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lees1975

(3,845 posts)
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 10:08 PM Jun 2022

So, Fellow Democrats, what do you think?

Where's this going from here?


50 votes, 2 passes | Time left: Unlimited
Trump committed treason against the United States Government
10 (20%)
Trump goes to prison for sedition
4 (8%)
Trump gets disqualified from ever running for office again
15 (30%)
Nothing will happen to Trump
21 (42%)
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So, Fellow Democrats, what do you think? (Original Post) lees1975 Jun 2022 OP
Other H2O Man Jun 2022 #1
He didn't commit treason Novara Jun 2022 #2
But... lees1975 Jun 2022 #4
That sorta depends on who was pushing him to do it relayerbob Jun 2022 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2022 #10
Ddin't a Court order the report to be made available to DEM Congress folks? WarGamer Jun 2022 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2022 #15
Yeah DEMS have already seen it. WarGamer Jun 2022 #19
He can't be prosecuted with anything in that. It's too late. gldstwmn Jun 2022 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2022 #26
read the definitions of treason vs sedition: Novara Jun 2022 #20
Read my answer again. relayerbob Jun 2022 #21
Aligns with a foreign enemy??? lees1975 Jun 2022 #23
We don't know what information and help he gave and received from his dear friend Putin Autumn Jun 2022 #24
Trump chokes on a hambirder C_U_L8R Jun 2022 #3
i hate his guts and i wish he was .... gone to meet his maker (SATAN) Trueblue1968 Jun 2022 #11
Other. I vote for kacekwl Jun 2022 #5
Other. ms liberty Jun 2022 #6
Other. nt babylonsister Jun 2022 #8
After seeing him fuck over thousands of people for 40 years, I'll just play a Todd Rundgren song. TheBlackAdder Jun 2022 #9
Trump directed white nationalists to attack the US Capitol. That is treason, onecaliberal Jun 2022 #12
That's my opinion Deuxcents Jun 2022 #17
The hearing was extremely powerful mvd Jun 2022 #14
K lees1975 Jun 2022 #16
Interesting... lees1975 Jun 2022 #18
Trump committed treason against the United States Government. Also, Autumn Jun 2022 #22

relayerbob

(6,544 posts)
7. That sorta depends on who was pushing him to do it
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 10:16 PM
Jun 2022

You can rest assurred that Putin had a role in this, somewhere along the line, and whether *we* think we are at war with russia, or not, we can rest assured they think they are at war with us... and have been for some time.

Pelosi on Trump: ‘With him, all roads lead to Putin’

Response to relayerbob (Reply #7)

WarGamer

(12,430 posts)
13. Ddin't a Court order the report to be made available to DEM Congress folks?
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 10:40 PM
Jun 2022

I think the DEMS have already seen it.

Response to WarGamer (Reply #13)

Response to gldstwmn (Reply #25)

Novara

(5,840 posts)
20. read the definitions of treason vs sedition:
Fri Jun 10, 2022, 06:52 AM
Jun 2022
The difference between these three terms can be broken down into simple explanations.

The act of plotting or conspiring constitutes sedition.

The act of treason occurs when action is taken, but direct action against the government is not the only way to commit treason. It is also treasonous to assist those who are taking action in any way, or to align with enemies of the government.

A person who is in any way involved with a group that in any way contributes to a group of people rising up to act against the government has committed insurrection.



https://examples.yourdictionary.com/what-is-sedition-comparing-it-treason-insurrection

What Is Sedition?

Sedition refers to conspiring with others to incite rebellion against lawful authority. Sedition, along with treason and insurrection, are addressed in the United States Code (115 U.SC. §§ 2381 – 2391). Under federal law, sedition occurs when two or more persons conspire to commit certain actions against the United States (U.S.) government. The conspiracy to commit such acts is sedition, whether or not the actions are actually attempted or carried out.

conspiring to take down, overthrow or destroy by force the U.S. government

levying war against the U.S. government

opposing the authority of the U.S. government by force

hindering, delaying or preventing any U.S. law from being carried out

taking, seizing or possessing U.S. government property via force

Sedition can take place in any U.S. state or territory, as well as any other location under the jurisdiction of the U.S. (such as a military base). The punishment for sedition can include up to twenty years in prison and/or a fine. The amount of the fine is not specified in the code.


What Is Treason?

The concept of treason can be broadly interpreted as treachery, but it has a specific definition in federal law. Treason occurs when anyone who owes allegiance to the United States of America, such as a citizen or resident, commits certain acts against the U.S. government. There is actually a treason clause in the U.S. Constitution; it is the only crime specifically referenced within the Constitution.

levying war against the U.S.

aligning with enemies of the U.S.

providing assistance or comfort to enemies of the U.S. (within the country or in any other location)

The punishment for treason varies widely. People who commit treason can be put to death, put in prison (for a minimum of five years) and/or fined (at least $10,000). Those found guilty of treason are disqualified from holding any public office in the U.S.


Treason has traditionally been applied when the US is engaged in foreign wars or when someone aligns with a foreign enemy, not domestic. There is legal precedent for this.

The orange motherfucker is definitely guilty of sedition. Those who carried out the act are also guilty of sedition and MAY be guilty of treason as well, but the way the law has been interpreted in the past, since this is not war with a foreign enemy, treason may not apply. Historically, treason has been applied narrowly and involved foreign actors. I don't know how likely it is to break that precedent.

Autumn

(45,048 posts)
24. We don't know what information and help he gave and received from his dear friend Putin
Fri Jun 10, 2022, 10:23 PM
Jun 2022

He had something to hide, he wouldn't allow an American translator in the meeting. There was a reason for that. He used Putin's. So yeah I'm sticking with both. He committed treason and sedition.

TheBlackAdder

(28,183 posts)
9. After seeing him fuck over thousands of people for 40 years, I'll just play a Todd Rundgren song.
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 10:21 PM
Jun 2022

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lees1975

(3,845 posts)
18. Interesting...
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 10:52 PM
Jun 2022

The Oath Keepers and Proud Boys didn't go to the rally, they went to the Capitol to open the door. They also made the connection, very clearly in their testimony, that they were there because Trump told them to go there. Trump connected himself to their moves. That's a planned attack on the Capitol during a joint session of Congress. That meets the legal definition of treason, and that means his little inner circle, including himself, Eastman, Powell, Flynn, Giuliani, and Meadows, were conspirators to commit treason.

That's where I go.

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