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I am approximately zero percent surprised by the draft opinion overturning Roe v. Wade, authored by Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito, that was leaked to Politico.
Not only am I unsurprisedI predicted it, several times, in this publication. And not just me, of course, but everyone in my profession. Overturning Roe is in the Republican Partys platform. It was the primary criterion that the Federalist Society, funded by religious extremists, used to pick Supreme Court justices for Donald Trump. Together with desegregation, it propelled the Religious Right to get into politics 50 years ago, and vote for Republicans ever since.
So, yes, we all told you this was inevitable. And now it is here.
But youby which I mean the large majority of voters who say that women have a right to control their own bodiesdidnt listen. The Supreme Court ranked at the bottom of Democrats concerns in 2016, while it was at the top of Republicans. Even after the unprecedented and norm-shattering mistreatment of judicial nominee Merrick Garland, many centrist voters didnt care and some left-wing voters didnt think it was enough to stomach voting for Hillary Clinton.
So we got Justices Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and Barrett, and now, if this draft becomes the majority opinion, weve got the end of Roe v. Wade.
But thats only the beginning of the end. If the reasoning of the draft becomes the majority opinionand it is worth stressing that this is by no means assured, since it is a draft and may well be watered down by other justicesthen it applies equally to Obergefell v. Hodges, which held that all marriages (including my same-sex one) are protected by the Constitution; to Lawrence v. Texas, which held that all intimate sexual activity (including same-sex) was too; and to Griswold v. Connecticut, which held that the right to access contraception is as well.
All those cases held that certain specific rights to bodily integrity and privacy, though unmentioned in the Constitution, are implicit in the broad guarantees of the 14th Amendment, as long as they were part of the concept of ordered liberty. Its not part of the concept of liberty to police a womans uterus or a gay mans bedroom. There are limits to government power, and no process can be due process if it transgresses those limits.
But in so-called Originalism, a once-fringe legal theory that is now the gospel of half the Supreme Court, a right must also be part of the Nations history and traditions to be protected. Sorry, women and gays, youre not part of our white-male-dominated history and traditions, so the constitution doesnt protect you.
To be clear, Justice Alito didnt leave this to speculation. He specifically mentioned Obergefell and Lawrence as examples of the same faulty reasoning behind Roe.
More: https://www.thedailybeast.com/we-told-you-that-the-supreme-court-was-coming-to-kill-roe-v-wade-and-more-but-you-didnt-listen
lapfog_1
(29,205 posts)THEN gay marriage... and more.
DURHAM D
(32,610 posts)herding cats
(19,565 posts)The Maine GOP just adopted a platform opposing it last week and then there's the inordinate about of time Cronyn spent during Ketanji Brown Jacksons confirmation attacking Obergefell V. Hodges.
This is pure red meat for their base and they already have the gravy simmering.
LonePirate
(13,425 posts)The forced birth contingent in red states will be looking for their next target and contraception is probably the biggest one out there. Then again, the anti-gay fervor of bigots like DeSantis may be enough to propel a decision that strikes down Obergefell. Place your bets.
kelly1mm
(4,733 posts)lapfog_1
(29,205 posts)because they don't legally support everything we support.
Oh, how is gay marriage doing in Russia?
msongs
(67,420 posts)DBoon
(22,369 posts)herding cats
(19,565 posts)herding cats
(19,565 posts)However, Alito's opinion states, "the Constitution makes no reference to abortion, and no such right is implicitly protected by any constitutional provision." He goes on to state, abortion was entirely unknown in American law until the latter part of the 20th century.
They're coming for it next. Watch and see.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... bigger words
beaglelover
(3,486 posts)USSC decision on abortion is handed down. Last I heard, they expect SSM to be overturned in 2024 by the USSC. That will be the final straw for me in the USA. Will take my retirement funds and move to Spain and give up my US citizenship. Fuck the USA.
Behind the Aegis
(53,959 posts)But don't get too discouraged when few show any interest or concern or even try to gaslight you with "no, no, it is safe" or "no, no, it will be something else...gays aren't that important". Of course, the Republican "platform" for years has been "Gawd! GAYS! and Guns!" Some seem to forget that middle word unless we can be used to bludgeon the right.
herding cats
(19,565 posts)I'm confident LGBTQ rights are next on the chopping block. They've been laying the groundwork for the past few years and they need another chunk of red meat for their base to chew on. As I said above, they already have the gravy simmering.
Behind the Aegis
(53,959 posts)Soon it will be a return to "pink sparkle ponies" and "magic wands being waved".
LeftInTX
(25,378 posts)onenote
(42,714 posts)The draft opinion is an abomination and no one can be certain what cases will come before the Court in the future and how they will be decided. But the two times Alito's draft mentions Obergefell are not as examples of "the same faulty reasoning behind Roe." To the contrary, the opinion expressly distinguishes Obergefell (and Loving and Griswold etc) from Roe and Casey. Which makes it harder (but not impossible) to rely on this case in overturning those decisions.
Here are the two places it mentions Obergefell:
"Nor does the right to have an abortion have a sound basis in precedent. Casey relied on cases involving the right to marry a person ofa different race, Loving v. Virginia, 388 U.S. 1(1967); the right to marry while in prison, Turnerv. Saftey, 482 U. S. 78 (1987); the right to obtain contracep- tives, Griswold v. Connecticut, 381 U.S. 479 (1965), Eisen- stadt v. Baird, 405 U. S. 438 (1972), Carey v. Population Services International, 431 U. S. 678 (1977); the righttore- side with relatives, Moore v. Fast Cleveland, 431 U. S. 494 1977); the right to make decisions about the education of one's children, Pierce v. Society of Sisters, 268 U. S. 510 (1925), Meyerv. Nebraska, 262 U. S. 390 (1925); the right not to be sterilized without consent, Skinner v. Oklahoma ex rel. Williamson, 316 U. S. 535 (1942); and the right in certain circumstances not to undergo involuntary surgery, forced administration of drugs, or other substantially similar procedures, Winston v. Lee, 470 U. S. 753 (1985), Washington. Harper, 494 U. S. 210 (1990), Rochin.v. California, 342 U. S. 165 (1952). Respondents and the Solicitor General also rely on post-Casey decisions like Lawrence v.These attempts to justify abortion through appeals to a broader right to autonomy and to define one's concept of existence prove too much. Casey, 505 U. S., at 851. Those criteria, at a high level of generality, could license fundamental rights to illicit drug use, prostitution, and the like. See Compassion in Dying v. Washington, 85 F.3d 1140, 1444 (CA9 1996) (O'Scannlain, J., dissenting from denial of rehearing en banc). None ofthese rights has any claim to being deeply rooted in history. Id., at 1440, 1445. What sharply distinguishes the abortion right from the rights recognized in the cases on which Roe and Casey rely is something that both those decisions acknowledged: Abortion destroys what those decisions call potential life and what the law at issue in this case regards as the life of an unborn human being. See Roe, 410 U. S., at 159 (abortion is inherently different" ; Casey, 505 U.S. at 852 (abortion is a unique act). None ofthe other decisions cited by Roe and Casey involved the critical moral question posed by abortion. They are therefore inapposite. They do not support the right to obtain an abortion, and by the same token, our conclusion that the Constitution does not confer such a right does not undermine them in anyway. "
"Unable to show concrete reliance on Roe and Casey themselves, the Solicitor General suggests that overruling those decisions would threaten the Court's precedents holding. that the Due Process Clause protects other rights. Brief for United States as Amicus Curiae 26 (citing Obergefell v. Hodges, 576 U. 8. 644 (2015); Lawrence v. Texas, 539 U. S. 558 (2008); Griswold v. Connecticut, 381 U. S. 479 (1965)). That is not correct for reasons we have already discussed. As even the Casey plurality recognized, [aJbortion is a unique act because it terminates life or potential life. 505 U.S, at 852; see also Roe, 410 U. 8., at 159 (abortion is inherently different from marital intimacy, marriage, or procreation). And to ensure that our decision is not misunderstood or mischaracterized, we emphasize that our de- cision concerns the constitutional right to abortion and no other right. Nothing in this opinion should be understood to cast doubt on precedents that do not concern abortion."
beaglelover
(3,486 posts)herding cats
(19,565 posts)Supreme Court Justices Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito issued a broadside against the high court's 2015 same-sex marriage decision on Monday when the court declined to hear a case brought by a former Kentucky county clerk who refused to issue a marriage license for such couples.
The two justices agreed with the decision not to hear the case but used the occasion to take a legal baseball bat to the court's 2015 decision Obergefell v. Hodges, which declared that same-sex couples have a constitutional right to marry under the 14th Amendment guarantee to equal protection of the law.
Writing for himself and Alito, Thomas said that the court's decision "enables courts and governments to brand religious adherents who believe that marriage is between one man and one woman as bigots, making their religious liberty concerns that much easier to dismiss."
His words came in a case brought by Kim Davis, a former county clerk in Kentucky, who in the aftermath of the same-sex marriage decision refused to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples and was sued.
"Davis may have been one of the first victims of this court's cavalier treatment of religion in its Obergefell decision," Thomas and Alito wrote. But they agreed that the court properly decided not to take up Davis' case because, they said, it does not "cleanly" present the issues in the court's 5-4 decision five years ago.
Nevertheless, they said, the case "provides a stark reminder" of the consequences of the same-sex marriage decision. By choosing to endorse "a novel constitutional right over the religious liberty interests explicitly protected in the First Amendment, and by doing so undemocratically, the court has created a problem that only it can fix," they said. "Until then, Obergefell will continue to have ruinous consequences for religious liberty."
The fact that Thomas and Alito chose this moment to issue their blast provoked dismay in the LGBT community and elsewhere.
https://www.npr.org/2020/10/05/920416357/justices-thomas-alito-blast-supreme-court-decision-on-gay-marriage-rights
Which in light of this new court doesn't bode well for LGBTQ rights.
NowISeetheLight
(3,943 posts)Using this logic its ok to deny someone equal rights because you might be called a bigot and your feelings might be hurt. Of course its OK for you to call gay people faxxxt and qxxxr and such because its your freedom of religion. Marriage is a religious issue for some and a legal issue for others. If they want to eliminate all the legal benefits of marriage then fine. But denying things like inheritance rights, tax benefits, social security spousal benefits, etc, means its not equal. The Windsor decision made that very clear.
If your called a bigot its free speech.
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NowISeetheLight
(3,943 posts)If gay marriage is wrong because the 14th amendment only covers historical traditions perhaps they could point out where in the text of the 14th amendment it actually says that. Here theyre railing against invented rights by inventing a new rule for the 14th amendment that isnt anywhere in the Constitution.
Kablooie
(18,634 posts)They want to restore the morals and values of centuries ago.
Retrograde
(10,137 posts)Birth control will be next, IMHO, and anti-gay laws will be severely weakened.
Then there's all the legislation that came out of Brown v Board of Education: I fear someone is summarizing the arguments for "separate but equal" as I write this. Birthright citizenship is also one of the radical loons targets, although how they're going to attack an actual constitutional amendment is hazy.
Celerity
(43,413 posts)when/if you have a RW trifecta (Rethug POTUS, backed by a Rethug Congress, and RW SCOTUS) that chooses to nationalise the christofascist legal tyranny by passing laws such as outlawing abortion, LGBTQ rights, birth control, etc etc on a nationwide basis.
Then it will be 'shit or get off the loo' time.
The RW either send in the Feds into Blue States to force adherence (which always has been my theory of the case as to how the Union of the States dissolves, as the Blue states will, at that point, be under overwhelming pressure to secede in order to get out from under the whip hand of the crazed christofascist federal tyranny) OR the entire US Federal system of Constitutional governance will likely start to unwind in a different manner, as the Blue States (in this case rightly so) will very likely move into a stance of open defiance of the new national laws, and in this 2nd case of dissolution, nothing much becomes of it at first. I say at first, because if no real price is paid for the defiance, then the Red states will likely quickly follow suit, and start to openly defy national laws that THEY do not want. It will soon be chaos, which likely, tragically, turns into kinetic violence at a multiplicity of levels, both official and civilian.
At that point, the 2 massive unknowns are which way the US Armed forces will go, and then how will the major regional power players react, for instance, I would fully expect China to make moves like taking back Taiwan and shoring up overwhelming hegemonic control in its massive sphere of influence. I could also see a tremendous shitshow in the Middle East, as Israel and the major Sunni/Wahabi Islamic powers (especially the Saudis) may decide to end Iran as a threat once and for all. India/Pakistan would be another tremendous area of concern, with both nations all nuked up and ready to launch, just for added spiciness. NoKo and SoKo would also possibly be on the war buffet menu, and dog only knows what Russia would do.
Fun times for all the globe.
Wounded Bear
(58,670 posts)They'll probably focus group the hell out of issues to find their favorite to run up next.