality, human rights and rule of law.

We can see how very fragile democracy and human rights are. Poof they are gone over night.

Yes GW was a hopeless drunk, I never saw him sober in his TV appearances. Cheney knew that and took the power. Cheney is another ruthless sociopath who loved money, power and inflicting pain.
He was involved in the CIA torture camps. And loved every minute of it.

Yes I think there are tons of daddy issues here. I have been watching crime documentaries about wanted criminals, serial killers, etc. Much of it seems to go back to something going wrong with mom or dad early on.

Of course some sociopaths are just wired in that way at birth.

Yes why are humans so attracted to sociopaths as leaders? Humans are gullible when it comes to propaganda, they want to believe the lies they are told. Look at Germans before WWII.
Same thing happening here now. Some like the lies, racism, etc.

Sociopaths say what people want to hear, make all kinds of promises and appeal to the dark under belly of human nature, fear and hatred.

PatSeg

(47,586 posts)
11. Yes, people often mistake ruthlessness and cruelty for strength
Wed Aug 10, 2022, 05:22 PM
Aug 2022

I suppose a lot of people who support tyrants have "daddy issues" as well. You know, some of our most effective leaders had strong mothers figures.

Irish_Dem

(47,390 posts)
12. Yes very much so. Ruthless sociopaths are admired as "strong leaders."
Wed Aug 10, 2022, 06:51 PM
Aug 2022

People admire someone who just takes what they want and gets away with it.

That is why Trump disdains normal people who follow the rules and are not rich.
We are suckers and losers in his way of thinking.

PatSeg

(47,586 posts)
15. Exactly - "Nice guys finish last"
Thu Aug 11, 2022, 09:14 AM
Aug 2022

Putin or Trump admirers would do the same things if given the opportunity. Such leaders serve as a mirror for the dark side of humanity. When they proclaim that "He is a strong leader" or "He tells it like it is", what they really mean is "He is who I would be if given the chance".

Irish_Dem

(47,390 posts)
16. Yes they appeal to the dark human underbelly.
Thu Aug 11, 2022, 09:24 AM
Aug 2022

Of hatred and fear.

"He tells it like it is" is code for he talks about his hatred of others, POC, women, LGBT, etc.
And they wish they could do that in public as well. Yep.

Irish_Dem

(47,390 posts)
18. Yes it is OK to hate others, mock, humiliate, torture, kill anyone not white, male or christian.
Thu Aug 11, 2022, 02:05 PM
Aug 2022

And they can say it openly.

Sad and disgusting situation.

I never thought I would see the human race de-evolve so rapidly.

PatSeg

(47,586 posts)
19. I didn't either
Thu Aug 11, 2022, 02:31 PM
Aug 2022

Though I suppose it was moving in this direction for a long time and it only took one leader to set it all in motion. If it hadn't been Trump, eventually it would have been someone else.

Irish_Dem

(47,390 posts)
20. It started with Newt Gingrich going after the Clintons so rabidly.
Thu Aug 11, 2022, 04:04 PM
Aug 2022

And been downhill since then.

Yep, then all it took was a ruthless buffoon leader to slam it all home.

Yes he is the symptom, would have been someone else if not him.

PatSeg

(47,586 posts)
21. Yes, I think we've had this conversation before
Thu Aug 11, 2022, 10:20 PM
Aug 2022

I'm getting a strong feeling of deja vu. Newt certainly does not get nearly enough credit for screwing up America. Some people are a force of destruction and we have had far too many in government in recent years. They like tearing down everything other people have built.

Irish_Dem

(47,390 posts)
22. Yes, exactly. We keep circling back to the same topic. For good reason.
Fri Aug 12, 2022, 08:23 AM
Aug 2022

Yes Newt Gingrich kept hounding Bill Clinton, even thought it was damaging the country.
Tearing it apart, creating a nasty, ugly, hateful atmosphere. People's retirement accounts took a dive every time he unleashed a new volley of crap.

But the GOP didn't care that Americans were being hurt and wanted the matter to be dropped.
That is when it becomes glaringly obvious that the GOP couldn't care less about the American people.
They would do anything to get what they wanted.

I was shocked when on a visit to Idaho to visit family back then, there were public displays of violence towards Bill Clinton. I hoped it was an outlier, but instead it is now the norm. Violence against Dems and other Americans.

Yes they have to burn it all down to get what they want. Total permanent power and access to all US financial assets. The same thing Putin has in Russia.

They must create chaos and division. Destroy American institutions so they can install their white christian fascist government.

We keep talking about it because it is the most astounding turn of events in our lifetimes.

PatSeg

(47,586 posts)
23. A lot of it boils down to be simple human petty emotions
Fri Aug 12, 2022, 09:50 AM
Aug 2022

People like Newt Gingrich saw Bill Clinton as the "cool kid" and he knew people would never like him the way they liked Bill, so he did everything he could to undermine him. Most republicans have no real talent or charisma, so they try to destroy those who do and everything they build.

Republican politicians hated Barack Obama. He was young, smart, good-looking, and could randomly shoot 3-pointer baskets just for the hell of it. He even had a sense of humor and could sing. What's not to hate? When you can't compete, you must destroy. (Of course, no one hated Obama as much as Donald Trump.)

Steve Bannon has to tear everything down because he is a huge loser and if he can't succeed in society, then everyone must lose.

You see it everywhere you look in politics. Most republicans are emotional midgets in serious need of intensive therapy, but because they can't work out their own issues, the rest of us must suffer. Such people should not be in government, but sadly, they are the type of people likely to be drawn to politics.

Irish_Dem

(47,390 posts)
24. Yes today politics is more a study in abnormal psychology than political science.
Fri Aug 12, 2022, 12:48 PM
Aug 2022

I have degrees in both political science and psychology. And have been a political junkie since childhood.

But these past years I mostly talk about the psychopathology of politicians and the pure insanity of our political situation.

Yes the GOP is comprised of ruthless sociopaths, toxic narcissists, very immature and childlike people.
Very damaged.

They will stop at nothing for power, wealth and attention. And yes these are people who are deeply threatened by others.

PatSeg

(47,586 posts)
25. "A study in abnormal psychology"
Fri Aug 12, 2022, 03:12 PM
Aug 2022

That is so true. Meanwhile, for any talentless opportunist, it looks like an easy gig. I often picture some of the worst ones trying to figure out what to do with their life and while watching cable news, having an epiphany, "Shit, I can do that!"

There really are few requirements other than a talent for bullshitting. The pay is good and the benefits are great. If they are in Congress, they don't even have a boss to answer to and if it doesn't work out, lots of doors open up after they leave office.

Politics truly does attract the worst of the worst, people who take all their hang-ups, neuroses, and scams with them. Fortunately, it also draws people who really do want to serve and make a difference. I can imagine the frustration when they are faced with people like Marjorie Taylor Greene, Lauren Boebert, Matt Gaetz, Madison Cawthorn, or Jim Jordan. All that tongue-biting must be really painful.

Irish_Dem

(47,390 posts)
26. And now Dems are in the cross hairs.
Fri Aug 12, 2022, 03:26 PM
Aug 2022

Many good people are probably avoiding public service.

Oh yes I think for narcissists, sociopaths, opportunists, politics is now a great career choice.

Their ruthless streak, and their lying, cheating, theft, rule breaking skills are welcome in GOP politics.
And they are handsomely rewarded with dark money, perks, power, pension, etc.

former9thward

(32,077 posts)
10. 1683?
Wed Aug 10, 2022, 04:44 PM
Aug 2022

That is a lot longer than the United States or most European countries have been in existence. President Carter acknowledged the One China policy in 1979 and no one since has seriously contested it.

Samrob

(4,298 posts)
27. Sometimes you can beat evil people at their own game by giving them exactly what they ask for.
Fri Aug 12, 2022, 03:29 PM
Aug 2022

Then they wake up one morning and find out that you are now in charge. Unify and then watch how the Tai's take over the government

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