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In It to Win It

(8,315 posts)
Mon Aug 8, 2022, 10:34 AM Aug 2022

Maps in Four States Were Ruled Illegal Gerrymanders. They're Being Used Anyway.

NY Times

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WASHINGTON — Since January, judges in Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana and Ohio have found that Republican legislators illegally drew those states’ congressional maps along racial or partisan lines, or that a trial very likely would conclude that they did. In years past, judges who have reached similar findings have ordered new maps, or had an expert draw them, to ensure that coming elections were fair.

But a shift in election law philosophy at the Supreme Court, combined with a new aggressiveness among Republicans who drew the maps, has upended that model for the elections in November. This time, all four states are using the rejected maps, and questions about their legality for future elections will be hashed out in court later.

The immediate upshot, election experts say, is that Republicans almost certainly will gain more seats in midterm elections at a time when Democrats already are struggling to maintain their bare majority.

David Wasserman, who follows congressional redistricting for the Cook Political Report, said that using rejected maps in the four states, which make up nearly 10 percent of the seats in the House, was likely to hand Republicans five to seven House seats that they otherwise would not have won.

Some election law scholars say they are troubled by the consequences in the long run.

“We’re seeing a revolution in courts’ willingness to allow elections to go forward under illegal or unconstitutional rules,” Richard L. Hasen, a professor at the U.C.L.A. School of Law and the director of its Safeguarding Democracy Project, said in an interview. “And that’s creating a situation in which states are getting one free illegal election before they have to change their rules.”



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Maps in Four States Were Ruled Illegal Gerrymanders. They're Being Used Anyway. (Original Post) In It to Win It Aug 2022 OP
I can not comprehend how this is allowed. I just can NOT. riversedge Aug 2022 #1
Incomprehensible AmBlue Aug 2022 #2
So why Rebl2 Aug 2022 #3
IIRC, the Ohio Supreme Court has ruled Deminpenn Aug 2022 #5
Seems Rebl2 Aug 2022 #7
Yes, that is correct. And each tim the republicans just resubmit madinmaryland Aug 2022 #21
Districts drawn illegally? Refuse to seat HariSeldon Aug 2022 #4
I'm not buying the conventional wisdom Deminpenn Aug 2022 #6
I'm not entirely buying the conventional wisdom In It to Win It Aug 2022 #10
Matthew Dowd thinks so, too Deminpenn Aug 2022 #14
What can be done at the federal level to enforce fair voting in these states? I mean just damn ... uponit7771 Aug 2022 #8
The Democrats in Congress need to pass a voting rights act. Lonestarblue Aug 2022 #17
+1, uponit7771 Aug 2022 #22
I wish CNN would harp on this for a week. LisaM Aug 2022 #9
What Pisses Me Off About Ohio (My State) ChoppinBroccoli Aug 2022 #11
IIRC In It to Win It Aug 2022 #12
This is just the beginning dwayneb Aug 2022 #13
To myself, what is even more unfortunate OldBaldy1701E Aug 2022 #16
Wait EnergizedLib Aug 2022 #15
The difference between Democrats and Republicans. gab13by13 Aug 2022 #18
Thank SCOTUS! budkin Aug 2022 #19
Rogue, outlaw Supreme Court yields rogue, outlaw elections. Hermit-The-Prog Aug 2022 #20

Rebl2

(13,613 posts)
3. So why
Mon Aug 8, 2022, 10:48 AM
Aug 2022

haven’t these congressional maps been contested in these states? Did they draw them so late this year, there wasn’t time to contest before primaries? I know the redrawn map in KS was contested, but the court said the way it was drawn was legal.

HariSeldon

(459 posts)
4. Districts drawn illegally? Refuse to seat
Mon Aug 8, 2022, 10:56 AM
Aug 2022

The new House should refuse to seat all representatives from any state whose districts their own courts or federal courts have ruled illegal.

Deminpenn

(15,305 posts)
6. I'm not buying the conventional wisdom
Mon Aug 8, 2022, 11:05 AM
Aug 2022

that Dems are going to lose the House. Rs aren't the only ones doing partisan gerry-manders.

In It to Win It

(8,315 posts)
10. I'm not entirely buying the conventional wisdom
Mon Aug 8, 2022, 11:48 AM
Aug 2022

I still think we can keep the House. It'll be hard but it's possible. Gas prices are under control (or getting there), jobs reports are strong, and the Dobbs ruling energized some parts of the electorate. I think it'll be difficult but I also think keeping the House is within reach, which I think we're in a much better position than we were a few months ago. I hopeful that it remains that way.

With regard to the gerrymanders, they aren't the only ones doing it but they are doing it more because they control more state legislatures. I won't underestimate that hurdle but I think keeping the House is within reach, despite that hurdle.

uponit7771

(90,371 posts)
8. What can be done at the federal level to enforce fair voting in these states? I mean just damn ...
Mon Aug 8, 2022, 11:10 AM
Aug 2022

... at what point will hair on fire be the norm when it comes to voting?!

Lonestarblue

(10,176 posts)
17. The Democrats in Congress need to pass a voting rights act.
Mon Aug 8, 2022, 01:31 PM
Aug 2022

It will not help the 2022 election, but states need to be forced to draw fair districts before the 2024 election. The only way to do that is to outlaw gerrymandering. If that is the only piece of voting rights they can get passed now, then do it because we might not have the votes in the House after the 2022 election.

Gerrymandering is the single most effective tool that Republicans have used to gain and hold power, and the guarantee of safe Republican seats has just led to more and more extreme candidates like Greene, Boebert, Cawthorn, Gosar, and many others in this party of kooks.

LisaM

(27,863 posts)
9. I wish CNN would harp on this for a week.
Mon Aug 8, 2022, 11:40 AM
Aug 2022

They wear out plenty of topics with no substance. Why not find a legit issue like this and spend some time on it, instead of picking lint off Biden's lapels all day?

ChoppinBroccoli

(3,786 posts)
11. What Pisses Me Off About Ohio (My State)
Mon Aug 8, 2022, 11:51 AM
Aug 2022

The Republican Party (or rather, the Republican-controlled redistricting committee--same thing) submitted gerrymandered maps that the Ohio Supreme Court found to be unconsitutional. So they just kept re-submitting the same maps, and the Supreme Court KEPT finding them unconstitutional. Eventually the time ran out and the Supreme Court just shrugged their shoulders and said, "Well, now we don't have TIME to put new maps in place, so I guess we'll just have to use these."

There should be some sort of sanction on the Republicans for continuing to submit the SAME unconstitutional maps over and over again until the clock runs out. At BEST, this is a sham legal process (which, if any attorney or private citizen kept filing the same lawsuit over and over after it had been dismissed, would result in "vexatious litigator" sanctions), and at worst, it's contempt of court.

How do these corrupt assholes just keep getting away with this shit? The reason why Ohio is now on the same level as all the wacko RW States like Alabama and Mississippi and Oklahoma is because the Republicans in Ohio have no fear whatsoever of losing their seats. This State has been so badly gerrymandered that they will NEVER be out of power. And there is nothing we can do about it. That's why when you see some whack-job abortion law that gets passed in Arkansas or wherever, Ohio is hot on their heels to pass one of their own. Ohio USED to be a reliably purple State. In just a few short years, it went down the Trump rabbit hole and has become a laughingstock.

In It to Win It

(8,315 posts)
12. IIRC
Mon Aug 8, 2022, 12:03 PM
Aug 2022

The federal district court instituted the gerrymandered map after the Ohio Supreme Court said it was unconstitutional for something like the 5th time.

The Ohio Supreme Court ordered them to be redrawn but the federal court gave the state legislature a deadline to have a map in place. They had to comply with the federal court, and they ran out the clock to the point where they couldn't comply with both the Ohio Supreme Court and the federal court. In such a scenario of conflicting orders or deadlines, the federal court wins over the state court and federal court puts a map in place that the state Supreme Court ruled unconstitutional. The legislature purposefully ran out the clock.

dwayneb

(773 posts)
13. This is just the beginning
Mon Aug 8, 2022, 12:11 PM
Aug 2022

I'm not surprised at this at all.

The sad thing is that all of this was so easy to see coming, and we did very little stop it. Back during the Obama era there were plenty of legislative opportunities to turn the ship away from its collision course. But instead it was business as usual.

It wasn't until Trump ran for President that anyone seriously called the alarm. I can still recall Hillary Clinton's "deplorables" remark which at the time seemed pretty extreme to many. But now we understand that Clinton saw what was coming, and she knew well what the election of Trump would mean for the future of our democracy.

With Trump puppet Big Lie promoters going into governorships and secretaries of state all over the nation, and heavily gerry-mandered districts, we will soon be into a situation where it may be impossible for Democrats or Independents to ever win elections in many States. These Trump puppets can also potentially control the appointment of the electors in a Presidential. That's the end goal.

The Judicial branch was our last best hope, and now we see that it is corrupted not only at the SCOTUS level but at all levels.

We are in a war for our very existence as a free country and unfortunately I don't see that great mobilizing leader that we need in order to win it.



OldBaldy1701E

(5,221 posts)
16. To myself, what is even more unfortunate
Mon Aug 8, 2022, 01:30 PM
Aug 2022

Is that we are waiting for a 'great leader' to save us. Typical that we want a Hollywood ending to reality. That just is not going to happen. So, we are still awaiting that savior when we all have the ability to win this. I guess that propaganda is working after all.

gab13by13

(21,513 posts)
18. The difference between Democrats and Republicans.
Mon Aug 8, 2022, 01:35 PM
Aug 2022

I believe New York's map was ruled illegal and Democrats in New York revised their map.

Republicans just kept using the rejected maps until it was too close to the election to change it.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,574 posts)
20. Rogue, outlaw Supreme Court yields rogue, outlaw elections.
Mon Aug 8, 2022, 02:45 PM
Aug 2022

I don't know how we fix this shit at a national level without 60 Senators.

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