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Nevilledog

(51,402 posts)
Sat Jul 16, 2022, 12:40 PM Jul 2022

Peter Strzok: The staggering counterintelligence issues in the crazy Dec 18, 2020 WH meeting.





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Take a moment to think about the staggering counterintelligence issues in the crazy Dec 18, 2020 WH meeting. A thread.

In the Oval Office, people advocated Trump illegitimately hold on to power, including using the military to seize voting machines.

That group included: (/1)

Mike Flynn, who who was paid by an organ of Russian state media to travel to Moscow to attend a dinner where he was seated next to Putin.

Flynn later plead guilty to lying to the FBI about conversations he had with the Russian Ambassador about election interference. (/2)

Patrick Byrne, one of several men once in an intimate relationship with convicted Russian agent Marina Butina.

Byrne gave money to Butina after her return to Russia, where she ran for the Duma, hounded Navalny, and supported the invasion of Ukraine. (/3)

Patrick Byrne, the pro-Trump former Overstock CEO admits funneling cash to his ex-lover Maria Butina, the glamorous spy expected to be elected to Russia's parliament

Maria Butina, a spy jailed and deported by the US, is standing for the Russia's parliament. Insider spoke to Patrick Byrne about their relationship.

https://www.businessinsider.com/pro-trump-former-overstock-ceo-gave-russian-spy-ex-lover-money-2021-9

Rudy Giuliani, who repeatedly met with and took info from sanctioned Russian agents like Andrii Derkach, despite USIC warnings to the White House in 2019 that Trump’s personal lawyer “was the target of an influence operation by Russian intelligence” (/4)

washingtonpost.com/national-secur…

So in this tiny meeting in the Oval Office where options to upend US democracy were advanced to the President of the United States, there were not one, not two, but three people directly linked to sanctioned and convicted agents of the Russian government. (/5)

While I doubt Russia planned it, their efforts to gain access to Trump’s inner sanctum succeeded beyond their wildest dreams.

And it demonstrates just how successful seemingly amateurish intelligence activity can be. (6/end)
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Peter Strzok: The staggering counterintelligence issues in the crazy Dec 18, 2020 WH meeting. (Original Post) Nevilledog Jul 2022 OP
I think that is exactly what was happening. kentuck Jul 2022 #1
We need to find out how much of the FBI & SS, are trumpers. empedocles Jul 2022 #6
More substance to this than imagining the FBI is "asleep." Hortensis Jul 2022 #19
You got that so right. empedocles Jul 2022 #23
✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ msfiddlestix Jul 2022 #33
Trump purged FBI of Russia counterintelligence experts. Kid Berwyn Jul 2022 #10
Yep! kentuck Jul 2022 #14
Moscow Mitch and Deripaska are best buddies. Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2022 #22
+1, there aint that much sleeping in the world uponit7771 Jul 2022 #35
Russian assets were all over the place at the highest levels. Irish_Dem Jul 2022 #2
It is NO WONDER that dRump gave this guy MyOwnPeace Jul 2022 #3
Wow! Strozak's tweet really distills the key players' involvement down to its essence and source, MLAA Jul 2022 #4
... Lucinda Jul 2022 #5
The Russian gorilla in the room... deminks Jul 2022 #7
Not to mention that group got past WH marine guards... brush Jul 2022 #8
Navarro aide arranged that Nevilledog Jul 2022 #9
Of course he did. Wow. nt crickets Jul 2022 #21
They need to make an example of Trump and his Seditious Co-Conspirators. Joinfortmill Jul 2022 #11
Kick dalton99a Jul 2022 #12
99-to-1 that several others in that room were on the putin payroll (or blackmail list) erronis Jul 2022 #13
Secret Service Texts CloudWatcher Jul 2022 #15
Kick. N/T Upthevibe Jul 2022 #16
My only problem? "...Maria Butina, the GLAMOROUS spy..." Grins Jul 2022 #17
Yeah, that was quite the stretch. Native Jul 2022 #20
Very important Wild blueberry Jul 2022 #18
* This is a DU must-read post.* It will be interesting if the J6 committee draws attention to this. JudyM Jul 2022 #24
YW Nevilledog Jul 2022 #25
People have more or less forgotten about him being a Russian asset because ... Novara Jul 2022 #26
you could be right. after all, just the attempt was enough to rock the foundations here. mopinko Jul 2022 #27
Well, he accomplished Putin's goal of destabilizing America Novara Jul 2022 #28
seemingly llashram Jul 2022 #29
I'm glad to see this huge subject come up. Russia's at war with the U.S. Hortensis Jul 2022 #30
✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ n/t msfiddlestix Jul 2022 #34
KNR and bookmarking. niyad Jul 2022 #31
Anyone connected to Maria should be under scrutiny PurgedVoter Jul 2022 #32

kentuck

(111,111 posts)
1. I think that is exactly what was happening.
Sat Jul 16, 2022, 12:47 PM
Jul 2022

The FBI is asleep at the wheel as the Russians clean our clock.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
6. We need to find out how much of the FBI & SS, are trumpers.
Sat Jul 16, 2022, 01:13 PM
Jul 2022

[President Biden reportedly reorganizing his SS detail].

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
19. More substance to this than imagining the FBI is "asleep."
Sat Jul 16, 2022, 03:40 PM
Jul 2022

America ELECTED tRump POTUS and turned congress and many state governments over to the Republican Party, tRump cabal, religious white right, others. The power they gained while Sanders and alt-left power seekers mislead followers into believing ti was about healthcare and minimum wage was ENORMOUS.

With it they also took over SCOTUS.

Midterms coming up. Vote "awake."

msfiddlestix

(7,290 posts)
33. ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️
Sun Jul 17, 2022, 01:07 PM
Jul 2022

This scenario as outlined is the fundamental underpinning cause of great anxt and concern I have regarding DO and FBI Jan 6 "investigations". Yes Voting Matters!!! No doubt whatsoever.

Unfortunately, so MUCH damage done by the Despot installed by dark forces in play, it's hard to fathom just how much damage to the Justice Department was likely done.

I feel we have to expect a number of moles and their associates still populate the DOJ/FBI.. Impossible for anyone to say with any degree of certainty, but it wouldn't surprise me if it later becomes revealed just high up the chain it actually goes.

It would be a major event for evidence of deep infiltration to be discovered and revealed to the public. Looking at previous cases of Russian agents inbedded in the FBI and the CIA as well as Navel Intelligence, back in the 70's and 80's and I think even later, I can't buy into any notion that it isn't the same today if not worse.

When I imagine how much damage has been done to these institutions, and that Garland's mandate on top of so much else, is to cull them out and clean up house. I don't know, it just seems so beyond any possibility.



Kid Berwyn

(15,226 posts)
10. Trump purged FBI of Russia counterintelligence experts.
Sat Jul 16, 2022, 01:58 PM
Jul 2022
Trump’s Top Targets in the Russia Probe Are Experts in Organized Crime

Some of President Trump’s favorite targets in the Russia probe have spent their careers in the Justice Department and the FBI investigating organized crime and money laundering, particularly as they pertain to Russia.


NATASHA BERTRAND
The Atlantic, AUG 30, 2018

Bruce Ohr. Lisa Page. Andrew Weissmann. Andrew McCabe. President Donald Trump has relentlessly attacked these FBI and Justice Department officials as dishonest “Democrats” engaged in a partisan “witch hunt” led by the special counsel determined to tie his campaign to Russia. But Trump’s attacks have also served to highlight another thread among these officials and others who have investigated his campaign: their extensive experience in probing money laundering and organized crime, particularly as they pertain to Russia.

snip...

Trump’s latest obsession is with Bruce Ohr, a career Justice Department official who spent years investigating Russian organized crime and corruption—an expertise he shared with another Trump target named Christopher Steele, the former British intelligence operative who provided valuable intelligence on Russia to the State Department and the FBI’s Eurasian Organized Crime Task Force prior to authoring the Trump-Russia dossier in 2016. Ohr and Steele met in 2007, according to The New York Times, and stayed in touch as a result of their shared interests and mutual respect. Trump has tweeted about Ohr nearly a dozen times this month alone, complaining about his relationship with Steele and Ohr’s wife’s past work for Fusion GPS—the opposition-research firm that hired Steele in 2016 to research Trump’s Russia ties.

snip...

Trump’s fixation with seeing Ohr ousted from the Justice Department could be perceived as yet another attempt to undermine the credibility of the people who have investigated him. It could also be interpreted as an attack on someone with deep knowledge of the shady characters Trump and his cohort have been linked to, including Semion Mogilevich, the Russian mob boss, and Oleg Deripaska, a Russian aluminum magnate close to Putin who did business with Trump’s former campaign chairman Paul Manafort. (Incidentally, another Manafort associate, the Ukrainian billionaire Dmitry Firtash, admitted that he only managed to be in business because Mogilevich allowed him to be, according to a leaked 2008 State Department cable.) Ohr was involved in banning Deripaska from the U.S. in 2006, due to his alleged ties to organized crime and fear that he would try to launder money into American real estate. Nearly a decade later, Ohr and the FBI sought Deripaska’s help in taking down overseas criminal syndicates.

Snip...

The president has denied having any business ties to Russia, and his dream of building a Trump Tower Moscow never materialized. But his links to Russian oligarchs and mobsters from the former Soviet Union have been documented: Millions of dollars from the former Soviet Union flowed into Trump’s developments and casinos throughout the 1990s, as the journalist Craig Unger has chronicled, as oligarchs looked for a place to hide their money in the West. The Trump Taj Mahal casino in Atlantic City, New Jersey, was once known as a hot spot for Brooklyn mobsters associated with the Russian Mafia, and quickly became the “favorite East Coast destination” of the top Russian mob boss Vyacheslav Ivankov, according to the 2000 book Red Mafiya: How the Russian Mob Has Invaded America. It was also repeatedly cited by the Treasury Department’s Financial Crimes Enforcement Network for having inadequate money-laundering controls.

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https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/08/trumps-top-targets-in-the-russia-probe-are-experts-in-organized-crime/569056/

Talk about treasonous.

Irish_Dem

(48,715 posts)
2. Russian assets were all over the place at the highest levels.
Sat Jul 16, 2022, 12:47 PM
Jul 2022

Of course they helped plan Jan 6.
No doubt whatsoever. The evidence is right in front of us.

MyOwnPeace

(16,959 posts)
3. It is NO WONDER that dRump gave this guy
Sat Jul 16, 2022, 12:50 PM
Jul 2022

SO much trouble - he was on to their game from the get-go!
So they hounded him, harassed him, fired him, slimmed him, did everything short of having him 'offed' (which they may regret not having done).


I SO HOPE Agent Strzok gets his day in court - and has a great, victorious parade after helping send IQ45 and his band of Insurrectionists off to jail where they belong.

MLAA

(17,386 posts)
4. Wow! Strozak's tweet really distills the key players' involvement down to its essence and source,
Sat Jul 16, 2022, 12:57 PM
Jul 2022

TREASON and RUSSIA.

deminks

(11,032 posts)
7. The Russian gorilla in the room...
Sat Jul 16, 2022, 01:20 PM
Jul 2022

I know many use the term 'former' boyfriend, but once you have had some red sparrow, are you ever a 'former' boyfriend? Is he still sending her money? For what exactly?

brush

(54,017 posts)
8. Not to mention that group got past WH marine guards...
Sat Jul 16, 2022, 01:34 PM
Jul 2022

and were let into the Oval Office by a junior WH staffer.

WTF? That's incredibly lax security.
I mean every Tom, Dick and Overstock.com bozo can get that close to the president without being stopped.

erronis

(15,528 posts)
13. 99-to-1 that several others in that room were on the putin payroll (or blackmail list)
Sat Jul 16, 2022, 02:16 PM
Jul 2022

Of course the orange turd was #1 (even if turds are normally #2).

Very few true defenders of the US Constitution. Fortunately a few that thought that this smelled so to high heaven that they were willing to tell some others (J6C, DOJ?).

CloudWatcher

(1,852 posts)
15. Secret Service Texts
Sat Jul 16, 2022, 02:20 PM
Jul 2022

I'm not paranoid, but I'm wondering how many of the Secret Service texts were in Russian.

Still wondering what TFG and Putin discussed at that intimate face-to-face they had. Wondering if their translator is still alive and able to be questioned.


Grins

(7,291 posts)
17. My only problem? "...Maria Butina, the GLAMOROUS spy..."
Sat Jul 16, 2022, 02:51 PM
Jul 2022

Maria Butina? “Glamorous?” Really?

I Don’t think so, but “the eye of the beholder” and all that.

JudyM

(29,313 posts)
24. * This is a DU must-read post.* It will be interesting if the J6 committee draws attention to this.
Sat Jul 16, 2022, 07:30 PM
Jul 2022

Thanks as usual, Nevilledog.

Novara

(5,896 posts)
26. People have more or less forgotten about him being a Russian asset because ...
Sat Jul 16, 2022, 07:38 PM
Jul 2022

... the sedition and upending democracy to stay in power became THE story. But what if, all along, he was trying to stay in power at Putin's bidding? A lot of people assumed once he lost, Putin was done with him. Maybe not. And maybe a shit-ton of Congresspeople are still on Russia's payroll and THAT'S why they still have their lips firmly glued to his asshole even now.

I mean, I pooh-poohed the idea, thinking that once it was clear how much of a loser he was after the election, Russia would have cut their losses. And to me, it was always clear that he wanted to stay in power to keep the investigations at bay. But maybe it's both?

mopinko

(70,445 posts)
27. you could be right. after all, just the attempt was enough to rock the foundations here.
Sun Jul 17, 2022, 07:45 AM
Jul 2022

yeah, i'm sure putler was watching as gleefully as tfg.

llashram

(6,265 posts)
29. seemingly
Sun Jul 17, 2022, 12:03 PM
Jul 2022

is the right word. I just look at the photos of President Obama in the presence of Putin and trump with a hangdog look in the presence of Putin after their oh-so-private meeting early in trumps maladministration of our country.

trump was in Putin's pocket. No doubt about it.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
30. I'm glad to see this huge subject come up. Russia's at war with the U.S.
Sun Jul 17, 2022, 12:06 PM
Jul 2022

They've destroyed many democratic governments by using political warfare techniques to turn whole peoples to destroying their own countries, and they've had outstanding successes in ours in this century.

But of course we are still the world's only superpower and are still a humiliating reality to a nation that peculiarly has historically always regarded itself as the world's greatest. Above all, ae are still able to thwart their hegemonic ambitions. So, equally of course, war continues. i

Russia's famous for blackmail. They must have achieved, and have, extraordinary influence over many decisionmakers in the Republican Party, business, the press, religion, military, etc.

PurgedVoter

(2,222 posts)
32. Anyone connected to Maria should be under scrutiny
Sun Jul 17, 2022, 12:45 PM
Jul 2022

Interesting that Russia controls their guns, but they support the Nazi Russian Alliance (NRA) when it pushes for the worst of America to have unlimited access to weapons.

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