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LenaBaby61

(6,979 posts)
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 05:51 PM Jun 2022

Scoop: New CNN Boss Chris Licht Wants Staff to Stop Calling Trump's Election Claims 'The Big Lie'

WHAT liberal media?

We sure don't have one. We mostly only have a right and fascistic news media in Faux Noose.


New CNN president Chris Licht discouraged staff from using “the big lie” to refer to former President Donald Trump’s false claims about the 2020 election, Mediaite has learned.

On a Tuesday conference call with management and show executive producers, Licht was asked for his thoughts on “the big lie,” and said he preferred that staff avoid the term. He made clear this was a preference, not a mandate, but staffers have taken it as a clear directive from the new boss.He encouraged producers to instead use the terms “Trump election lie” or “election lies” in banners and graphics.

According to a source, Licht argued that using “the big lie” makes the mistake of adopting branding used by the Democratic Party, thereby weakening the objectivity of the network.

The term, which was first coined by Adolf Hitler and later used to describe Nazi propaganda efforts, was recently adopted by critics of Trump in response to his relentless promotion of the false claim he won the 2020 election.

The term has become ubiquitous on CNN. “Big lie” has been mentioned on the network 168 times this month, according to media monitoring service TVEyes.

“It’s worrisome that we’re being told how to talk about one of the worst things that ever happened to American democracy,” a CNN insider told Mediaite. “We have to call lies, lies, whether they’re small lies or big lies. Is there any lie bigger than that lie?”

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/scoop-new-cnn-boss-chris-licht-wants-staff-to-stop-calling-it-the-big-lie/
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Scoop: New CNN Boss Chris Licht Wants Staff to Stop Calling Trump's Election Claims 'The Big Lie' (Original Post) LenaBaby61 Jun 2022 OP
Really Chris? MontanaMama Jun 2022 #1
If only I knew how to put the picture MyOwnPeace Jun 2022 #18
Here 'tis... Totally Tunsie Jun 2022 #49
PERFECT!!!!!! MyOwnPeace Jun 2022 #59
hahahaaa LOVE it!!!! halobeam Jun 2022 #68
And yet they blithely repeat every catchphrase and slogan the Republican brand thinks up Walleye Jun 2022 #2
AH, but NOW we can CALL them on it. NO TAKING SIDES, remember, "NO big lie"? TigressDem Jun 2022 #12
Now I get it.. agingdem Jun 2022 #47
Yah, tRUMP tends to break a lot of things TigressDem Jun 2022 #48
hope the first time they say 'democrat' where 'democratic' should be used rurallib Jun 2022 #24
Good IDEA we can put up posts with the phone number and email for offender. TigressDem Jun 2022 #36
Trump Election Lie works for me Abnredleg Jun 2022 #3
I like it better. LisaM Jun 2022 #5
I agree, it's a good move as far as I'm concerned. Abolishinist Jun 2022 #26
Thought The Same ProfessorGAC Jun 2022 #32
Moi aussi. Mme. Defarge Jun 2022 #45
I am with you. Let's try it the blame where it belongs. bottomofthehill Jun 2022 #53
Right. It's actually better if it has more than one name. enough Jun 2022 #23
It puts the blame where it belongs, on tfg questionseverything Jun 2022 #50
I happen to agree.. msfiddlestix Jun 2022 #63
"Trump election lies"? Mike_in_LA Jun 2022 #4
I agree. That's much better. Trump Election Lie it is! Scrivener7 Jun 2022 #8
Thanks! Mike_in_LA Jun 2022 #15
'Bout time, dammit!!!! MyOwnPeace Jun 2022 #22
I like it. It's specific and to the point. sop Jun 2022 #44
I thought his guy would be good because he worked for Stephen Colbert kimbutgar Jun 2022 #6
No! He said he prefers it to be called "Trump election lie." That's good! Scrivener7 Jun 2022 #9
On further reflection it might be a better way to define the loser who can't admit they lost badly kimbutgar Jun 2022 #11
. Scrivener7 Jun 2022 #13
I like Trump election lie better Mz Pip Jun 2022 #40
I disagee, He's suggesting that Trump's name is directly tied to the lie. that's not Repuke msfiddlestix Jun 2022 #64
I like TEL too. Tomconroy Jun 2022 #7
ALTHOUGH if they call it the "tRUMP Election Lie" THAT works. Make him OWN it. TigressDem Jun 2022 #10
Now you funny too Chris. CentralMass Jun 2022 #14
Everybody funny ... (nt) Hugh_Lebowski Jun 2022 #25
We all done, Chris. We all done, CNN. Bye. dchill Jun 2022 #16
I have no problem with "Trump election lie". demmiblue Jun 2022 #17
It's HONEST nt TigressDem Jun 2022 #21
US media is a propaganda machine for the GOP. Irish_Dem Jun 2022 #19
Maybe. BUT NOW that they have waded into "NON-Partisan" phrasing, we can play whack a mole. TigressDem Jun 2022 #30
That's the way I see it also. Hillary Clinton is right, as usual. LenaBaby61 Jun 2022 #37
OOOH THIS is good... TigressDem Jun 2022 #41
"Big Lie" has a deeper meaning moondust Jun 2022 #20
A deeper meaning that is meaningless to most people Abnredleg Jun 2022 #27
Only if you 'get it', which most US denizens will not Hugh_Lebowski Jun 2022 #28
Nobody will "forget" BIG LIE but nailing it TO tRUMP IS better. TigressDem Jun 2022 #31
Absolutely NAZI. Kid Berwyn Jun 2022 #38
Of course he does. Kid Berwyn Jun 2022 #29
Trump "election lie/lies" is better on all fronts. Just A Box Of Rain Jun 2022 #33
But then how do we distinguish between 2020 and 2016? elias7 Jun 2022 #34
ROFL Well, maybe they will get him for THAT too! nt TigressDem Jun 2022 #39
As long as 'lie' is involved I am okay with it. Kingofalldems Jun 2022 #35
Some liberal media we have. How about "medium sized" lie or "muy grande" lie? Hassler Jun 2022 #42
He's advocating calling it "the Trump election lie." I don't get what people's problem Scrivener7 Jun 2022 #43
Great, but this isn't going to restore CNN's credibility for me. NCLefty Jun 2022 #46
Not hard to figure out this guy's political preference... brush Jun 2022 #51
Ok, then... Eyeball_Kid Jun 2022 #52
Trump election lie Deminpenn Jun 2022 #54
They need to call it "Chump's attempted coup" FakeNoose Jun 2022 #55
I have no problem branding Trump the lyingest liar to ever lie. ZonkerHarris Jun 2022 #56
I don't mind the re-branding as much as the reason behind it. Boomerproud Jun 2022 #57
Let's just settle on BlueIdaho Jun 2022 #58
What Hitler said about a "big lie" Tennessee Hillbilly Jun 2022 #60
CNN's new boss frogmarch Jun 2022 #61
In related news, the Holocast will be be called "Hitler's Holocast." LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jun 2022 #62
I am glad that I watch MSNBC LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2022 #65
You seem to be disparaging CNN over Abolishinist Jun 2022 #66
I have never been a fan of CNN LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2022 #67

MontanaMama

(23,368 posts)
1. Really Chris?
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 05:53 PM
Jun 2022

It was a big lie...that's the truth. Americans should be very alarmed...another truth. STFU.

MyOwnPeace

(16,955 posts)
18. If only I knew how to put the picture
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 06:09 PM
Jun 2022

of Lilly Tomlin on her giant rocking chair, sticking out her tongue and saying "And THAT'S the truth!"

TigressDem

(5,125 posts)
12. AH, but NOW we can CALL them on it. NO TAKING SIDES, remember, "NO big lie"?
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 06:05 PM
Jun 2022

UNLESS they are labeling them as "Repuke Talking Points" and comparing them to FACTS, of course.
(OK, THEY can say R, but you get the drift.)

agingdem

(7,875 posts)
47. Now I get it..
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 06:50 PM
Jun 2022

Licht says no more BREAKING NEWS banners..well, of course not, it's only breaking news when Trump burps, farts, and chugs a Diet Coke...right Chris???

TigressDem

(5,125 posts)
48. Yah, tRUMP tends to break a lot of things
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 06:54 PM
Jun 2022

Elephant with 3 right feet in a China shop, going in circles and falling for no apparent reason all day long.

rurallib

(62,483 posts)
24. hope the first time they say 'democrat' where 'democratic' should be used
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 06:12 PM
Jun 2022

their switchboard lights up like the proverbial Christmas tree

TigressDem

(5,125 posts)
36. Good IDEA we can put up posts with the phone number and email for offender.
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 06:25 PM
Jun 2022

So whichever program it's on, the news person who said it, gets and email to REMIND them YOU ARE NOT A PARTISAN NEWS AGENCY, Remember, "NO BIG LIE"?

Then call the switchboard and say, "EXCUSE ME, NO BIG LIE, NO using Democrat instead of Democratic. Have some manners and show some class." OR ARE YOU ONLY NON-PARTISAN against DEMs?

He has set them up to HAVE to REALLY be NON-PARTISAN.

There are MORE of US and WE can be as LOUD as we need to be.

Ya' think?

Abnredleg

(671 posts)
3. Trump Election Lie works for me
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 05:56 PM
Jun 2022

I’m not going to get too worked up over this as long as they keep emphasizing the fact that is indeed a lie.

LisaM

(27,863 posts)
5. I like it better.
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 05:58 PM
Jun 2022

I think "The Big Lie" sounds generic and packs little clout. It obviously hasn't been effective with the middle, who are just blathering about gas prices.

This may actually end up being a good thing.

Abolishinist

(1,331 posts)
26. I agree, it's a good move as far as I'm concerned.
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 06:14 PM
Jun 2022

As you say, 'the big lie' does sound generic... but when you add the former's name to 'election lie' it is quite specific.

ProfessorGAC

(65,428 posts)
32. Thought The Same
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 06:21 PM
Jun 2022

As long as they call them lies, and they typically connect them to the orange idiot, i like it better.

enough

(13,270 posts)
23. Right. It's actually better if it has more than one name.
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 06:10 PM
Jun 2022

A tag phrase looses it’s power if used too much.

msfiddlestix

(7,289 posts)
63. I happen to agree..
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 09:59 PM
Jun 2022

I like that Licht suggested that "Breaking News" is overused (politely stating the obvious) to stop using it

and Trumps Election Lies works for me It's exactly what it is. Yeah it's big, about par as far as I'm concerned about as big a lie as Weapons of Mass Destruction as a pretext for an illegal and groundless war on Iraq. That went on for 18 years and provably still counting for all I know.

Yeah this was equally as much as a big lie as the reasons for the war in Iraq. I know that the direct impact on us makes it seem more devastating, and certainly was and still is.

But I digress. I agree with your comments.

sop

(10,300 posts)
44. I like it. It's specific and to the point.
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 06:41 PM
Jun 2022

Trump has told so many big lies, it was getting confusing.

Scrivener7

(51,090 posts)
9. No! He said he prefers it to be called "Trump election lie." That's good!
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 06:01 PM
Jun 2022

It also really IS better journalism. The Big Lie doesn't actually tell us anything. The Trump election lie does.

Mz Pip

(27,462 posts)
40. I like Trump election lie better
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 06:28 PM
Jun 2022

It’s clearer, more specific.

The Big Lie could easily be misinterpreted to mean the lie that Biden won.

msfiddlestix

(7,289 posts)
64. I disagee, He's suggesting that Trump's name is directly tied to the lie. that's not Repuke
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 10:05 PM
Jun 2022

That's a statement of fact. And we should be in support of it. imo.

TigressDem

(5,125 posts)
10. ALTHOUGH if they call it the "tRUMP Election Lie" THAT works. Make him OWN it.
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 06:02 PM
Jun 2022

BECAUSE NOW that the Jan 6 Committee is digging deeper, it's OBVIOUS to everyone, EVEN the MEDIA that tRUMP knew all along.

CNN might be trying to appear to not "side with DEMs" but it could STILL work in our favor.



HEY, Chris Licht, WE ARE GOING TO HOLD YOU TO THIS PART:


“We are truth-tellers, focused on informing, not alarming our viewers.”



IF they are doing this to be MORE FOURTH ESTATE and LESS about sensationalizing the news, then it might be a good thing.


Anyone know what "Morning Joe" on MSNBC was like?

TigressDem

(5,125 posts)
30. Maybe. BUT NOW that they have waded into "NON-Partisan" phrasing, we can play whack a mole.
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 06:16 PM
Jun 2022

Whenever they start spouting Repuke talking points, without the proper label and comparing them to the FACTS....

WE CAN SAY, "WAIT, you said, 'NO PARTISAN PHRASING' remember 'NO BIG LIE'?

SO are you ONLY NON=Partisan AGAINST DEMS?"

Because THAT sounds downright UN-American

Be honest now, Chris Licht.

Are you producing NEWS or Propaganda?

Viewers want to know.

LenaBaby61

(6,979 posts)
37. That's the way I see it also. Hillary Clinton is right, as usual.
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 06:25 PM
Jun 2022
Hillary Clinton Slams Mainstream Media As Too Reluctant to ‘Call a Lie a Lie’ and Take on the Battle ‘Between Democracy and Authoritarianism’


https://www.mediaite.com/politics/hillary-clinton-slams-mainstream-media-as-too-reluctant-to-call-a-lie-a-lie-and-take-on-the-battle-between-democracy-and-authoritarianism/

moondust

(20,028 posts)
20. "Big Lie" has a deeper meaning
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 06:10 PM
Jun 2022

that helps remind viewers of how serious it can be. It's not just a simple falsehood but a strategy.

See: Goebbels.

Abnredleg

(671 posts)
27. A deeper meaning that is meaningless to most people
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 06:14 PM
Jun 2022

Americans don’t do history. Trump’s Election Lie is understandable.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
28. Only if you 'get it', which most US denizens will not
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 06:15 PM
Jun 2022

because the average person here knows jack about history, esp. the history of propaganda. Just sayin'.

TigressDem

(5,125 posts)
31. Nobody will "forget" BIG LIE but nailing it TO tRUMP IS better.
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 06:19 PM
Jun 2022

WE want him to be locked up and NEVER darken the doors of the White House EVER AGAIN.

Scrivener7

(51,090 posts)
43. He's advocating calling it "the Trump election lie." I don't get what people's problem
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 06:38 PM
Jun 2022

is with that.

NCLefty

(3,678 posts)
46. Great, but this isn't going to restore CNN's credibility for me.
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 06:46 PM
Jun 2022

I'll never forget all of the platforming of Rick Santorum and other vile, hateful righties that CNN did.

brush

(53,978 posts)
51. Not hard to figure out this guy's political preference...
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 06:58 PM
Jun 2022

from that directive. It's an example of "if it's not broken, don't fix it."

But Trump election lie works too.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,440 posts)
52. Ok, then...
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 07:09 PM
Jun 2022

How about:

The Monstrous Lie

The Election Lie

The Ubiquitous Lie

The Evil Lie

The Humongous Lie

The Soul-killing Lie

The nation-destroying lie.

… SO many choices.

FakeNoose

(32,917 posts)
55. They need to call it "Chump's attempted coup"
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 07:37 PM
Jun 2022

They can stop calling it the Big Lie if they want, but they can't stop calling Chump "the BIG LIAR."



Boomerproud

(7,986 posts)
57. I don't mind the re-branding as much as the reason behind it.
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 07:48 PM
Jun 2022

Can't tie ANYTHING to the Democrats right Chris? Wouldn't want to upset any RW now would we?

60. What Hitler said about a "big lie"
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 08:44 PM
Jun 2022

Quote from https://politicaldictionary.com/words/big-lie/

"In theory, people will more easily believe a big lie than a smaller one, because most people assume that there is evidence to support any statement of great magnitude.

The term was coined by Adolph Hitler in his autobiography, Mein Kampf. Hitler wrote that “the great masses of the people… will more easily fall victim to a big lie than to a small one.”

Hitler claimed that if propagandists repeated a big lie often enough, people would come to accept it."

62. In related news, the Holocast will be be called "Hitler's Holocast."
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 09:09 PM
Jun 2022

What's wrong about calling it "Trump's election lie" is that while it might have originated with him -- at the urging of Drunk Rudy, who told him to declare victory well before all the votes had been counted -- the statement is believed and repeated by the vast majority (~79%) of Republicans. To call it "Trump's election lie" suggests he is repeating only a single reason that caused him to lose, e.g., dead people voting. That's not the way it is.

In a January 2022 article in the Washington Post titled, "Do Republicans really believe Trump won the 2020 election? Our research suggests that they do," the following poll results were reported:


In a December UMass Poll, we asked those who said Biden’s presidential victory was illegitimate to select all the reasons they believed so from a list of conspiracy theories floated by those pushing the “big lie.” As you can see below, fully 83 percent say that “fraudulent ballots supporting Joe Biden were counted by election officials”; 81 percent that officials counted “absentee ballots from deceased people”; 76 percent tell us that “non-citizens and other ineligible voters were allowed to vote for Joe Biden”; 69 percent that the victory was illegitimate because “some states changed election rules in ways they should not have”; and 65 percent that election officials destroyed ballots supporting Trump.

"The big lie" is shorthand for a group of reasons which support the belief held by all but 21% of Republicans that the election was stolen and Trump is still president.

Historians will write that "the big lie" was used to attempt to overturn the 2020 election -- including the insurrection at the Capiitol -- as well as to justify all the draconian voter suppression bills that Republican state legislatures jammed through under the guise of "vote integrity." It is the foundation of the Republican plan to undo American democracy and replace it with an autocracy with themselves in perpetual power.

Joe Manchin will appear as a footnote describing his successful effort to block any attempts at voter protection.

Professing an unwavering belief in the big lie is a litmus test as to whether a Republican is a patriot and not a RINO.

Abolishinist

(1,331 posts)
66. You seem to be disparaging CNN over
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 01:19 AM
Jun 2022

this by 'choosing' MSNBC over them. Why, what is your problem with CNN's decision?

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,968 posts)
67. I have never been a fan of CNN
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 01:43 AM
Jun 2022

The line up of legal experts on MSNBC is far superior to that Toobin idiot

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