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Should the Presidential Pardon have some limits? (Original Post) milestogo Jun 2022 OP
Yes. OLDMDDEM Jun 2022 #1
It Should, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2022 #2
Susan McDougal? Don Siegelman? Effete Snob Jun 2022 #8
phrased as such, i think this is way too broad. unblock Jun 2022 #10
There are some. Applies only to federal crimes that have already Hortensis Jun 2022 #3
Yes! tblue37 Jun 2022 #4
So many of these MAGATs saw it as a "Get out of Jail Free" card. milestogo Jun 2022 #5
Yes, but the Constitution doesn't mention any, so it's difficult... Wounded Bear Jun 2022 #6
probably no. problem is, there's a tricky trade-off between pardon abuse and prosecutorial abuse. unblock Jun 2022 #7
In addition Novara Jun 2022 #9

The Magistrate

(95,252 posts)
2. It Should, Sir
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 01:51 PM
Jun 2022

There should be no eligibility for:

Persons who have worked on campaigns for the President or the party on whose platform the President ran.

Persons who have donated funds to the President or party on whose platform the President ran.

Persons who have any business connection with the President or the President's family.

Persons whose crime has in any way benefited the President or party on whose platform the President ran.

Persons who have not yet been convicted of a crime the pardon will erase.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
8. Susan McDougal? Don Siegelman?
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 02:13 PM
Jun 2022

I have zero problem with that one.

I think you would want to refine that list a bit more to take into account prosecutions which were politically-motivated in the first place.

unblock

(52,306 posts)
10. phrased as such, i think this is way too broad.
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 02:18 PM
Jun 2022

i think what you're getting at is the the president shouldn't be able to pardon any such person of campaign-related or electoral crimes. i think it's a bit much to say that someone shouldn't be able to qualify for any pardon under any circumstance just because they did a little door-to-door for a candidate or sent in $25.

as for the last one, carter pardoned all draft dodgers, nearly all of them in advance of any prosecution, never mind conviction, and i think that was a wise use of the pardon power.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
3. There are some. Applies only to federal crimes that have already
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 01:55 PM
Jun 2022

been committed. Can't pardon future crimes not yet committed, as Attorney Eastman certainly wishes they could have been.

In usual practice under the pardon attorney office's regulations there're more complications that a president can get around by issuing preemptive pardons -- before charges filed, sentence served, etc. -- if he chose.

unblock

(52,306 posts)
7. probably no. problem is, there's a tricky trade-off between pardon abuse and prosecutorial abuse.
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 02:11 PM
Jun 2022

the founders created the pardon as a check against abusive prosecutors.

so, for the most part, any restriction of the pardon power opens the door for prosecutorial abuse.

just about the only restriction i can see working is that i think a pardon should not apply if it was corruptly granted, such as in return for a bribe.

Novara

(5,851 posts)
9. In addition
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 02:14 PM
Jun 2022

No pardons for others involved in the same goddamn crime you're accused of. Grrrrrrrrrrrr.

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