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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThere are more millions of us than there are millions of them.
We basically want to be left alone to live our lives, raise our children and pursue happiness in our own way.
We do not want to be told who to love or which religious faith---if any---we should profess.
We understand that "AR 15s are sporting rifles" is a damned lie and that some among us truly believe that "might makes right".
We are willing to tolerate those who look, dress or worship differently than us as long as they do not seek to impose their differences on us.
We are willing to pay our taxes and make sacrifices for the good of our nation, but we want those burdens shared fairly with even the most wealthy and privileged among us.
We are neither extremely liberal nor extremely conservative, though that does not mean we are "moderates" or "centrists"..
We believe in honesty, responsibility, social justice---and love.
There are more of us than there are of them---and we should insist that OUR views be respected.
mucifer
(23,565 posts)Ferrets are Cool
(21,110 posts)Chainfire
(17,636 posts)Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)Nay
(12,051 posts)FakeNoose
(32,748 posts)I don't think so, other than a few instances. It's a strategy for the Repukes to rule us when they are the minority party.
mucifer
(23,565 posts)soldierant
(6,921 posts)several govermental practices are cited which each favor minoroti rule, and collectivelt make it virtually inevvitable -
gerrymanderng
campaign finance
the filibuster
the sebate
the electoral college
It's a wonder we have any democracy left at all as it is. They all need to go. I think the filibuster should be forst, since it neither in the Constitution nor in any laws anywhere.
Next, we need legislations to deal with campaign finance and gerrymandering - legislation with teeth.
Then I think the Electoral College - and I still believe the way to get rid of that is by getting enough states to join the National Popular Vote Copmpact. Eric Holder has been working on that, and it is close to covering enough electoral votes to go into effect. I don't think it can or could ever be adopted as an amendment untila nd unless the Compact has demonstrated its worth first, so I am all in on it. My state has passed it. Has yours?
Finally, we need to reform the Senate. I really don't have an answer to that one . However, IIRC 49 states have states Senates or the like (I think Montana is the only state which is unicameral? But don't quote me.) Don't most of them have ways of determining Senate districts that are more equitable than, say, two reps percounty? I know mine does. There has to be some guidance there.
The Electoral College and the Senate both being in the Constitution makes reforming both much more difficult. But not impossib;e.
TigressDem
(5,125 posts)The MORE we INSIST, the MORE they RESIST.
There is a good thread here that explains the warped rational behind it.
IF we could get our way by insisting, I agree. We have every right to do so.
I just think it's like dealing with a 3 year old budding engineer. He has toys that can kill and is not afraid to use them because he does not truly understand the meaning of life or death.
BUT if we found a way to make them see the NRA is USING them and only wants their money and doesn't care about THEIR kids... it might work.
Joinfortmill
(14,456 posts)TigressDem
(5,125 posts)kacekwl
(7,021 posts)until the majority of people vote. It's amazing that those who complain the most don't seem to vote because they claim politicians are all the same bullshit.
Thank you!
We do not vote like there are millions more of us. Nothing will change until the people vote.
Hieronymus Phact
(369 posts)They ALWAYS vote in all elections even for a amoral POS they don't like.
While everyone else needs to be FLUFFED, and catered to, and 'given a reason' to even bother paying attention.
Amishman
(5,559 posts)because you have a mass of conflicted, indifferent, or just plain disengaged people that are in neither camp.
It makes this - and most other political conversations - a lot more difficult.
TigressDem
(5,125 posts)Because there is a felon who used John Smith as an alias, bunch of fully legitimate John Smith voters are purged.
AND IF Rethugs had to wait 4+ hours in the hot sun to vote without even a drink of water being able to be offered without the good Samaritan going to jail, WOULD they even show up?
Butterflylady
(3,547 posts)It wasn't only democrats that voted for him, there were republicans that voted for him. We have to remember there are lots of anti-trump voters also. Those are the ones that will put us over the top in November. Enough of your doom and gloom already.
Lonestarblue
(10,064 posts)Trump is polarizing and if he is not on the ballot in 2024, the Republican-leaning independents and anti-Trumpers will just revert.
FoxNewsSucks
(10,435 posts)Right. Everyone can relax and go back to sleep. It'll all be OK.
Republicon fascists aren't scheming. They're not plotting. They haven't been putting things into place to seize and keep power despite being a minority.
We have nothing to worry about.
Yes, Biden won. I'd like to take a moment to remind everyone that DESPITE being SEVEN MILLION votes ahead of the Orange Anus, had a few tens of thousands of votes gone the other way in a handful of states, that Orange Anus would still be in the oval office despite LOSING by SEVEN MILLION votes. That's not "doom and gloom". That's reality and it needs to be dealt with.
NoMoreRepugs
(9,457 posts)PortTack
(32,793 posts)They do ..and it empowers them to continue.
The Ukrainian ppl would have already fallen had they taken the attitude that is displayed in these responses
shame on all of you!
Joinfortmill
(14,456 posts)Oneironaut
(5,524 posts)30% (at most) of the country is cementing a permanent position of power, like Putin. Americans badly want Fascism, or, dont care.
Americans are perfectly fine with, if not favorable to Fascism if it lets them feel powerful than those below them. Truth be told, the White, Straight, Cis, Middle Classs lives wont change that much, and, they know it. It doesnt matter to them who is in charge.
The rest of us, they cant leave alone. They want to kill us all, and they wont be happy until they do. This is their country, not ours, in their opinion. We are just hostile invaders to be dealt with, and, Fascism is the cure.
Im feeling doom approaching on the horizon. Talk me down. I feel like Biden is a bandaid over a failing system thats going to collapse into Authoritarianism, and, most of the country is so desensitized to violence, tribalism, and Fascist rhetoric that they dont care.
NoMoreRepugs
(9,457 posts)(a US education system 8th grade level at that) - with social media being at the center of so many of our fellow voters lives it's hard not to agree with your outlook.
Atticus
(15,124 posts)voters or counter-act the Trumpies and their corporate funders.
Hell, why even vote, right? The fascist thugs will just steal the election anyway!
Sadly, I feel I must label that SARCASM.
TigressDem
(5,125 posts)There are still MORE people who are generally NOT the elite rich or inbred poor and uneducated idjits obsessed with guns.
IF WE GET EVERYONE WHO CARES ABOUT LITTLE KIDS GETTING GUNNED DOWN IN BROAD DAYLIGHT TO VOTE, we win.
ChuckInMO
(8 posts)In dumbfuckistan where 80% voted for TFG they absolutely believe that it's the same everywhere. They believe they outnumber us and any suggestion otherwise is fake news. Rural America is lost in its own reality.
TigressDem
(5,125 posts)DumbFuckiStan
calimary
(81,466 posts)Dumbfuckistan.
BannonsLiver
(16,448 posts)And how they created a system that fosters minority rule.
TigressDem
(5,125 posts)The rules of order they put in place did never imagine a jerk like tRump overturning everything.
BACK then, a man's handshake was an honest bond.
If you signed something, doubly bound to honor your word.
Abolishinist
(1,305 posts)as long as I'm a part of the minority!
TigressDem
(5,125 posts)Biden had about 81.2 million votes, the most votes a candidate has won in US history
tRump had about 74.2 million.
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TigressDem
(5,125 posts)Let's make manchin and sinema irrelevant... or more irrelevant in terms of US needing their cooperation for anything.
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Caliman73
(11,744 posts)At very minimum, voting for politicians who will respect those views and put through legislation that supports your view.
The problem is that the "millions more" of us cannot be bothered to vote. The highest turnout in the last 60 years for voting was a mere 60% of eligible voters when Biden kicked Trump out of office.
The trick is convincing the apathetic and disaffected to come out to vote and get active in political life.
brooklynite
(94,727 posts)Hulk
(6,699 posts)...because they damn sure will.
This is a race for the soul of our democracy. Two years of that ass licker mcCarthy is about as bad as having to be represented in national government by mtg and that boebert-boob.
aggiesal
(8,923 posts)Sogo
(4,992 posts)The way we insist that OUR views are respected is by VOTING!!
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budkin
(6,714 posts)We need our own.
Beringia
(4,316 posts)calimary
(81,466 posts)Like a manifesto!