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Samrob

(4,298 posts)
Wed Jul 6, 2022, 12:41 PM Jul 2022

I am so sick and tired of Dems condemning our President Biden. He has and is doing everything he can

but gets absolutely no help from Republicans and little help from Democrats in the Senate. Why don't Democrats use their time on TV to get angry at their Republicans counterparts? What the hell is Schumer doing. So what votes will fail. But the Goddam bills up for a vote and get the Republican bastards on record voting either for or against Biden's and the Dems agenda.

Stop being scared. Expose the criminals for who they are.

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I am so sick and tired of Dems condemning our President Biden. He has and is doing everything he can (Original Post) Samrob Jul 2022 OP
Same Here Me. Jul 2022 #1
Sure jcgoldie Jul 2022 #2
K&R onecaliberal Jul 2022 #3
Yes! lees1975 Jul 2022 #4
Same Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #5
Agreed! K&R FalloutShelter Jul 2022 #6
For the most part, yes Bettie Jul 2022 #7
Is President Biden friends with McConnell from the Senate? I hope he can see Mitch for who he is. DickKessler Jul 2022 #16
Exactly. Schmice3 Jul 2022 #24
People might also quit making suggestions on candidate in 2024. LakeArenal Jul 2022 #8
Harris already announced that she would be running with Biden in 2024 Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2022 #10
Yes rebe303 Jul 2022 #9
No, he isn't doing everything he can. Novara Jul 2022 #11
I agree whole heartedly with this. SmittyWerben Jul 2022 #13
Agreed tecelote Jul 2022 #14
"your brother's a thief, your sister's a whore, and your ideas are treasonous!" is what certainot Jul 2022 #19
Agreed big time! AntivaxHunters Jul 2022 #33
Joe Biden is the best President in my lifetime. They are pulling out all stops in order to keep ... Botany Jul 2022 #12
I want Biden and Dems in general to succeed. I get the frustrations of many but I do take your point DickKessler Jul 2022 #15
excellent! thank you! bluboid Jul 2022 #17
We need to support him Maine Abu El Banat Jul 2022 #18
THIS! THIS! THIS! OMGWTF Jul 2022 #21
Joe overestimated his ability to get stuff done. Raven123 Jul 2022 #20
Manchin and Sinema's intrasigence Mad_Machine76 Jul 2022 #27
Maybe Joe needs to act little more like LBJ Trueblue1968 Jul 2022 #30
Interesting read Raven123 Jul 2022 #32
Manchin and Sennima are the problem. NOT Biden! Augiedog Jul 2022 #22
+1 Mad_Machine76 Jul 2022 #29
Dems falling for media propaganda too, just thankfully in smaller amounts? Brainfodder Jul 2022 #23
Roe is overturned. Voting rights are disappearing. Black men are being murdered. The SCOTUS is samsingh Jul 2022 #25
Roe is overturned. Voting rights are disappearing. Black men are being murdered. The SCOTIS samsingh Jul 2022 #26
Trump left Biden with a raging out of control dumpster fire. Initech Jul 2022 #28
"get angry" "stop being scared" -- emotions are not strategy. betsuni Jul 2022 #31
Manchin and Sinema are deliberately sinking our President and our party. Roisin Ni Fiachra Jul 2022 #34

Bettie

(15,876 posts)
7. For the most part, yes
Wed Jul 6, 2022, 01:29 PM
Jul 2022

my one sticking point is making a deal with McConnell to give an unqualified, right wing operative a lifetime court appointment on Mitch McConnell's word that he'll stop blocking two temporary appointees.

When has McConnell ever kept his word?

DickKessler

(350 posts)
16. Is President Biden friends with McConnell from the Senate? I hope he can see Mitch for who he is.
Wed Jul 6, 2022, 02:29 PM
Jul 2022

That is, a cynical sociopathic pos.

Novara

(5,597 posts)
11. No, he isn't doing everything he can.
Wed Jul 6, 2022, 02:08 PM
Jul 2022

His speech on the 4th right after mass murder at a 4th of July parade was weak and tone-deaf.

He needs to be more forceful. He's too wishy-washy. Still. You'd think he'd have learned from watching Obama all those years but evidently he didn't. He should be working on Manchin and Sinema to work on carve-outs of the filibuster. AFIK, he isn't doing a thing there.

I want a president with more fire in his belly. We are in crisis mode here.

tecelote

(5,122 posts)
14. Agreed
Wed Jul 6, 2022, 02:24 PM
Jul 2022

It's the big guns or nothing.

Republicans aren't going to play fair.

We can play fair and win but we have to be aggressive. Add three states, increase the supreme numbers, end the filibuster and pass common-sense laws. There's a lot we can do if we push the limits.

Totally agree "I want a president with more fire in his belly. We are in crisis mode here."

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
19. "your brother's a thief, your sister's a whore, and your ideas are treasonous!" is what
Wed Jul 6, 2022, 02:47 PM
Jul 2022

1500 republican radio stations yell about liberals, democrats and their reps all day.

they control the buzz and messaging in most states and they all have 2 senators.

and the people with the most to lose complain their reps can't do shit while they let a few hundred asshole lying fascists on 1500 radio stations take free potshots at their reps all day. we even let these 87 universities (fakenewsradio.org) support 260 x-limbaugh radio stations!

money in politics? if the GOP/putin would spend $1000 for a 1 hour radio infomercial 1200 radio stations are worth $90M/wk and about $5B/yr. FREE

until dems end the biggest political mistake in history and stop ignoring the only unique advantage the cons have they cannot collectively says they are getting their reps' backs, and the complaints are hollow.

when dems stop ignoring it the country will go 10-15 its left.

Botany

(70,063 posts)
12. Joe Biden is the best President in my lifetime. They are pulling out all stops in order to keep ...
Wed Jul 6, 2022, 02:12 PM
Jul 2022

him, V.P. Harris, the Dems, and the American people from getting a win.

And he saved this too.













DickKessler

(350 posts)
15. I want Biden and Dems in general to succeed. I get the frustrations of many but I do take your point
Wed Jul 6, 2022, 02:26 PM
Jul 2022

POTUS is getting little to no help. It’s awful.

Raven123

(4,597 posts)
20. Joe overestimated his ability to get stuff done.
Wed Jul 6, 2022, 03:06 PM
Jul 2022

I remember his answer to the question of how he would pass his major economic package, given the make-up and tules of the Senate. He said it was be caused he is the president.

He never expected the strong resistance from Sinema and Manchin. He overestimated his ability to engage the GOP, believing his election meant turning the page on Trumpism. McConnell is just sitting back hoping they win back control of the Senate and Congress, continue to win decisions at his personally selected majority SCOTUS and then the presidency in 2024.

Unquestionably, Dems need to get it together and communicate better. They need a rapid response team that monitors the conspiracy theories and shoots them down before they take off. They need another team to communicate how Dem policies help the people and tailor those efforts to the primary interests of various constituents, for example urban versus rural. This can’t be done from 10,000 feet. It has to be more granular.

Mad_Machine76

(24,300 posts)
27. Manchin and Sinema's intrasigence
Wed Jul 6, 2022, 03:32 PM
Jul 2022

was most certainly difficult to predict and they also lead him on to believe that they would be able to come to a deal eventually. We need to keep them inside the tent, however, until we have more Senators, so I imagine that he has to tread carefully when dealing with them.

Trueblue1968

(17,012 posts)
30. Maybe Joe needs to act little more like LBJ
Wed Jul 6, 2022, 11:03 PM
Jul 2022

How did he do it? There is a wonderful photo of Lyndon Johnson and Supreme Court Justice Abe Fortas. Johnson is towering over Fortas, smiling and invading his space as the jurist uncomfortably leans back and clinches his arms to his chest. That photo has become emblematic of what became known as the Johnson Treatment—Lyndon Johnson’s persuasive tactics described by Mary McGrory as “an incredible, potent mixture of persuasion, badgering, flattery, threats, reminders of past favors and future advantages.”

So how did LBJ persuade? First, he’d establish a vision and a purpose. In Mark Updegrove’s Indomitable Will: LBJ in the Presidency, Jack Valenti recounts how, the evening of Kennedy’s assassination in Dallas, Johnson sat at home with his team and spent five hours mapping what would become the Great Society agenda. “He knew with stunning precision the mountaintop to which he was going to summon people,” Valenti recalled. That vision for his presidency became the purpose and focal point of his persuasion. Often in seeking to persuade people we lose sight of the end goal—where we’re headed with our persuasion. But Johnson knew that vision and purpose are foundational to persuasion.



With a vision in mind, Johnson would master the details. In Johnson’s case this applied both to the facts of the case and the process needed to drive change. He’d immerse himself in the facts of a situation—reading hundreds of pages on a topic and speaking to everyone he could about it—so that he could make the most persuasive case possible. Then he’d obsess over the process of making the change. He knew the rules of government, the personalities and motivations of public officials, and the flow of the legislative process better than anyone. This mastery of detail was a hallmark of Johnson’s effectiveness.

He also knew to identify and mobilize the right people. Making the right arguments isn’t enough to persuade. Realizing he needed Republicans, he partnered closely with Senate minority leader Everett Dirksen, appealing to him to honor the heritage of his home state of Illinois as the “land of Lincoln.” And he worked closely with Dr. King and other civil rights leaders. Johnson knew that persuasion takes the work of multiple constituencies and always thought carefully of whose influence to employ.

Perhaps the most defining element of President Johnson’s persuasion was the Johnson Treatment itself—he was willing to push people. For better or worse, he would harangue, threaten, flatter and bully.

Finally, he would make it personal. As recorded in Indomitable Will, Leon Jaworski wrote of Johnson, “This man makes the most persuasive talk to a small group of anyone I have ever known.” And at the LBJ Library in Austin, Tom Johnson, highlighted his interpersonal persuasiveness noting, “[H]is ability to talk one-on-one. It was miraculous to see what he could achieve in that context.” He loved the telephone—as evidenced by the remarkable archive of his telephone conversations—and at his “Texas White House” ranch outside of Austin, he had 72 phone lines installed for use. Johnson also took to understand each person he was dealing with—their pressures, values, personality traits and motivations—so that his message and technique were tailored to them. In the digital age, Johnson’s person-to-person approach may be even more powerful because it is so rare.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/johncoleman/2018/07/30/the-johnson-treatment-pushing-and-persuading-like-lbj/?sh=51de4ea44201




Raven123

(4,597 posts)
32. Interesting read
Thu Jul 7, 2022, 06:03 AM
Jul 2022

Joe is no LBJ. Just not the same kind of personality. It has been almost 50 years since LBJ was president. The environment is not the same. What power does Joe have? Who is he going to persuade? The GOP has gotten everything they want by obstruction and just darned luck. The rules of the Congress (especially the Senate) have changed. Though I think Joe was the right person to get us through Covid, I think he and his team are fighting the “last war” so to speak. I do hope they can turn it around. He was in Ohio yesterday. Hope he took time to look carefully at Tim Ryan’s campaign. He’s running some good ads. He may not win, but definitely the right candidate for the time.

Dems have great communicators IMO, but they are not in leadership positions and are not deployed properly. For example, Klobuchar is strong on antitrust. Sanders and Warren are strong on medical and health. Porter is strong on the economy, Whitehouse is strong on dark money and SCOTUS. I wish they would be deployed to those areas where their strengths could make a difference.

Brainfodder

(6,411 posts)
23. Dems falling for media propaganda too, just thankfully in smaller amounts?
Wed Jul 6, 2022, 03:18 PM
Jul 2022

This is per the sub 40% approval rating?

MATH...

I give it 0 space in my head, I've cut my "NEWS" time down a lot and feeling generically better, less angry in general.

Here is my very concise letter to the President:

Dear Mr. President, it is now time to accuse and prosecute every last Republican member of congress of corruption.

Sincerely,

A Susan Collins level concerned citizen.

[All this to crap on Susan Collins? correct! +]



I am never going to be politically stupid enough to fall for this tripe.

Helps I got a degree in the area, to be fair! muhaha!

samsingh

(17,512 posts)
25. Roe is overturned. Voting rights are disappearing. Black men are being murdered. The SCOTUS is
Wed Jul 6, 2022, 03:28 PM
Jul 2022

a fascist right wing organisation.

if we lost the house or the senate, funding will be restricted. And if we lose the next election, Democracy is in danger.

Initech

(99,754 posts)
28. Trump left Biden with a raging out of control dumpster fire.
Wed Jul 6, 2022, 03:33 PM
Jul 2022

Joe's doing his best to clean up that mess plus he's also had to clean up the tail end of COVID. So with that I say he's doing the best job he possibly can given the situation!

Roisin Ni Fiachra

(2,574 posts)
34. Manchin and Sinema are deliberately sinking our President and our party.
Thu Jul 7, 2022, 08:14 AM
Jul 2022

Any argument that they are maintaining the filibuster due to their dearly held beliefs and principles is absurd. There's simply too much at stake.

More than a year ago I emailed Sinema with my concerns, citing the fact that she was destroying democracy, the Democratic party, and President Biden's agenda, and popularity, by refusing to kill the filibuster.

Her reply was a long drawn out hot steaming mess of condescending bullshit.

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