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Thu Jul 28, 2022, 06:10 PM

Experts warn of election 'havoc' across the US if North Carolina case succeeds

By Ariana Figueroa, States Newsroom
Published July 28, 2022

WASHINGTON ó Legal experts on Thursday warned lawmakers on the U.S. House Administration Committee that if the U.S. Supreme Court upholds a North Carolina case that embraces a fringe election theory, it would undermine future elections across the country.

ďTo be blunt, it would be extraordinary destabilizing,Ē said Carolyn Shapiro, a law professor at the Chicago-Kent College of Law.

The committee held the hearing in response to concerns that the Supreme Court could uphold the so-called state legislature theory, which argues that the Constitution gives legislatures the ability to regulate federal elections without oversight from state courts.

https://www.rawstory.com/experts-warn-of-election-havoc-across-the-us-if-north-carolina-case-succeeds/

This a case of the federalist society / dark money dream...if it comes true...

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2022, 07:56 PM

1. Those pesky courts!

We don't need no stinking Courts! /sarcasm off

The constitution doesn't specifically say that /any/ law by the legislature must be approved by the Courts. And none are, UNTIL a citizen brings forward a case, there the accepted procedure is for the state courts to oversee legislative acts to ensure they are in accord with the State's Constitution.

Why would voting legislation be any different?

Such BS. I don't even understand why the Supreme Court is taking up this case.

I'm worried. This SCOTUS seems to be acting outside of the actual laws and Constitution.

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2022, 08:03 PM

2. Oh yeah, I fear this one

real judges would even give it a listen, but this group of clowns may actually vote it in.

That would be the end of democracy.

Right now I would guess Uncle Clarence, Alito, Barrett are for it. that's damn close to a majority.
Oops forgot to add Beer Bong Brett to the for list.

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2022, 08:34 PM

3. If this goes the wrong way, blue states need to think about seceeding

We pin our hope on fixing things in this nation. At some point, we need to think about what to do when that fails.

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Response to eallen (Reply #3)

Thu Jul 28, 2022, 08:38 PM

4. A nation of red states would promptly become fiscally unstable without blue state tax support. n/t

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Response to royable (Reply #4)

Thu Jul 28, 2022, 08:40 PM

5. And the military would be sent to the seceding states

Itís happened before.

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Response to SCantiGOP (Reply #5)

Thu Jul 28, 2022, 08:52 PM

8. But would people be willing to fight a second civil war?

Iím not willing to fight to keep these assholes a part of my country.

I could never imagine ever moving to or visiting a red state and I imagine many in red states want nothing to do with blue states either.

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Response to royable (Reply #4)

Thu Jul 28, 2022, 08:41 PM

6. And then they'd start agitating to make war on their blue neighbors. n/t

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Response to Mister Ed (Reply #6)

Fri Jul 29, 2022, 09:46 AM

15. They want it all.

They think they deserve it all & some believe that God told them they could have it all. Abortion is a sin but killing libs is not. They are full of dangerous self-righteousness & moral superiority.

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Response to eallen (Reply #3)

Thu Jul 28, 2022, 08:49 PM

7. I see secession thrown around more and more recently

I saw a poll that 40% of Democrats and 50% of republicans support the idea of breaking up the union.

Iíve got mixed feelings on it myself. Iím getting tired of our nation being dragged backwards by republicans, but at the same time Iím not ready to give up on our nation just yet.

Losing our democracy and replacing it with an authoritarian government would certainly push something drastic to happen - and I donít think that is a far flung possibility at this point.

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2022, 08:54 PM

9. Why does the Federalist Society hate America?

To hell with the people, Long Live the State!

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2022, 09:05 PM

10. Courts are what held during the 2020 Pendejo45 fiasco ...

Image if they are stripped away from oversight, everything would have gone through state legislatures, damned be the votes.

I remember when the (R)'s said that there were activist judges on SCOTUS. They were right, except it's on the conservative side.

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Fri Jul 29, 2022, 01:03 AM

11. No other problem is so dire

As the damage that this Court can add to its existing damage by ruling in favor of this case. We might as well start looking into emigration. But nowhere in the world will be safe from the consequences.

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Fri Jul 29, 2022, 01:15 AM

12. Repubs wet dream

Sad for any chance at democracy though...

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Fri Jul 29, 2022, 08:10 AM

13. The purpose of the Subversive 6 is to enable a permanent, fascist theocracy.

White, conservative, evangelical protestants are the manipulated foot soldiers to implement a de-regulated industry-government alliance that suppresses opposition by jihad.

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Fri Jul 29, 2022, 08:13 AM

14. We need better arguments than "Fringe Theory" (nt)

 

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Fri Jul 29, 2022, 10:05 AM

16. Democracies don't usually just fall from the light of democracy into the abyss. Instead,

-- after the precious electoral STABILITY they once had is lost -- their people either restore their stability or they wobble for sometimes decades as weakened electorates swing in fear from one promise to another. Extremists dismissed in stable, rational times are empowered by desperation, and in worst cases governments may morph from far-right to far-left and back through decades of instability and serial revolutions.

But sometimes people learn from their mistakes and stabilize their democracies to what they had and want back. And that's probably what we will do here. Unlike most other nations, liberal democracy is all our people have ever known and it's what we expect to have. And though we've lost stability, we still do have a liberal democracy.

In any case, no matter what happens in this NC case, the fight will go on. For as long as it takes for us and our children to restore what we had but didn't appreciate and realize we could lose. Five years, or 50.

Good news is, people finally waking up to what's been happening for 30 years is a genuine advance, just not enough yet and of course not the kind we expected to be making. Like planning to start an NGO to fight climate change and instead learning what it's like to fight for life against a virulent grade 3 cancer.

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