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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsLatest webcam shot of the Costa Concordia on her side in Giglio Harbor
WOW! Looks to be a total loss!!! SOLAS be damned!
on edit: pics from the BBC:
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)Mucho tugs.
That is rather a large hole in it side. For those not aware there is hardly any tide in the Med so they can't use that to help upright it.
More pics here http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2086527/Costa-Concordia-Massive-evacuation-underway-cruise-ship-starts-sinking-Italian-coast.html 160 foot gash is mentioned in that article.
Cooley Hurd
(26,877 posts)...scapping on the spot.
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)I think you're right. Other than that a whole of body filler etc.
Cooley Hurd
(26,877 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)The head body man's nickname is Jaime Bondo.
jakeXT
(10,575 posts)Cooley Hurd
(26,877 posts)They would have to plug every porthole, door and passageway on the underwater side of the ship. Modern Cruise ships have patio doors and balconies (each patio door would have to be plugged). I can't see how this can be salvaged other than scrapping on the spot.
jakeXT
(10,575 posts)to displace the water. Additionally maybe you could attach something inflatable to the side.
Didn't Myth Busters use ping pong balls to lift a sunken boat ?
Or the Island gets a new tourist attraction.
muriel_volestrangler
(102,062 posts)which lift it a little, and you let the water drain out a little, lift a little more, drain more, and so on. Eventually get something underneath, and attach floats either side.
Cooley Hurd
(26,877 posts)...but Costa Concordia is over 950 ft long.
An operation like that with a ship this size has succeeded before (see my post regarding SS Normandie), but not without a HUGE price tag for the operation. My guess is they'll partially scrap on spot (the upper decks, superstructure, funnel) and then partially right her and tow the rest away.
Cooley Hurd
(26,877 posts)When the USS Lafayette (formerly SS Normandie) caught fire and capsized at Pier 88 in NYC back in '42, one idea was to fill the hull with ping pong balls to right her. Ultimately, they cut off her entire superstructure, plugged every single hole (porthole, doors, ducts, etc) and, with the combination of the tide, cranes mounted on Pier 88 and the Normandie's inherent stability (the last being the most important factor in righting the ship), they we able to get her upright, but she was deemed a total loss and scrapped anyway.
malaise
(275,094 posts)trumad
(41,692 posts)JCMach1
(27,847 posts)Esse Quam Videri
(685 posts)When I went to bed last night the pictures I saw showed her listing 20-30 degrees max! How does something like this happen in an age with satellite GPS? I know for close in port maneuvering they use trained harbor pilots who know all the intricacies of the local waters. Any explanation yet?
jakeXT
(10,575 posts)Mr Latarche said that the ship was powered by a bank of six diesel-electric engines which effectively worked as an onboard power station designed to supply electricity to all parts of the vessel.
But like power stations on land, the engines are prone to electrical surges and troughs caused by harmonic interference.
Mr Latarche added: From the reports I have seen it seems there was an explosion followed by a blackout, which could have been caused by a power surge. There are various back-up systems in place on all ships but they may have failed also."
Mr Latarche said it was possible the cruise ship experienced the same problem that saw the Queen Mary 2 (QM2) lose power in September 2010 as she was approaching Barcelona.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/9015103/Cruise-disaster-what-could-have-caused-the-accident.html
bluedigger
(17,130 posts)But seriously, I hope the unaccounted for made it ashore safely. It is hard to believe that such a modern cruise ship could be run aground so easily. There must have been a major software failure combined with (caused by?) human error.
whistler162
(11,155 posts)It does remind me of a very old story/joke
A variation of it is
http://www.navy.mil/navydata/navy_legacy_hr.asp?id=174
"Believe it or not...this is the transcript of an actual radio conversation between a US naval ship and Canadian authorities off the coast of Newfoundland in October 1995. The Radio conversation was released by the Chief of Naval Operations on Oct. 10, 1995.
US Ship: Please divert your course 0.5 degrees to the south to avoid a collision.
CND reply: Recommend you divert your course 15 degrees to the South to avoid a collision.
US Ship: This is the Captain of a US Navy Ship. I say again, divert your course.
CND reply: No. I say again, you divert YOUR course!
US Ship: THIS IS THE AIRCRAFT CARRIER USS CORAL SEA*, WE ARE A LARGE WARSHIP OF THE US NAVY. DIVERT YOUR COURSE NOW!!
CND reply: This is a lighthouse. Your call. "
It will be interesting to know what led upto the ship hitting an island!
xocet
(3,917 posts)backscatter712
(26,355 posts)I'd say she's totaled.
Damn.
I'm betting they're gonna have to scrap her on the spot. She's gonna get turned into razor blades...
Esse Quam Videri
(685 posts)Just did a little research and found that the construction cost was 372 million pounds in 2006 dollars. They'll be able to get all the water out and rehab the interior for a lot less than that.
EX500rider
(11,218 posts)....that the stabilizer fwd of the hole wasn't ripped off, also strange that she listed on the opposite side form the gash.
Cooley Hurd
(26,877 posts)jakeXT
(10,575 posts)the ship sailed at least half a mile north, and the captain turned it around toward land, where it toppled.
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http://edition.cnn.com/2012/01/15/world/europe/italy-cruise-questions/index.html?c=&page=2
JVS
(61,935 posts)Response to JVS (Reply #24)
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tosh
(4,440 posts)Collision: Rocks embedded in the ruptured side of the Costa Concordia reveal the extent of the damage to the hull
Edited to add link: http://www.cruise-addicts.com/forums/content/costa-concordia-tragedy-pictures-ship-sinking-off-coast-titanic-like-scene-508/
Robb
(39,665 posts)That's an insane picture.
Iterate
(3,021 posts)I can't imagine they'll quickly write it off and scrap it, not a $700 million ship.
Stabilize it, pump out the hydrocarbons, plate the hull, pump out the water and re-float. A huge project in any case.
LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)Get a few guys out there with some Bondo and she'll be upright and sailing in no time! The Free Market can handle anything!