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Pew Polling on abortion (Original Post) Brainstormy May 2022 OP
We will see about that in the midterms. JohnSJ May 2022 #1
+1 2naSalit May 2022 #2
Voting rights have been reduced and suppressed and gerrymandered . . .. Lovie777 May 2022 #4
We will indeed. Happy Hoosier May 2022 #10
HIPAA law bucolic_frolic May 2022 #3
An excellent point. Was that even brought up when they were hearing arguments? JohnSJ May 2022 #5
Having a right to privacy for medical care doesn't mean any and all medical procedures are legal. onenote May 2022 #6
Yes, it's no ones business what people choose to do to their bodies when of age. uponit7771 May 2022 #8
So you are opposed to any law regulating any medical procedure? onenote May 2022 #11
Of course not, legal medical procedures should occur and not be someone else's business ... uponit7771 May 2022 #12
That's not how it works LeftInTX May 2022 #14
Then at minimum congress should outlaw criminalizing abortion procedures. No matter what a uponit7771 May 2022 #15
Yes, congress would need to make a law LeftInTX May 2022 #16
" and contraception." this too, Alito's draft opinion throws a middle finger to the 14th amendment uponit7771 May 2022 #17
The right to privacy is under attack LetMyPeopleVote May 2022 #18
I believe politically they feel its time to go all in because... jcgoldie May 2022 #7
Only 13% of the respondents said ALL abortions should be outlawed spooky3 May 2022 #9
+1, Alito's opinion doesn't prohibit criminalizing abortion and that's his extra stupid. uponit7771 May 2022 #13
Agree nt spooky3 May 2022 #19

Lovie777

(12,808 posts)
4. Voting rights have been reduced and suppressed and gerrymandered . . ..
Tue May 3, 2022, 08:46 AM
May 2022

especially for the POC and those districts that are prone for Democrat's majority in red states.

But we will see, although per corporate media, President Biden numbers are ticking upward and same can be made for congressional Democrats.

Happy Hoosier

(7,635 posts)
10. We will indeed.
Tue May 3, 2022, 09:11 AM
May 2022

I think these numbers are accurate, but I think for a lot of pro-choice supposed "moderates," it's not an issue they vote on.

bucolic_frolic

(44,131 posts)
3. HIPAA law
Tue May 3, 2022, 08:44 AM
May 2022

How exactly does one go from an absolute right to privacy for medical care, which is about what HIPAA is because it puts huge fines on violations, from absolute privacy to outing abortions?

If we don't have a right to privacy on medical care of our own bodies, we don't have much.

onenote

(43,302 posts)
6. Having a right to privacy for medical care doesn't mean any and all medical procedures are legal.
Tue May 3, 2022, 09:03 AM
May 2022

Does the law banning female circumcision violate HIPAA?

uponit7771

(90,442 posts)
12. Of course not, legal medical procedures should occur and not be someone else's business ...
Tue May 3, 2022, 09:16 AM
May 2022

... and the right to privacy should cover that.

THIS ussc will strike down the right to privacy in ALL medical procedures too though seeing privacy rights were part of the foundation of RvW

LeftInTX

(26,319 posts)
14. That's not how it works
Tue May 3, 2022, 10:09 AM
May 2022

Outlawing abortion will punish providers, not women. Providers are still required to keep and provide statistics on procedures performed. They just can't provide the names of who they perform procedures on. Medical records are also audited all the time. About once a year the accreditation board would show up and go through records

Providers are required to report child abuse.

How is conversion therapy outlawed?

Each state has a medical practice act. Your license to practice hinges on following the Practice Act.

uponit7771

(90,442 posts)
15. Then at minimum congress should outlaw criminalizing abortion procedures. No matter what a
Tue May 3, 2022, 10:13 AM
May 2022

... states stand on the issue they can't put people in jail for anything related to it with consenting adults yada yada

LeftInTX

(26,319 posts)
16. Yes, congress would need to make a law
Tue May 3, 2022, 10:16 AM
May 2022

It would need to be specifically for reproductive procedures and contraception.

uponit7771

(90,442 posts)
17. " and contraception." this too, Alito's draft opinion throws a middle finger to the 14th amendment
Tue May 3, 2022, 10:17 AM
May 2022

... and leaves the door open to banning contraception too.

LetMyPeopleVote

(147,594 posts)
18. The right to privacy is under attack
Tue May 3, 2022, 10:28 AM
May 2022

This is the asshole who drafted the Texas abortion law. This asshole wants to strike down the implied right of privacy by getting Roe overruled which would/could lead to striking down the right to same sex marriage. interracial marriage, gay sex and other rights

There is a pattern here. These assholes want to get rid of Griswold and undo the right of privacy. That would cause Lawrence v. Texas (consensual same sex intercourse), Cooling v. Virginia (inter-racial marriage), birth control and same sex marriage to be overturned.



https://www.comicsands.com/jonathan-mitchell-overturn-gay-marriage-2655065691.html
Though Mitchell's brief, also signed by his co-counsel Adam Mortara, dedicates much of its time to the Texas abortion law's defense, it also questions "lawless" pieces of legislation, namely the Lawrence v. Texas ruling, which decriminalized gay sex nationwide, and the Obergefell v. Hodges ruling, which legalized same-sex marriage.

Though the brief does not say reversing Roe v. Wade would threaten the same-sex marriage ruling, it does say that

""the news is not as good for those who hope to preserve the court-invented rights to homosexual behavior and same-sex marriage …
"These 'rights,' like the right to abortion from Roe, are judicial concoctions, and there is no other source of law that can be invoked to salvage their existence."

It goes on to add that while the Supreme Court should not necessarily overturn Lawrence and Obergefell, it should consider these two rulings as "lawless" as Roe v. Wade and, by extension, Planned Parenthood v. Casey.

"This is not to say that the Court should announce the overruling of Lawrence and Obergefell if it decides to overrule Roe and Casey in this case."
"But neither should the Court hesitate to write an opinion that leaves those decisions hanging by a thread. Lawrence and Obergefell, while far less hazardous to human life, are as lawless as Roe."







jcgoldie

(11,688 posts)
7. I believe politically they feel its time to go all in because...
Tue May 3, 2022, 09:07 AM
May 2022

They think inflation will carry them in the midterms moreso than overturning Roe or whatever criminal shit comes out about january 6th.

spooky3

(34,711 posts)
9. Only 13% of the respondents said ALL abortions should be outlawed
Tue May 3, 2022, 09:11 AM
May 2022

So SCOTUS intends to make an act illegal when only 13% of Americans agree.

I can think of no other example like this. Societies say things are crimes when there is strong consensus that they are immoral, do harm, shouldn’t be permitted, etc.

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