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Tue May 3, 2022, 12:32 AM

wanda4rafi (92 posts)

 

This SCOTUS decision will turn out to be a good thing.

I predict it will galvanize democratic, independents and many conservatives. Once people realize that congress has the power to pass laws that can insure a woman's right to choose it will make a huge difference in the elections.

I believe if the court tries to overturn gay marriage it will adversely effect the republicans as well.

Abortion is overwhelmingly supported by the American people and gay marriage is strongly supported in every poll. The court is to the right of most of the people in this country and it will end up costing the repugs.

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Reply This SCOTUS decision will turn out to be a good thing. (Original post)
 wanda4rafi May 2022 OP
LineReply Are you fucking kidding me?
 hamsterjill May 2022 #1
LineLineReply Because a federal law insuring a woman's right will invalidate state laws.
 wanda4rafi May 2022 #4
LineLineLineReply we had a series of court rulings
 qazplm135 May 2022 #7
LineLineLineLineReply If it is an election issue, and it will be forefront from here on
 wanda4rafi May 2022 #8
LineLineLineLineLineReply People always have a short memory
 qazplm135 May 2022 #12
LineLineLineReply All federal laws are subject to Judicial/SCOTUS review
 AllTooEasy May 2022 #16
LineReply Just to get clear, the silver lining does not make the dark cloud a good thing.
 unblock May 2022 #2
LineLineReply I agree with your phrasing.
 LisaM May 2022 #9
LineLineNew Reply Of course it doesn't, but most people don't realize that
 Hortensis May 2022 #31
LineReply I sure hope you're right, wanda4rafi! It depends largely on how many people turn out to vote...
 CaliforniaPeggy May 2022 #3
LineReply no it won't be a good thing
 qazplm135 May 2022 #5
LineLineReply If it codifies abortion rights and ends up helping secure a liberal court
 wanda4rafi May 2022 #10
LineLineLineReply I think
 qazplm135 May 2022 #13
LineLineLineLineReply I believe it's more when than if.
 wanda4rafi May 2022 #21
LineLineLineReply No, it won't be a good thing.
 ShazzieB May 2022 #15
LineLineLineLineReply OK, whatever.
 wanda4rafi May 2022 #22
LineReply Even if we got a Constitutional Amendment out of the reaction...
 summer_in_TX May 2022 #6
LineLineNew Reply A Constitutional Amendment
 RobinA May 2022 #33
LineLineLineNew Reply A constitutional amendment is not needed yet.
 summer_in_TX May 2022 #35
LineReply It may help galvanize votes
 AnyFunctioningAdult May 2022 #11
LineReply Totally agree.
 Joinfortmill May 2022 #14
LineReply Yeah, except for the women that will die from this.
 W_HAMILTON May 2022 #17
LineLineReply I simply stated how I felt this would turn out down the road. Chill the fuck out.
 wanda4rafi May 2022 #23
LineReply Excuse me for not celebrating our great victory.
 herding cats May 2022 #18
LineLineReply How many points have you and the poster below missed lately?
 wanda4rafi May 2022 #24
LineLineLineNew Reply This message was self-deleted by its author
 MrsCoffee May 2022 #28
LineLineLineLineNew Reply Please point out where I used insults. On the other hand, I've been attacked
 wanda4rafi May 2022 #30
LineLineLineLineLineNew Reply This message was self-deleted by its author
 MrsCoffee May 2022 #32
LineReply Kinda like TFG was such a great blessing for humanity...
 Thunderbeast May 2022 #19
LineReply I'm worried
 rownesheck May 2022 #20
LineReply Yea, down the road potentially. But, sell that silver lining nonsense..
 SKKY May 2022 #25
LineLineNew Reply Um, it will work out fine for me. I'm truly sorry about the young girl. But,
 wanda4rafi May 2022 #27
LineNew Reply nothing
 llashram May 2022 #26
LineLineNew Reply Refreshing that a few folks can look past their anger and comprehend the
 wanda4rafi May 2022 #29
LineLineLineNew Reply I Agree With You
 RobinA May 2022 #34

Response to wanda4rafi (Original post)

Tue May 3, 2022, 12:35 AM

Star Member hamsterjill (15,051 posts)

1. Are you fucking kidding me?

How is this going to be a good thing for red states like Texas? Please explain that one to me.

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Tue May 3, 2022, 12:38 AM

wanda4rafi (92 posts)

4. Because a federal law insuring a woman's right will invalidate state laws.

 

OK?

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Tue May 3, 2022, 12:46 AM

qazplm135 (7,426 posts)

7. we had a series of court rulings

that did that.

And once you make this about legislation, all you are doing is setting up for a yo yo effect as each party gains temporary control.

Voters have short memories and attention spans. Republicans won't be out of power for eternity.

The courts laying down the law was always preferred because that's much harder to overturn. As you can see it took them over 40 years to do it.

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Tue May 3, 2022, 12:51 AM

wanda4rafi (92 posts)

8. If it is an election issue, and it will be forefront from here on

 

it can be a huge advantage for dems in future elections. Some voters have short memories. I doubt women will on this issue.

Courts change as well, but in the meantime legislation is the answer.

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Tue May 3, 2022, 01:04 AM

qazplm135 (7,426 posts)

12. People always have a short memory

10 years from now we will be coaxing people to remember this day.

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Tue May 3, 2022, 03:25 AM

AllTooEasy (1,256 posts)

16. All federal laws are subject to Judicial/SCOTUS review


...and which way do you think this court will vote?

Sorry brother, but you need a civics lesson. This court can and probably will immediately strike down any pro-choice federal legislation before the ink is dry. Google the Line Item Veto Act under Clinton. It's called Judicial Activism, and that pendulum has swayed both ways. Repukes have learned "If you own the Courts, you truly make the laws".

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Tue May 3, 2022, 12:36 AM

Star Member unblock (51,395 posts)

2. Just to get clear, the silver lining does not make the dark cloud a good thing.

I agree with your point, but it's still a dark, dark cloud.

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Tue May 3, 2022, 12:53 AM

Star Member LisaM (27,231 posts)

9. I agree with your phrasing.

It's like Ukraine. In the long run, NATO likely be strengthened and Russia will be weaker but I am pretty sure most Ukrainians aren't thinking about that at the moment.

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Tue May 3, 2022, 10:58 AM

Star Member Hortensis (56,803 posts)

31. Of course it doesn't, but most people don't realize that

that dark, dark cloud is just the beginning. People can keep their rights now by simply voting to protect them, most by mail, but not enough are concerned. Once they allowed them to be taken away,... Katie needn't bother barring the door; in this era there'd be nowhere to hide.

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Tue May 3, 2022, 12:36 AM

Star Member CaliforniaPeggy (145,741 posts)

3. I sure hope you're right, wanda4rafi! It depends largely on how many people turn out to vote...

As well as how they vote.

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Tue May 3, 2022, 12:45 AM

qazplm135 (7,426 posts)

5. no it won't be a good thing

you are laying out POSSIBLE ways to mitigate it or POSSIBLE positive results coming from it, but that doesn't make a good thing.

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Tue May 3, 2022, 12:55 AM

wanda4rafi (92 posts)

10. If it codifies abortion rights and ends up helping secure a liberal court

 

it will definitely be a good thing. NOTHING is ever a sure thing, but this is the hottest of hot button issues and will remain so.

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Tue May 3, 2022, 01:04 AM

qazplm135 (7,426 posts)

13. I think

you make a lot of assumptions.

That "if" is carrying a huge load.

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Tue May 3, 2022, 10:32 AM

wanda4rafi (92 posts)

21. I believe it's more when than if.

 

But, we'll see.

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Tue May 3, 2022, 03:11 AM

Star Member ShazzieB (11,807 posts)

15. No, it won't be a good thing.

If what you described happens, the SCOTUS striking down Roe will still be a bad thing. If it turns out to be a bad thing that leads to some good things, that will be great. But no matter what happens, it'll still be a bad thing.

Depends on how you look at it, maybe.

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Tue May 3, 2022, 10:34 AM

wanda4rafi (92 posts)

22. OK, whatever.

 

I believe a bad thing that leads to good or great is a good thing in the end.

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Tue May 3, 2022, 12:45 AM

Star Member summer_in_TX (2,225 posts)

6. Even if we got a Constitutional Amendment out of the reaction...

We'd need 38 states to ratify. Right now 30 out of 50 states are dominated by a Republican Governor and Republican-majority legislature.

We are going to be in a decades-long struggle to overcome what SCOTUS does on Roe v. Wade.

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Tue May 3, 2022, 11:31 AM

RobinA (9,509 posts)

33. A Constitutional Amendment

is not what is needed here. It needs to be hammered out in the states. And yes, it will be ugly.

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Tue May 3, 2022, 12:50 PM

Star Member summer_in_TX (2,225 posts)

35. A constitutional amendment is not needed yet.

But if Republicans can control of Congress and the White House, and can expect them to enact a nationwide

so the struggle is ongoing to prevent that from happening.

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Tue May 3, 2022, 01:04 AM

AnyFunctioningAdult (187 posts)

11. It may help galvanize votes

For the midterms, but you still would have May-January at a minimum of the laws flying through red state legislatures. And even if the midterms produce the needed votes to pass national legislation, the states will sue and it will end up at SCOTUS again, likely with the same outcome. It sucks, but the long term goal has to be keeping the presidency in 2024 to prevent national legislation outlawing it and eventually Thomas is going to go one way or the other.

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Tue May 3, 2022, 01:33 AM

Star Member Joinfortmill (11,519 posts)

14. Totally agree.

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Tue May 3, 2022, 03:42 AM

Star Member W_HAMILTON (7,049 posts)

17. Yeah, except for the women that will die from this.

That sort of stupid ass accelerationist thinking is what led to this problem to begin with.

Funny how the "the good isn't good enough, we need perfect" crowd are also the same ones that are perfectly fine with absolute evil winning because they somehow think that will enable good to win later on rather than just enabling a lot of fucking evil things.

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Tue May 3, 2022, 10:41 AM

wanda4rafi (92 posts)

23. I simply stated how I felt this would turn out down the road. Chill the fuck out.

 

At least I've learned a new phrase "accelerationist thinking". Wow, I thought my days of accelerating were past me.

My life has been littered with bad things that happened, that in the long run turned out to be beneficial in some way. Your post is one of them.

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Tue May 3, 2022, 03:51 AM

Star Member herding cats (18,985 posts)

18. Excuse me for not celebrating our great victory.

Thomas has a decade left. How many women's lives will not be in their control and how many will die before that expires?

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Tue May 3, 2022, 10:42 AM

wanda4rafi (92 posts)

24. How many points have you and the poster below missed lately?

 

Cause this one blew right past you.

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Tue May 3, 2022, 10:55 AM

wanda4rafi (92 posts)

30. Please point out where I used insults. On the other hand, I've been attacked

 

merely for offering an opinion on how I felt this would turn out down the road.

There is nothing enjoyable about you and others ignoring "the point", but it is unfortunately, way too often, par for the course here.

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Tue May 3, 2022, 04:26 AM

Star Member Thunderbeast (2,960 posts)

19. Kinda like TFG was such a great blessing for humanity...

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Tue May 3, 2022, 08:20 AM

Star Member rownesheck (2,319 posts)

20. I'm worried

that a lot of people will see this as "abortion rights don't pertain to me cuz I'll never need one". That is until they or someone they love needs one. But, it'll be too late by then.

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Tue May 3, 2022, 10:45 AM

SKKY (11,208 posts)

25. Yea, down the road potentially. But, sell that silver lining nonsense..

....to the 12-year-old girl and her family who are now not only required to carry the baby she had as a result of rape but also have to now go to court because the father is demanding parental rights. Let me know how that works out for you.

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Tue May 3, 2022, 10:49 AM

wanda4rafi (92 posts)

27. Um, it will work out fine for me. I'm truly sorry about the young girl. But,

 

it does not in any way diminish my point. Anecdotal stories will never prove an ultimate truth wrong.

I'm not selling anything, merely offering a view.

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Tue May 3, 2022, 10:46 AM

Star Member llashram (5,953 posts)

26. nothing

offensive here. Truth is always true if not compromised by evil destructive human beings.

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Tue May 3, 2022, 10:51 AM

wanda4rafi (92 posts)

29. Refreshing that a few folks can look past their anger and comprehend the

 

big picture.

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Tue May 3, 2022, 11:37 AM

RobinA (9,509 posts)

34. I Agree With You

yes, it will get ugly.

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