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Cyrano

(15,162 posts)
Mon Aug 1, 2022, 01:54 PM Aug 2022

Lindsey Graham tells Georgia to fuck off

https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm-elections-biden-georgia-atlanta-subpoenas-38394a276508e280dc2439e56d4a6520

The state of Georgia has subpoenaed Senator Lindsey Graham to testify in their investigation into Trump's attempt to overturn the 2020 presidential election in Georgia. Graham evidently made calls to Georgia, as did Trump, on tape, who was trying to influence the Georgia outcome of the election. They want to know what Graham knows about this and what his own calls were about.

He's fighting the subpoena in court, as he has every right to do. The latest argument is that he has something called "sovereign immunity" because he's a United States Senator.

Assume for a moment that he was an eye witness to a murder. Would he still be able to refuse to testify because of this "sovereign immunity" thing? Actually, he's being called to testify in an investigation that is, however you want to phrase it, the president of the United States making calls to Georgia officials as part of, what we all now know, to be a coup d'etat. But Lindsey doesn't want to talk about anything to do with what we call, sedition. (After all, what would a United States Senator know about such a horrible crime?)

If you or I were subpoenaed by Georgia, we could also hire a lawyer, but we don't have any of that "sovereign immunity" stuff. And you can bet your ass we'd end up testifying in this investigation.

Can we once and for all put this "No One Is Above The Law" bullshit to rest and never mention it again. If you live in this country and don't hold a position of power, you are not above the law. If you hold a position of power, (or vast wealth), the law doesn't apply to you.

Will Lindsey end up testifying in Georgia? I wouldn't bet two cents on it. He's too important. He's too powerful. And he's obviously got something to hide about his own phone calls.

Let me close this mini rant by saying that "The Law" in America is fucked up and will remain so as long as we keep electing corrupt people to positions of power.
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Lindsey Graham tells Georgia to fuck off (Original Post) Cyrano Aug 2022 OP
We need to fight this notion that anyone is BlueIdaho Aug 2022 #1
The money and power elites do not have to follow the law. Irish_Dem Aug 2022 #2
"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: alterfurz Aug 2022 #9
Excellent quote. Pinback Aug 2022 #10
I've often paraphrased this quote without knowing it. Cyrano Aug 2022 #11
Exactly. Wilhoit is spot on. Irish_Dem Aug 2022 #12
"Sovereign immunity"????? calimary Aug 2022 #3
Smells like weasel shit from where I sit in California. PufPuf23 Aug 2022 #5
Sounds like the arguments "sovereign citizens" make. MineralMan Aug 2022 #6
Here's an excerpt from the link Cyrano Aug 2022 #7
*sniff, sniff* ShazzieB Aug 2022 #16
LOL azureblue Aug 2022 #27
1.What "legislative act". 2. A grand jury is not an "ad hoc investigatory body." Marcuse Aug 2022 #28
It... appmanga Aug 2022 #26
Graham tried to interfere with the Georgia election, which has NOTHING to do with his job JohnSJ Aug 2022 #4
"I do declare." Meadowoak Aug 2022 #8
"that I belong to the sovereign political class" Justice matters. Aug 2022 #14
These fucks... The Unmitigated Gall Aug 2022 #13
He has zero power in Georgia. CanonRay Aug 2022 #15
I would love to squeeze that pimple until it pops Warpy Aug 2022 #17
I would wear latex gloves and get a shot on penicillin for good measure. Meadowoak Aug 2022 #19
Uh, triple gloves and face shield Warpy Aug 2022 #21
Personally, this case is the one that I'm rooting for. mjvpi Aug 2022 #18
I just googled the phrase "sovereign immunity" to see what would come up ShazzieB Aug 2022 #20
Not only will nothing happen to him, but he'll be re-elected at least two more times budkin Aug 2022 #22
I look for the DOJ to subpoena him in the very near future! Emile Aug 2022 #23
+1 TeamProg Aug 2022 #25
He will end up complying. That is my belief.. n/t TeamProg Aug 2022 #24

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
1. We need to fight this notion that anyone is
Mon Aug 1, 2022, 01:59 PM
Aug 2022

Too rich, too powerful, or too otherwise protected to sit down for a deposition in a criminal case. Lindsey is a cheat who got caught trying to change another states vote outcome. He belongs in jail, not in the US Senate.

Irish_Dem

(52,208 posts)
2. The money and power elites do not have to follow the law.
Mon Aug 1, 2022, 01:59 PM
Aug 2022

The law is only used to protect them and to control others.

For the rest of us, the laws do not protect us, only punish us.

alterfurz

(2,490 posts)
9. "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:
Mon Aug 1, 2022, 02:14 PM
Aug 2022

There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." -- Frank Wilhoit

Cyrano

(15,162 posts)
11. I've often paraphrased this quote without knowing it.
Mon Aug 1, 2022, 02:23 PM
Aug 2022

"The world is made up of 'Fuckors' and 'Fuckees.' Most have no clue that they are among the vast majority of "Fuckees."

PufPuf23

(8,979 posts)
5. Smells like weasel shit from where I sit in California.
Mon Aug 1, 2022, 02:09 PM
Aug 2022

Thought Graham was a slimy weasel since 9-11 times.

What a tool. Who are his "deep" financial supporters?

MineralMan

(146,538 posts)
6. Sounds like the arguments "sovereign citizens" make.
Mon Aug 1, 2022, 02:10 PM
Aug 2022

Those arguments are universally unsuccessful, and so should Graham's be. There is no such thing as "sovereign immunity." We don't have kings and queens and other sovereigns here in the USA. We have ordinary citizens who have been elected to serve the people.

Screw Graham's "sovereignty."

Cyrano

(15,162 posts)
7. Here's an excerpt from the link
Mon Aug 1, 2022, 02:11 PM
Aug 2022
Graham’s lawyers cite a provision of the U.S. Constitution that they say “provides absolute protection against inquiry into Senator Graham’s legislative acts.” They also argue “sovereign immunity” prevents a local prosecutor from summoning a U.S. senator “to face a state ad hoc investigatory body.” And they assert that Willis has failed to demonstrate “the ‘extraordinary circumstances’ necessary to order a high-ranking federal official to testify.”


If it looks like horse shit and smells like horse shit, it's probably horse shit.

azureblue

(2,209 posts)
27. LOL
Mon Aug 1, 2022, 04:44 PM
Aug 2022

notice they do not quote that passage. What he is hiding behind is you cannot arrest / jail congress critters while in session. You can still make them testify while they are in session. And my read is they can be arrested (as often happens) out of session.
This was written to prevent the government from arresting its critics. Like Trump arresting all Democratic senators. Which he would do if got into power again



JohnSJ

(93,485 posts)
4. Graham tried to interfere with the Georgia election, which has NOTHING to do with his job
Mon Aug 1, 2022, 02:01 PM
Aug 2022

as Senator of South Carolina.

Sovereign immnity, my asss

Justice matters.

(7,099 posts)
14. "that I belong to the sovereign political class"
Mon Aug 1, 2022, 03:19 PM
Aug 2022

"therefore, that I don't have to abide to the laws Jo Sixpacks has to."

Sounds a lot like 18th-Century British Royalty to me...

Warpy

(112,134 posts)
17. I would love to squeeze that pimple until it pops
Mon Aug 1, 2022, 03:43 PM
Aug 2022

and tells us exactly what happpened during that golf game with TFG that made him whip around 180 degrees from hating the guy's guts to being his most ardent supporter.

My guess says it features Epstein and some DVDs he gave to his good buddy TFG.

It's only a guess. There will never be evidence. But the change was so sudden and the coincidence so great that I can't think of anything else.

mjvpi

(1,475 posts)
18. Personally, this case is the one that I'm rooting for.
Mon Aug 1, 2022, 03:48 PM
Aug 2022

A local DA takes down the rich and powerful. That is the America that believe in. The fact that she is a woman of color is historical buttercream frosting.

ShazzieB

(17,221 posts)
20. I just googled the phrase "sovereign immunity" to see what would come up
Mon Aug 1, 2022, 03:50 PM
Aug 2022

Here's a typical example of what I found:

Sovereign Immunity

The legal protection that prevents a sovereign state or person from being sued without consent.

Sovereign immunity is a judicial doctrine that prevents the government or its political subdivisions, departments, and agencies from being sued without its consent. The doctrine stems from the ancient English principle that the monarch can do no wrong.

More: https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Sovereign+Immunity


Sounds completely irrelevant. 1) Lindsey is not being sued, and 2) he's not the US government anyway. I wonder if he's trying to say Trump can't be sued for something he did while potus, and therefore the state of Georgia has no standing to make Lindsey testfy? If so, I don't think he will succeed. But I guess he can keep appealing all the way up to the SCOTUS if he feels like it, which could take a while. In other words, stall stall stall and hope the case goes away while he's at it. What disgusting little weasel.

budkin

(6,836 posts)
22. Not only will nothing happen to him, but he'll be re-elected at least two more times
Mon Aug 1, 2022, 03:55 PM
Aug 2022

Because America.

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