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notinkansas

(1,101 posts)
Tue Aug 9, 2022, 11:35 AM Aug 2022

Why all the outrage on the right about the search warrant?

What they seem to be saying is that a former president has every right to steal national security documents and hide them at his home. For the purpose of? Selling them to? Who knows?

Seriously?

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Why all the outrage on the right about the search warrant? (Original Post) notinkansas Aug 2022 OP
the purpose was to prevent them from falling into the hands of LEO lapfog_1 Aug 2022 #1
LEO? What is that? notinkansas Aug 2022 #8
Law Enforcement Officers Ohiya Aug 2022 #9
They do it every time the law comes down on a white conservative. Eugene Aug 2022 #2
+1 Mad_Machine76 Aug 2022 #27
+2 JustAnotherGen Aug 2022 #30
It sounds like they don't believe the evidence will be exonerating him Walleye Aug 2022 #3
Because their Great Orange God must never be subjected to any form Ocelot II Aug 2022 #4
Because he WHINED about it. He called it a RAID. That only happens to BLACK people. TigressDem Aug 2022 #5
If there is any justice in the cosmos librechik Aug 2022 #6
Diversion. How DARE they enter Dear Leaders home!! underpants Aug 2022 #7
ALSO I suspect the DIRT he had on all his "supporters" was hidden somewhere there. TigressDem Aug 2022 #10
because they're shitting their pants and don't know what to do eShirl Aug 2022 #11
They literally believe that Trump should be able to do whatever he wants without penalty. viva la Aug 2022 #12
Let's wait ForgedCrank Aug 2022 #13
So PoS FL gov is hoping they find something grumpyduck Aug 2022 #16
In my ForgedCrank Aug 2022 #17
Of course, and the PoSs who always whine about grumpyduck Aug 2022 #20
Well inthewind21 Aug 2022 #23
For some ForgedCrank Aug 2022 #26
They DOJ had to have had real evidence that they would find what they wanted panader0 Aug 2022 #34
I do ForgedCrank Aug 2022 #41
Actually, Trump is quite stupid. Caliman73 Aug 2022 #36
It most certainly is ForgedCrank Aug 2022 #40
That is the fault of The Press. Caliman73 Aug 2022 #43
The Judge, Too? ProfessorGAC Aug 2022 #28
You consider ForgedCrank Aug 2022 #29
Defensive? ProfessorGAC Aug 2022 #32
I didn't ForgedCrank Aug 2022 #33
Should the Justice Department let his crimes go because they're afraid of it being panader0 Aug 2022 #35
They're being stoked by the RW media. grumpyduck Aug 2022 #14
The right wing media... Caliman73 Aug 2022 #37
I agree, but my comment grumpyduck Aug 2022 #42
Because the insurrection is still in the works C_U_L8R Aug 2022 #15
They see everything through a partisan lens. unblock Aug 2022 #18
They need a red herring RANDYWILDMAN Aug 2022 #19
Apparently inthewind21 Aug 2022 #21
It is a tragic day when being white and rich doesn't afford you the privilege to avoid a legal... Thomas Hurt Aug 2022 #22
Well inthewind21 Aug 2022 #25
Makes you wonder if any of them understand that BUT HER EMAILS is WAAAAY less onerous than this Mr. Ected Aug 2022 #24
Law enforcement can storm into the home of blacks and kill sleeping women and children and the RW Samrob Aug 2022 #31
CNN panelist nailed it Deminpenn Aug 2022 #38
Fear. Fear of accountability. eom Maeve Aug 2022 #39
BECAUSE HE'S GUILTY AND THEY KNOW IT! ZonkerHarris Aug 2022 #44
They are just following orders... kentuck Aug 2022 #45

lapfog_1

(29,458 posts)
1. the purpose was to prevent them from falling into the hands of LEO
Tue Aug 9, 2022, 11:37 AM
Aug 2022

but his ego wouldn't let him destroy them

Walleye

(32,439 posts)
3. It sounds like they don't believe the evidence will be exonerating him
Tue Aug 9, 2022, 11:39 AM
Aug 2022

Seems like it’s his supporters in and out of Congress that have already convicted him

TigressDem

(5,125 posts)
5. Because he WHINED about it. He called it a RAID. That only happens to BLACK people.
Tue Aug 9, 2022, 11:40 AM
Aug 2022

The fact that they got a legal warrant, called Secret Service to clear passage, knocked, presented said warrant, entered and performed the search specified and opened the safe against tRump's compliance.... they had to break into it.

IF he'd been compliant, he would have opened the safe to allow them access.


I SAY, "Our new talking point is... IT WASN'T A RAID. RAID IS WHEN POLICE GO IN SHOOTING AND ASK QUESTIONS LATER."

Racist Privileged Assholes, RPAs for short, don't get to USE that word to describe a civil process involving a warrant and the FBI.

The SWAT team wasn't ever there.

PU-LEESE.

librechik

(30,722 posts)
6. If there is any justice in the cosmos
Tue Aug 9, 2022, 11:41 AM
Aug 2022

We will find the original contract between Putin, Trump, and Satan.

Or am I repeating myself?

underpants

(184,045 posts)
7. Diversion. How DARE they enter Dear Leaders home!!
Tue Aug 9, 2022, 11:41 AM
Aug 2022

Hell, he won’t even let US in there.

Something like that.

TigressDem

(5,125 posts)
10. ALSO I suspect the DIRT he had on all his "supporters" was hidden somewhere there.
Tue Aug 9, 2022, 11:44 AM
Aug 2022

So many were so brown nosed for so long..... he had to have something serious on them or nukes pointed at their families.

What we KNOW is bad enough, but it is probably only the tip of the iceberg.

MAYBE he wears all that orange sunscreen because he's really a vampire.... I kid, I kid.


BUT there is a stink to his intolerant and illegal behavior and insistence that he has every right to be the dictator in chief, that there has to be some evidence of how deep and extensive his insanity and illegal behavior go that will prove to even the greatest skeptic how guilty he is.

viva la

(3,532 posts)
12. They literally believe that Trump should be able to do whatever he wants without penalty.
Tue Aug 9, 2022, 11:47 AM
Aug 2022

In their mind, anything Trump wants to do, he gets to do, and anyone who tries to stop him is the criminal. The only real law for them is "What Trump Wants."

There's really no other answer. They might say the FBI is corrupt or this law doesn't apply to this situation, or "he's president, he can declassify". They might have some other excuse. But at base they really believe that the thing they thought was terrible a minute ago is allowable now as long as Trump does it. (And it's still only okay for Trump to do.)

I'm trying to think of how to get my Trumper relative to see that-- that the only standard they have left is "What Trump Wants", and that's wrong, and can't be accepted by the rest of us.

Last time I tried, "In order to believe Trump, you have to believe that everyone else is lying. Everyone-- judges, staff, law enforcement, election officials, Trump's own aides, Trump's vice president, your own ears. And you have to know that one person can't be telling the truth and everyone else lying."

And he said, "But everyone is lying. Trump is right."

All I could say is, "You simply cannot live like that."
But I guess they can.

This is how Alex Jones can spew the most insane vicious lies and a million listeners are furious when he's punished for it. It's not even that they think Sandy Hook was a hoax anymore. Just that no one has any right to criticize Alex Jones or Trump.

ForgedCrank

(1,952 posts)
13. Let's wait
Tue Aug 9, 2022, 11:50 AM
Aug 2022

and see if they actually collected any usable evidence from this.
If they don't, this is could end very badly for us. It doesn't matter how right it may have been, the optics are of the worst kind if this ends up to be fruitless, and groundless claims will be the tune of the day.
It doesn't matter that this had nothing to do with the Democratic party, that is still the painting everyone else will see.
I'm starting to wonder if the FBI isn't working against us again knowing full well how this would look, and right before mid-term elections.

grumpyduck

(6,362 posts)
16. So PoS FL gov is hoping they find something
Tue Aug 9, 2022, 11:56 AM
Aug 2022

to take tfg out of the running,

and meanwhile tfg's cronies set this up to make sure they don't find anything, and "exonerate" tfg.

Sounds like the Spy vs Spy stories in Mad Magazine.

ForgedCrank

(1,952 posts)
17. In my
Tue Aug 9, 2022, 12:02 PM
Aug 2022

view, the irritating point is that this is a criminal investigation, but we have politicians attaching to it an using it as leverage or campaign material.
Be that from any angle, it taints the entire process, and there's nothing we can do to stop them from behaving this way.
That is why this should never be done (in my personal opinion) unless there is a guarantee of proven criminality (under law, not perception).
It's a very dangerous operation at this level, and we are already seeing why that is true this morning.
I really hope they found something when they were in there.

grumpyduck

(6,362 posts)
20. Of course, and the PoSs who always whine about
Tue Aug 9, 2022, 12:13 PM
Aug 2022

the Democrats politicizing something are of course the ones who do it all the time.

Fucking assholes.

My guess is, it's taken this long to get that search warrant because they wanted to make sure they would find whatever they were looking for. They had to know how many people would go down, including the FBI and the judge, if it turned into nothing.

 

inthewind21

(4,616 posts)
23. Well
Tue Aug 9, 2022, 12:20 PM
Aug 2022

since we've all known for a year and a half he took classified documents from the WH to Maralago, which Trump never disputed and even acknowledged, then I think the FEDS are pretty safe with the "optics" But hey, let's let him run amok because oh no, the optics are bad. SMH

ForgedCrank

(1,952 posts)
26. For some
Tue Aug 9, 2022, 12:39 PM
Aug 2022

reason I'm always the bad guy when I point out the inconvenient parts of these things. I don't think I'll ever understand that.
I didn't say anything about letting him "run amok" either.

One of the truths here is that this is a very sensitive operation, and the risks are so great in executing it, one should be absolutely sure before doing it. Maybe they are sure, we have no idea as of yet.

I know we all have fun on DU calling Trump stupid, idiot, etc, but in reality, he has been pretty slick about riding the lines of legality and barely staying in the shadows to avoid legal justice. To date, we have still been unable to charge him with an actual crime because he and his teams are generally very good at covering their tracks. Visually, no, but legally, yes. We can all see what he has been doing, but at least so far, we haven't been able to prosecute him using real evidence. I know that sucks, but that is where we are.
And then there was my main point, and that is that if they served a search warrant on the residence of a former President (like it or not), the current political opposition, and they find nothing, this might very well be a disaster for us, and that has me very concerned. It has me concerned mostly because of Trump's track record of concealing evidence and getting away with everything.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
34. They DOJ had to have had real evidence that they would find what they wanted
Tue Aug 9, 2022, 01:13 PM
Aug 2022

in order to grant the search warrant. I heard this time and again from the legal eagles on TV.

ForgedCrank

(1,952 posts)
41. I do
Tue Aug 9, 2022, 01:51 PM
Aug 2022

hope so much that you are right.
I've become quite pessimistic through this entire Trump ordeal though. It has been one legal disappointment after another.
I stay sane by not getting my hopes up.

Caliman73

(11,767 posts)
36. Actually, Trump is quite stupid.
Tue Aug 9, 2022, 01:36 PM
Aug 2022

The Office of the Presidency is extremely powerful and though it should not be, it is almost "above the law". There is some validity to giving a President leeway in matters because we certainly do not want a situation where political intrigue interferes with the execution of executive duties. Republicans tried to tie Bill Clinton up with Whitewater, Travelgate, then the Lewinski drama. That was meaningless and political hackery.

I will say, that Trump has a great deal of practice in being a shady con man and crook, so there is definitely risk of coming up empty regarding the search warrant.

He is not however, particularly gifted. He just benefits from being rich and from having held a powerful political position. If this were the 1960's, 70's or 80's, before the advent of Right Wing Media, Trump would be in jail, or have been forced to resign in disgrace like Nixon. In fact, it was Nixon's fall that really prompted people like Roger Ailes and Pat Buchanan to really invest in creating a media ecosystem for Conservative bullshit that would make it near impossible for people to he held to objective legal standards.

Right wingers investigating Benghazi for over 2 years and grilling Hillary Clinton for over 11 hours to find NOTHING, was seen as a legitimate exercise, while investigating Trump for actually trying to foment an insurrection and block the peaceful transfer of power, is being portrayed as a blatant political exercise.

It is madness.

ForgedCrank

(1,952 posts)
40. It most certainly is
Tue Aug 9, 2022, 01:49 PM
Aug 2022

madness.
But, Trump is either somewhat crafty in his criminal behaviors, or he is well in tune with people who are.
There is no way someone could get away with all the stuff he has without one or the other.
It's almost as if his every move has been crafted to avoid leaving behind any real evidence.
Even his lies while in office. They almost always rode the line between ludicrous and deniable, and it was all in the way he worded the crazy stuff he would say. The man would stand behind a podium and say "I'm not sure, but they are saying bla bla". He knew his followers would take him for his word, and he knew it was BS, but you see the dodge in there. He can say "I never said it was true".
That's how that ass operated for 4 years, and still is.
That is also why it has been so difficult to prosecute him.
That's my opinion anyway.

Caliman73

(11,767 posts)
43. That is the fault of The Press.
Tue Aug 9, 2022, 02:07 PM
Aug 2022

"I never said it was true"

"You never explicitly said it was true, but you are promoting it irresponsibly by repeating it without doing your own fact checking. You are the president. You are held to a higher standard because people believe your words. What are you going to do in the future to make sure you aren't propagating lies?"

Your opinion is valid. The presentation of opinions is also important.

I say that America has always had a very hard time with the idea of punishing the wealthy and powerful. We just don't seem to like to do it, even if there is a populist mentality of, "they are all crooks". Problem is when they are "our crooks" we don't want to hold them accountable. Democrats seem to have an easier time holding our own accountable. Conservatives/Republicans, will not do it, unless the "brand" is threatened. They are now so deep in with Trump that they can't.

ProfessorGAC

(66,783 posts)
28. The Judge, Too?
Tue Aug 9, 2022, 12:43 PM
Aug 2022

Judges don't just rubber stamp warrant applications.
Your conjecture is treading into CT territory.

ForgedCrank

(1,952 posts)
29. You consider
Tue Aug 9, 2022, 12:52 PM
Aug 2022

it a conspiracy theory when someone points out that this is politically dangerous?
I disagree, and the evidence is on the front page of every right-wing news website as we speak. It doesn't have to be true, I would think most of us know how this works by now.
And where did I accuse a judge of "rubber stamping" a warrant, or even speculate regarding such an absurd thing? Please point to that statement.

ProfessorGAC

(66,783 posts)
32. Defensive?
Tue Aug 9, 2022, 01:06 PM
Aug 2022

You suggested this was an FBI ruse, that COULD be bad.
But, they had a warrant issued by the court.
Your post conveniently (and lazily) left that out completely. So, of course I can't point to a statement you left out, or never even considered.
Nice try.

ForgedCrank

(1,952 posts)
33. I didn't
Tue Aug 9, 2022, 01:11 PM
Aug 2022

at any point call this a "ruse".
I simply pointed out that this bullshit FBI stuff has cost us dearly in the past, and I am specifically pointing to the 2016 election. Deny it if you wish. You can accuse me of whatever those voices are telling you, I don't care really.
If you are expecting every detail of every topic covered in every comment, you will continue to be disappointed.
And where the hell did I suggest there was no warrant? The FBI can't enter someones home without one, did I need to remind you of that in my comment, or did you already know this like everyone else?

geez

panader0

(25,816 posts)
35. Should the Justice Department let his crimes go because they're afraid of it being
Tue Aug 9, 2022, 01:20 PM
Aug 2022

"politically dangerous"? Should Pelosi not have gone to Taiwan because she was afraid to make
China mad? We, the Democrats, and more widely, Americans in general, need to be brave, not afraid.

grumpyduck

(6,362 posts)
14. They're being stoked by the RW media.
Tue Aug 9, 2022, 11:51 AM
Aug 2022

Honestly, sometimes I think the RW media is in cahoots with companies that make heartburn and blood pressure drugs.

How's that for a tin hat conspiracy?

Caliman73

(11,767 posts)
37. The right wing media...
Tue Aug 9, 2022, 01:39 PM
Aug 2022

Is in the sole business of pushing a conservative and far right agenda, period. Their goals are to promote a Conservative order in the long term, and to distract people in the short term so that the wealthiest people can continue to use their influence to accumulate more money and power.

The heartburn and blood pressure stuff are just side effects for those of us who see through their bullshit.

grumpyduck

(6,362 posts)
42. I agree, but my comment
Tue Aug 9, 2022, 02:00 PM
Aug 2022

about meds was in relation to the RW nuts who watch Fox/etc. for the sole purpose of getting more pissed off all the time.

C_U_L8R

(45,157 posts)
15. Because the insurrection is still in the works
Tue Aug 9, 2022, 11:55 AM
Aug 2022

They're looking for any excuse to start their stupid civil war.
More of these idiots will end up in prison very soon.

There is no requirement to treat traitors kindly.

unblock

(53,229 posts)
18. They see everything through a partisan lens.
Tue Aug 9, 2022, 12:05 PM
Aug 2022

They think their side is perfect and Donnie is a saint, certainly innocent of any possible crime. They think anyone who does anything against them or donnie in particular must be motivated by something evil, usually partisan politics.

They can't for one minute entertain the thought that donnie might actually be guilty of something.

RANDYWILDMAN

(2,763 posts)
19. They need a red herring
Tue Aug 9, 2022, 12:07 PM
Aug 2022

They can't focus at all on criminality of TRUMP !!!

So they focus on anything but THAT !!!!

 

inthewind21

(4,616 posts)
21. Apparently
Tue Aug 9, 2022, 12:16 PM
Aug 2022

They are all just now finding out the FBI serves search warrants then proceeds to conduct searches. Who knew!

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
22. It is a tragic day when being white and rich doesn't afford you the privilege to avoid a legal...
Tue Aug 9, 2022, 12:16 PM
Aug 2022

search and seizure of your home. Not to mention the FBI have insulted their Fuhrer. The idiots are incensed. The deep state has blasphemed the god king!

Heil Trumpenfuhrer!

 

inthewind21

(4,616 posts)
25. Well
Tue Aug 9, 2022, 12:22 PM
Aug 2022

It's not like Trump isn't intimately familiar with how FBI search warrants work. His bud Jeffrey Epstein went thought it on quite a grand scale.

Mr. Ected

(9,680 posts)
24. Makes you wonder if any of them understand that BUT HER EMAILS is WAAAAY less onerous than this
Tue Aug 9, 2022, 12:22 PM
Aug 2022

Republicans must have discernment-addled brains as some sort of birth defect.

Samrob

(4,298 posts)
31. Law enforcement can storm into the home of blacks and kill sleeping women and children and the RW
Tue Aug 9, 2022, 12:56 PM
Aug 2022

is ok with that. But not ok with the FBI using a legal warrant to go into Trump's "castle" to retrieve classified security documents belonging to the Federal government.

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