Arrest Greg Abbott

[moonshinegnomie]

I’m serious. It’s being reported that some of the migrants he’s bussing were forced. That’s kidnapping at the least. Plus since the are here illegally that aiding a federal crime. Arrest Abbott and seize the buses he’s using.

[moonshinegnomie]

1. NYC could arrest the bus drivers too

[FSogol]

2. Texas state sponsored human trafficking.

[UTUSN]

3. HAH! - unfortunately, FAT CHANCE. And the charges need to be a much longer list.

[moonshinegnomie]

4. Federal charges.

Take it out of Texas’s hand. Let a federal prosecutor in ny file the charges

[UTUSN]

5. Well, as long as we're dreaming, it would be poetic justice your way,

since he oversteps his State authority into Federal jurisdiction, to have it come back the other way. Believe me, I share your outlook about him, and welcome to DU!

The only potential consolation being that someday in the far future, ABBUTT and deSATAN and the entire mob of despicable wingnuts will be relegated to ONE paragraph of cataloguing of Crazies.

[2naSalit]

13. +1

[Stuart G]

6. The federal government could arrest him for this. If forced that that is kidnapping, up to Biden.

One thing is for sure: Abbott doesn't give a damn.

[Polybius]

12. What would the Texas voters think?

Would it help or hurt us?

[Lonestarblue]

7. I despise Greg Abbott, but he's winning points on these actions.

I want to play devil’s advocate here for an issue that has not come up with TV hosts or anyone else discussing these bus dumps. Large cities like DC and New York are having difficulty housing and feeding the migrants bused to them, which now number over 6,000. Now imagine what cities like El Paso and the many other smaller communities along the border are going through with an influx of many, many thousands more migrants flooding into their communities.

Yes, we have laws giving migrants the right to apply for asylum, but the citizens along the border also have rights not to have their communities overwhelmed with the needs of people who mostly have no money, no jobs, and families to feed. Many of these communities already have high poverty rates, and they too rely on the social services that now frequently go to migrants. I believe that is one big reason why Hildago County, traditionally a Democratic county, voted for Trump in 2020. It may well be a large part of why Hispanics in Texas are moving toward the Republican Party (though opposition to abortion also plays a role).

I’m sad to say that I believe the administration could be doing more to address this issue. What Abbott is doing is sending a message to all voters that Democrats are weak on immigration, and that is a vulnerability. He is also making it easy to deport migrants because those who are shipped off to other states may not be able to get back to Texas for their court dates, thus making them eligible for immediate deportation.

I would like to see the administration meet with representatives of cities and towns along the border to learn about the issues in their communities and work together to craft ways to help them cope with so many migrants—and that may mean moving them temporarily to other parts of the country.

[hamsterjill]

25. Grew up in Uvalde County

The border issue at the Del Rio entry is one hot mess. Part of the reason there were so many law enforcement officers who responded to the Uvalde school shooting (don’t get me started on them!! But there were over 400 responding) is because they have so many car chases and bailouts near houses. Not all of the immigrants are peaceful, and many are taken advantage of by coyotes who traffic them.

I share your opinion that the administration should be doing more. And to be clear, Abbott is an asshole who is grandstanding to get attention and press. He’s not interested in solving the problem. He’s interested in using the problem to get re-elected.

[TexasBushwhacker]

27. Exactly

Whether at the state or federal level, until they start coming down, HARD, on employers who are hiring undocumented workers, they will continue to come. But they won't do that because it's looked upon as "anti-business", not to mention over half of our agricultural workers are undocumented. If you EAT, and you enjoy tomatoes for under $1 a pound, you support undocumented workers.

[maxsolomon]

8. Do the migrants start in State or Federal custody?

I don't understand the sequence - it's obviously the State of TX bussing them.

You'd think those claiming Asylum would be processed by BCS.

[NullTuples]

14. Which means he kidnapped them from the protective custody of the Federal government

[moniss]

15. Immigration enforcement

is a federal matter. The states can ask of your status and if they feel you are/might be here illegally they can turn you over to the Feds. The idea that Texas is turning them over by busing them to DC for instance is not something that would fly when there are Feds and facilities right in Texas. The bus company may find they have some issues as well. Providing interstate passenger transportation services is regulated by the Feds and the idea that the bus company is knowingly transporting people of unknown identity/from unknown circumstances is very dicey when we consider regulations designed to prevent/cut down on human trafficking. I would check to see whether the trafficking regulations/statutes spell out that it must be for sex etc. or whether the legal definition is more broad. I believe that they are being transported for an impermissible purpose (reducing their presence in Texas by trafficking) by unauthorized officials. The bus company/drivers just might want to think about that because Texas cannot absolve them from Federal charges. Trafficking happens for more than sex. Ag workers are trafficked in the US as well. So you cannot just grab people and ship them on a bus especially if they do not wish to go.

[Pepsidog]

9. Interesting idea. I would like to hear what some of our DU legal people think.

[LeftInTX]

24. The feds normally sue the State...they don't arrest the governor

So, in this case they would sue the State of Texas because this is an Executive Order written by Greg Abbott in his capacity as governor for the State of Texas. Because it's an EO, it's the State of Texas which is "committing kidnapping"...ahem...it's actually violating immigration law. The feds can sue and that is almost always what they do. If Abbott refuses to comply after being sued, I guess they could call in federal troops to protect the migrants. I never hear these cases going beyond calling in federal troops. (Think Little Rock and Eisenhower https://www.eisenhowerlibrary.gov/research/online-documents/civil-rights-little-rock-school-integration-crisis#:~:text=When%20Governor%20Faubus%20ordered%20the,the%20Supreme%20Court%20were%20upheld.)

If federal troops don't succeed, I don't know what the next step is.

[Pepsidog]

26. Makes sense. Thanks for the info and link.

[Initech]

10. Arrest Fox News! Go to the source!

[LymphocyteLover]

11. Please! He's so incredibly loathsome and cruel.

[TeamProg]

16. K&R Thanks for posting. n/t

[Danmel]

17. It's such a cynical ploy. These are people not props

It is just a sign of how far this country has fallen. Sickening.

[progressoid]

19. How would that work since ICE also does "relocating".

[moonshinegnomie]

20. ice has that authority,texas doesnt

[progressoid]

21. How does that make it better?

Making a legal case out of it would actually make it worse by shining a spotlight on our fucked up system. A system that Democrats are currently in control of.

[Blue Owl]

22. To the Klink with the Kidnapper

[LeftInTX]

23. The feds can sue the State of Texas

They often do.
They won't charge Abbott with kidnapping because this being done via Executive Order by the State of Texas, not Greg Abbott.

Lots of times states violate immigration law. The fed government sues the state, they don't arrest the governor. Governors and presidents write illegal executive orders from time to time. I have never heard of anyone being arrested because of an Executive Order.

[moonshinegnomie]

28. just because it hasnt been done doesnt mean it cant

[LeftInTX]

29. Give Garland a call! The ACLU has filed a case

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He's been busy!

The feds often sue states.
And the states sue the feds.

In that July complaint, the ACLU asked the Justice Department to open a civil rights investigation into DPS.
https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/aug/8/aclu-tells-feds-not-work-texas-arrest-illegal-immi/

These are from 2021:
https://www.tpr.org/border-immigration/2021-07-28/unconstitutional-and-fascist-texas-governor-greg-abbott-issues-order-restricting-the-transportation-of-migrants

https://www.tpr.org/border-immigration/2021-07-30/abbott-is-running-his-own-immigration-policy-is-it-legal

There was a recent lawsuit. Biden wrote an EO to reverse Trump's immigration policies. Texas sued the feds and a Trump appointed judge blocked Biden's executive order, so "stay in Mexico" remained. The case went to the Supreme Court. Biden won that round on June 30th. But yesterday, one month later, the judge lifted the injunction, so for now "stay in Mexico" is over. However, Texas will appeal, so this is not the end.

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05/20/title-42-border-judge-ruling-migrants/

“With the pandemic, the Trump administration enacted Title 42 with the excuse that the border needed to be closed for public health reasons. So we need to understand the interaction between these two policies because even if there is an end to MPP, Title 42 continues to be operating,” Olea said. “And most of the individuals that are trying to seek asylum are being rejected, expelled and returned to Mexico. So when we look at the numbers, there’s more than two million people impacted by Title 42. And the number of people impacted by MPP, even though large, is less, around 80,000 or 90,000 persons.” https://news.wttw.com/2022/08/07/after-supreme-court-ruling-immigrant-rights-advocates-push-end-remain-mexico-policy

On March 4, U.S. District Judge Mark Pittman in Fort Worth ruled in favor of Texas and ordered the Biden administration to stop exempting unaccompanied children from Title 42 expulsions. That same day, a federal appellate court in Washington, D.C., reaffirmed a lower court’s ruling in a separate case that it’s illegal to expel asylum-seeking migrant families to countries where they could be persecuted or tortured.

After the CDC announced that it was letting Title 42 expire, Arizona and 21 other states filed a federal lawsuit on April 3 in the Western District of Louisiana, asking a judge to stop the government from lifting Title 42. Texas filed a separate lawsuit on April 22 seeking the same thing.

Both lawsuits argue the Biden administration violated administrative procedural laws and that if Title 42 is lifted as planned, it could lead to chaos at the border.

On Wednesday, District Judge Robert R. Summerhays, an appointee of former President Donald Trump, temporarily blocked the Biden administration from winding down the use of Title 42 and indicated that he plans to block efforts to end Title 42 altogether. https://www.texastribune.org/2022/04/29/immigration-title-42-biden/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/08/08/mpp-biden-asylum-mexico/

President Biden quickly ended the program after taking office, but Kacsmaryk last fall sided with several Republican-led state officials who sued the administration to force a restart of MPP. Between December 2021 and early July, about 5,800 asylum seekers were sent back to Mexico to await their U.S. court dates, the latest DHS records show. Most were adults from Nicaragua and Venezuela.

In its ruling, the Supreme Court determined in a 5-4 opinion that Kacsmaryk went too far by requiring Biden to keep in place policies that infringe on his ability to enforce immigration laws and shape foreign policy, given that MPP relied on agreements with Mexico.