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Demovictory9

(32,464 posts)
Fri Aug 5, 2022, 11:00 PM Aug 2022

Library Officer Is Killed During Safety Training

Library Officer Is Killed During Safety Training
Retired police officer in DC was showing her and others how to use extendable batons



A retired police lieutenant enlisted to teach library officers how to use extendable batons shot and killed one of his pupils in Washington, DC, on Thursday, according to police. Jesse Porter, 58, is charged with involuntary manslaughter in the shooting death of Maurica Manyan, 25, of Indian Head, Md., a police rep tells the Washington Post.

Metropolitan Police said Porter, a professional trainer who retired from the police department in November 2020, was contracted by the Anacostia Neighborhood Library in southeast Washington to provide training to officers on the use of extendable batons and it wasn't clear why a live firearm was involved, let alone used.

Police Chief Robert J. Contee III said Manyan was shot toward the end of the training session as she, Porter, and about four other library police officers were gathered in a meeting room. "The instructor discharged a single round from a firearm which struck the decedent," according to a police statement.

"Not sure, in this situation, why the trainer had a live weapon in a training environment but it’s not good practice to do that," Contee added at a press conference. Manyan wasn't breathing when police responded to the scene shortly after 3:30pm and was later pronounced dead at a hospital, per WTTG. Police said Porter was arrested and charged later Thursday after "consultation with the United States Attorney's Office for the District of Columbia."

https://www.newser.com/story/323845/library-officer-fatally-shot-in-safety-training.html
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albacore

(2,399 posts)
3. "Good guy with a gun"? Not making light of a sad situation... just pointing out that guns..
Fri Aug 5, 2022, 11:45 PM
Aug 2022

..are dangerous even in trained hands.

"Annually, more than 27,000 individuals are admitted to the emergency department for unintentional firearm injuries. The vast majority of these individuals, more than 26,000, do not succumb to their injuries and die."

In the EU...
"In the EU approximately 6,700 people die as a result of shot wounds each year. This number is composed of 5,000 suicides, 1,000 homicides, and 700 unspecified deaths or accidents."
The EU collectively has about the same population as the US.
There are currently at least 25 million gun owners in the EU, mainly men. Together, they own approximately 79.8 million guns."

https://vlaamsvredesinstituut.eu/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/factsheet_firearms_and_deaths_in_eu.pdf

By contrast... In the US...
In 2020, the most recent year for which complete data is available, 45,222 people died from gun-related injuries in the U.S., according to the CDC.
.... suicides 24,292... murders (19,384), according to the CDC. The remaining gun deaths that year were unintentional ..535, involved law enforcement ...611 or had undetermined circumstances ...400.

The numbers are there, and the conclusion is clear.
The more guns.... the more dead people a country has.

Bucky

(54,032 posts)
7. Self-inflicted harm, mostly suicide, is by far the biggest cause of gun violence
Sat Aug 6, 2022, 04:25 AM
Aug 2022

And yes, you're absolutely right. If there's a lot of guns in use, no matter how much training goes on, somewhere at some point somebody is going to be careless and someone is going to die needlessly. The more guns you got, and more number of pointless tragedies you get.

albacore

(2,399 posts)
12. Many of the gun suicides are needless, too.
Sat Aug 6, 2022, 05:57 PM
Aug 2022

Other countries like us have a lower suicide rate.
Having a gun handy makes a snap decision to end one's life permanent. Pills... not so much. No having second thoughts with a firearm. No calling for help.

US suicide rate: 16.1 per 100K
UK suicide rate: 7.9
Canada suicide rate: 11.8
Germany .... 12.3
Italy .....6.7

Bucky

(54,032 posts)
13. plus the ideation of self destruction as a response to depression is fed by a violent society
Mon Aug 8, 2022, 08:52 AM
Aug 2022

Human beings are, by nature, copycats. It's how we learn as a species. We see and we emulate.

When the notion of dealing with frustration is fed by images of shooting others, both in entertainment and in the news, then we cultivate a propensity to lash out at a world full of humiliations. Allow easy access to guns into the mix, alongside a personal weapons industry that advertises guns as glamorous & powerful... and --wallah-- you have an America with a mass shooting problem.

But just like teen suicides often come in clusters, overall we live in a society where the "glamour" of suicide by gun appeals to people struggling with nihilistic thoughts (and a panic-feeding social media environment that bombards us with evidence of hopelessness to keep us all desperate and addicted). The result is that a country with a lot of guns around ends up with a lot of people who use them in the way they become more aware of, to end their own lives rather than do the "weak" thing and seek mental, emotional, or spiritual help.

Bucky

(54,032 posts)
6. Dear God, that's horrible. And she was only 25
Sat Aug 6, 2022, 04:22 AM
Aug 2022

Her whole life ahead of her. Because of the crazed violence in our society, the employer decided that she had to have some kind of safety training. But the guy in charge of that training clearly had no business conducting such a session.

Celerity

(43,435 posts)
8. she was a cop too
Sat Aug 6, 2022, 04:53 AM
Aug 2022
Ex-police Lt. arrested after fatally shooting DC officer

https://www.nbc11news.com/2022/08/05/ex-police-lt-arrested-after-fatally-shooting-dc-officer/

WASHINGTON (AP) — A retired police lieutenant has been arrested after police say he fatally shot a fellow law enforcement officer Thursday during a training exercise at a Washington D.C. library.

Jesse Porter was at the end of a training exercise at a library in the district’s Anacostia neighborhood Thursday afternoon when he fired a weapon that struck 25-year-old Maurica Manyan, Metropolitan Police Chief Robert Contee said Friday. The library officer was then rushed to a local hospital where he was later pronounced dead.

Porter was arrested on an involuntary manslaughter charge after police consulted with the U.S. attorney’s office in Washington. He remained in custody Friday and it wasn’t immediately clear if he had an attorney who could comment on his behalf. Metropolitan Police said the 58-year-old retired lieutenant was working for a private contractor providing training for a group of library police officers on how to use expandable batons when he discharged a single shot from his firearm.

There were about six people in the room at the time, including other library police officers. The city’s public library system has its own force of full-time special police officers who can be armed and are responsible for ensuring the safety and security of the library branches.

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