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"Be advised that everybody on the property is trespassing." So said a Creek County Sheriff Department officer as he ordered activists off of private property yesterday.
He and his fellow officers looked like they were dressed for combat in a war zone, but in fact they had come to evict a woman from her home in Idaho Springs, Colorado. The following photos depict those officers, dressed in combat fatigues and carrying assault weapons, before and during arrests of activists affiliated with Occupy Denver at yesterday's foreclosure defense. (Photos by activist Ambrose Cruz.)
The homeowner facing eviction was apparently underwater on her mortgage with US Bank. She says she told the bank that all she was asking was for another 30 days in the home before an eviction. She needed an extra month in order to find another place to live, she said.
But US Bank and the Creek County Sheriff's Department had other plans, culminating a show of force that thoroughly alarmed activists who had descended on the property to attempt to prevent the eviction.
More on this trend: As with tasers, general principle is: if you fund them, they will use them on you.
Local Cops Ready for War With Homeland Security-Funded Military Weapons
A decade of billions in spending in the name of homeland security has armed local police departments with military-style equipment and a new commando mentality. But has it gone too far? Andrew Becker and G.W. Schulz of the Center for Investigative Reporting report.
Atlanta SWAT team
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/12/20/local-cops-ready-for-war-with-homeland-security-funded-military-weapons.html
sakabatou
(42,348 posts)dchill
(38,739 posts)And manly.
eyewall
(674 posts)Those are some scary looking civillians there. Especially the old guy wearing Dockers with an Obama button on his sweater.
villager
(26,001 posts)....and their best interests
Zalatix
(8,994 posts)nt
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)MrYikes
(720 posts)I have never understood why police get involved in civil matters. I guess they just like to dress up for Halloween.
loli phabay
(5,580 posts)Civil enforcement is a big part of the so job description.
Prometheus Bound
(3,489 posts)HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)seems like a pretty good job.
I don't think it's unprecedented:
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Police in what look like fatigues at an Occupy protest
http://occupywallst.org/article/live-now-watch-march-rnc/
MA state police going after suspect:
http://somerville.patch.com/articles/heavily-armed-state-police-tactical-team-deployed-to-east-somerville-home#photo-9707885
Anaheim police defending disneyland from demonstrators
http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/police?before=1343769913
Prometheus Bound
(3,489 posts)It is a much more severe picture than any of the police states I've visited. More like a country at war.
Gives me the fucking creeps.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)The way I figure, if you want to dress up and act like a soldier at war, you're asking to be treated like one by the people you are designating as "enemy."
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Gregorian
(23,867 posts)What IS the police state test? Brown shirts? Psychos with guns?
Yank the police and military funding, I say. Give them 10% of what they're getting, and they'll still be the biggest armies on the planet.
pasto76
(1,589 posts)universal camouflage pattern. BTW, doesnt even really work, which is why my Army is set to replace it in the next year.
M16/AR15 assault rifles - although many in this forum will tell you that they are NOT assault rifles. You expect law enforcement to be outgunned by very real bad guys out there. Awesome.
I understand they look scary to you folks, but to an Iraq war veteran, they look as ridiculous as any militia out there 'training' for civic unrest or to 'assist local authorities in an emergency'. They look like clowns. They do NOT look military any more than the kids dressed up as soldiers did wednesday night.
uniforms or not, ARs or not, they would have come to evict those people just like any sheriffs deputies. Maybe they would be wearing blue or black uniforms - cause cops usually wear uniforms, right?! - and have handguns actually drawn. Instead of ARs pointing down...
the second pic is nice because the front right guy is smiling. The 3rd pic is laughable with the guy on the left. Seriously. Laughable. He looks like a little kid who put on his dad's uniform and all his hockey pads, and a fly fishing vest. Nerd!
Check out his mustachio. Not in accordance with AR 670-1. Nor is his buddy with the sleeves rolled up. Rolled up sleeves havent existed in my Army for like 7 years.
The part that sucks is people going underwater on a mortgage. But why would you even post about the LE that goes to enforce an eviction notice, and not the banks and financial system that are fucking people like this?
PS - these guys are not dressed for war. You should clarify that is your opinion. I didnt look anything like this when I was actually in that war.
PPS - They are called Sheriffs OFFICEs. Not departments. Sheriffs are elected officials. The non corrections officers in the SO are called DEPUTIES.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)military uniforms.
get a clue.
pasto76
(1,589 posts)Get a clue? guess my experience in an actual sheriffs office AND the Army make you more clueful. Somehow.
sorry Ive let the air out of your hype tire. But Ive been serving this country and my community for many years. My take on what you presented in this collection of pics has a lot more weight than yours. I cant apologize for your lack of doing anything.
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sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)intimidate American Citizens? Do you support the Civilian Police being supplied with Military Grade weapons, and if so why?
That 'collection of pics' should never be seen on the streets of any Democracy. No civilian police department should be allowed to use military weapons on the civilian population.
warrprayer
(4,734 posts)is not "serving the community".
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pasto76
(1,589 posts)ive been reading BS like this, from people like you, for over a decade now. You, specifically, are most clueless.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)military -- and that's exactly what they're supposed to think, & that's why these assholes are wearing it.
to intimidate the public, like the militarized mini-dick bully-boys they are.
camo & guns for an eviction. it's disgusting.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)family members and friends who are in the military. And guess what, many of them are are sick of people on the Right condoning the militarization of our Civilian Police because they understand why we have a Civilian Police Dept and why we have civilian leadership rather than military leadership.
Do you know why btw?
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)fact it is laughable, not them dressed up in their military costumes, but the fact that we still claim to be a democracy.
The intention is to treat American Citizens as if they were the enemy. We ARE the enemy of THEIR bosses, who are no longer the American people who pay their salaries. Their bosses are Wall Street. I believe that Wall Street, NOT American civilians should be paying their salaries so we can hire an actual, civilian police force that works for US.
If you think they do not carry military weapons btw, you need to do some research.
And it doesn't matter what you want to call them, they have beaten and nearly killed peaceful protesters exercizing their 1st Amendment rights. What they SHOULD be doing is arresting the criminals on Wall Street.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)They think they are a military force.
They think that these people are "the enemy" of their military force.
This is unacceptable from civilian law enforcement.
As for your comment, "You expect law enforcement to be outgunned by very real bad guys out there," that's fucking ludicrous. They're evicting people who are late on a payment, they aren't fighting off the motherfucking Wehrmacht.
I'm happy that you served. Maybe though, you should be in less of a hurry to rub off people who want to play soldier, but only have the balls to stomp on poor Americans.
NickB79
(19,355 posts)Those could well be select-fire weapons; you'd need to see if they have the proper selector switches and auto sears installed. And it is legal for police special teams to carry fully automatic firearms if they get the OK from higher up.
kaiden
(1,314 posts)SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)unnecessary force against unarmed and peaceful members of Denver OWS.
Stinky The Clown
(67,926 posts)HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)backscatter712
(26,355 posts)I don't know why we tolerate these types on DU.
If I were admin, authoritarianism-advocacy would be a PPR-able offense. People who want to post that trash should do it on Free Republic with the rest of the authoritarian mouthbreathers.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)'I don't know why we tolerate these types on DU'.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)We've outsourced the community standards to whoever clicks the "sure, I'll serve a jury!" button first... most of whom respond to everything with "that's just, like, his opinion, man!"
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)At least when dealing with peaceful protestors, impoverished homeowners and cancer grannies with a little weed.
What stalwart defenders of our country!
Little bullies playing army with real, death-dealing weapons.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Time to wake up yet?
donheld
(21,312 posts)It has left all protesters and the woman who was foreclosed upon were quite traumatized. We helped her remove her belongings from off the side of the hill Wednesday through Friday. The (New) land owner/bank is promising to trash all that's left behind starting Saturday(today). Some were knocked to the ground. Some had up to 5 AR-14's shoved in their faces.
Yesterday a highly militarized police force arrived at the home of 63 year old Sahara Donahue to evict her from her residence of 24 years. She was petitioning US Bank for an additional 60 days to remain in her home, so she could have some time to find a new place to live, secure her belongings and leave her home with dignity. She came to the Colorado Foreclosure Resistance Coalition and Occupy Denver General Assembly to ask for our help. She knew no one in Occupy Denver prior to reaching out. We immediately started mobilizing to try to get her the assistance she needed and a group went up to her house for the first rumored eviction on Thursday 10/25. When that eviction didnt happen, we planned an in-town action at US Bank on Monday for Sahara to try to find someone to speak with about her situation, with carpools up to her house later that day as the eviction was said to be scheduled for Tuesday 10/30. Occupiers laid barricades from fallen trees to prevent moving trucks and workers from entering the property and were able to stave off the eviction for a few hours. At 2:45pm ten or more truckloads of police in full combat gear armed with live-ammo AR-15s, and grenade launchers arrived on the scene & forced occupiers to the ground at gun point. Police then made their way to the house, broke down the front door, threw Sahara to the ground in her own kitchen and pointed their guns at the heads of a mother and son who were in the house with Sahara along with others. They continued to break items in the house as they searched it. They unplugged the modem, which was the only mode of communication as there was no cell phone coverage in the area, in order to stop the livestream and all communications. After the livestream cut out, the occupy denver legal team spent a harrowing hour in communication blackout wondering if they would be receiving calls from the hospital instead of the jail this time. This psychological violence did not stop one brave activist from jumping into the bucket of the bulldozer that was going to tear through the barricades and forced the operator to stop for several minutes. Three arrests were made, two activists were assaulted and all have been released. Many of the people on the ground have survived multiple occupations and riot cop lines but all agree that this was the most surreal and violent state repression they have experienced protesting. There has been overwhelming community support as other activists and concerned people watched the unnecessary militarized drama unfold online. Everyone is asking Seriously, why are they in military gear? All captions for the following photographs are actual comments made on the Occupy Denver Facebook Page.
More at: http://occupydenver.org/peacefulvalleyeviction/
I can't make Original Posts or I'd have posted this myself.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Thank you for this additional information.
Wake the hell up, America. When is enough, enough?
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Someone up thread here was laughing this off as if it was just a show. Maybe he can be forgiven for doubting this as we still claim, falsely, to be a democracy.
I was going to say that this should be an OP. Is there a reason why you cannot post it yourself? If so, I would be happy to do it for you. This is a national disgrace and she should continue to fight the Bank, make them pay for this in court, everywhere she can.
Shameful, disgusting, horrifying. And if we continue to tolerate it it will get worse.
Once again, thank you Occupiers. They appear to be our only hope to stop these attacks on American citizens.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)This should be on the front page of every newspaper and at the top of every broadcast.
We are no longer in the America we are told we inhabit.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)donheld
(21,312 posts)I have not star because I have no money to donate. Thus I cannot start my own thread.
I'm smiling. Is that not allowed? Sometimes you have to smile through pain. I was surrounded
by people who I dearly love who bring joy to my life in spite of pain.
Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)Occupy Denver is a strong group. Solidarity from California! Occupy Fights Foreclosures (California), Occupy our homes ATL (Atlanta), Occupy Minnesota, and others join you in the struggle against corrupt banks and their soldier boys.
I watched these pics come in on Twitter that day and it was literally like a punch in the gut. Respect to all who got in the way of this crime. Note that the more militarized and brutal their actions become, the more people will turn against them and the for-profit machinery giving them orders.
loli phabay
(5,580 posts)normally the deputy is just there to ensure it passes peacably, most times the evictee is already gone and the possessor just changes the locks. Sometimes if the evictee is still there then accommodation is made to have their stuff taken out and loaded and taken where they want it. In a case like this were someone refuses to leave it becomes a barricade situation, it puts the so in a difficult position as the court order has to be enforced, a lot of times aggreement is made with the possessor to allow the evictee to have time to relocate but if the possessor demands that the eviction goes ahead then the so have to enforce the court order. Now its sop when you have a refuser and a large crowd in support for the SERT to handle the eviction and like in all police work if you dont get voluntary compliance then you use overwhelming numbers in order to ensure that you can control what happens. Now taking aside the individual situation here were there were no weapons a lot of times people resort to the my home is my castle and decide on the feet first approach and i will fight to the death, not often but it happens enough that so around the country dont take any chances. Now to the point about the police not wearing police uniforms its pretty plain to see the police and sheriff rockers on these guys, and remember these are special units that are deployed when there are circumstances that may need their skills due to escalation, and frankly bdus are more comfortable when doing breaches or mass arrests than the standard uniform. Not wanting to get into a fight over this just giving some insight into the thought process behind why. Now if you have a problem with the courts issuing eviction orders then the people to set your sights on is the elected legislatures who pass the laws.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)That is why they are sending what looks like a real army, armed to the teeth, to stop OWS from interfering in the fraud which they have managed to get away with for several years now without anyone stopping them.
Congress should have immediately placed a moratorium on all foreclosures as soon as the massive fraud in the system was uncovered. But Congress is hopeless when it comes to the American people. They too apparently, for the most part, work for Wall Street.
But finally now the people are beginning to fight back and that is why we are seeing this outrageous show of force on our streets.
Btw, do you know what the procedures are for arresting Corrupt Wall Street Bankers? You are very well versed in the procedures for throwing people out of their homes, but I would love to know how we go about holding the REAL criminals accountable as it's way past time and not one of them has even received a notice that they are under investigation. On the contrary, deals have been made with them to protect them from prosecution.
loli phabay
(5,580 posts)loli phabay
(5,580 posts)But if there are no laws then you need to vote people in who would make them.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)might finally be applied the Government makes some kind of deal with them, pressuring US Attorneys to go along with these deals.
Eg, my friend was wrongfully foreclosed on, the Government has now acknowledged that. She is included in the deal that was worked out with the Banks several months ago, she was told.
She has been contacted by the NY Attorneys office and by the Office of the Currency. Last week they offered here $800.00, yes two zeros, as compensation for the wrong that was done to her. THIS was the deal made with the Banks even when they knew people's homes had literally been stolen.
It's no use having laws when they do not apply to certain segments of the population.
My friend will refuse that insult and continue with the lawsuit against Wells Fargo and their now out-of-business law mill which handled the corrupt foreclosure.
The only reason she still has that option, to sue them herself, is because ONE US Attorney resisted the pressure to accept the first agreement and made sure that option was not removed.
No one is working for the people. OWS understands the Foreclosure travesty and has been working to save homes, in several cases successfully. Now they are being attacked by robo cops in military outfits.
The people are on their own when it comes to massive crimes against them by Wall Street.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)loli phabay
(5,580 posts)Now there are tear gas launchers but you realise a tear gas cannister is not a grenade neither is a flash bang.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)Yes, we know, the sight of cops playing soldier and bearing automatic weapons makes you moist.
loli phabay
(5,580 posts)Response to loli phabay (Reply #49)
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woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)This what they do while we're enjoying the entertainment provided.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)DaniDubois
(154 posts)job is to give tickets and arrest people for victim less crimes, to extort from the taxpayer money for the prison industrial complex. They serve the interests of the corporations and the "homeland" not the families who pay their wages.
Justices Rule Police Do Not Have a Constitutional Duty to Protect Someone
By LINDA GREENHOUSE
Published: June 28, 2005
WASHINGTON, June 27 - The Supreme Court ruled on Monday that the police did not have a constitutional duty to protect a person from harm, even a woman who had obtained a court-issued protective order against a violent husband making an arrest mandatory for a violation.
Complete Coverage: Monday's Supreme Court Decisions
Forum: Issues Before the Supreme Court
The decision, with an opinion by Justice Antonin Scalia and dissents from Justices John Paul Stevens and Ruth Bader Ginsburg, overturned a ruling by a federal appeals court in Colorado. The appeals court had permitted a lawsuit to proceed against a Colorado town, Castle Rock, for the failure of the police to respond to a woman's pleas for help after her estranged husband violated a protective order by kidnapping their three young daughters, whom he eventually killed.
[link:http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/28scotus.html?_r=0|
New York Times]
For anyone confused about what the job of today's police officer is, there's a good book by Richard Stevens, called - Dial 911 and Die
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Have we had enough yet, America?
Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)Anarchaeologist ?@DrBenway2323
Full video of Idaho Springs #occupydenver foreclosure resistance eviction
Generic Other
(28,980 posts)I don't understand why cops aren't bringing social workers with them to do evictions. They look too threatening when compassion is needed.
They become the paid mercenaries of the banks. They should not be placed in that position.
Additionally, all that HS money should have been spent learning to be better peace officers.
MissMarple
(9,656 posts)And the banks were selling her mortgage without a paper trail.
warrprayer
(4,734 posts)... and was
in the Army too. Didn't make him any less of a sadistic asshole.
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