This SCOTUS decision will turn out to be a good thing.

[wanda4rafi]

I predict it will galvanize democratic, independents and many conservatives. Once people realize that congress has the power to pass laws that can insure a woman's right to choose it will make a huge difference in the elections.

I believe if the court tries to overturn gay marriage it will adversely effect the republicans as well.

Abortion is overwhelmingly supported by the American people and gay marriage is strongly supported in every poll. The court is to the right of most of the people in this country and it will end up costing the repugs.

[hamsterjill]

1. Are you fucking kidding me?

How is this going to be a good thing for red states like Texas? Please explain that one to me.

[wanda4rafi]

4. Because a federal law insuring a woman's right will invalidate state laws.

OK?

[qazplm135]

7. we had a series of court rulings

that did that.

And once you make this about legislation, all you are doing is setting up for a yo yo effect as each party gains temporary control.

Voters have short memories and attention spans. Republicans won't be out of power for eternity.

The courts laying down the law was always preferred because that's much harder to overturn. As you can see it took them over 40 years to do it.

[wanda4rafi]

8. If it is an election issue, and it will be forefront from here on

it can be a huge advantage for dems in future elections. Some voters have short memories. I doubt women will on this issue.

Courts change as well, but in the meantime legislation is the answer.

[qazplm135]

12. People always have a short memory

10 years from now we will be coaxing people to remember this day.

[AllTooEasy]

16. All federal laws are subject to Judicial/SCOTUS review

...and which way do you think this court will vote?

Sorry brother, but you need a civics lesson. This court can and probably will immediately strike down any pro-choice federal legislation before the ink is dry. Google the Line Item Veto Act under Clinton. It's called Judicial Activism, and that pendulum has swayed both ways. Repukes have learned "If you own the Courts, you truly make the laws".

[unblock]

2. Just to get clear, the silver lining does not make the dark cloud a good thing.

I agree with your point, but it's still a dark, dark cloud.

[LisaM]

9. I agree with your phrasing.

It's like Ukraine. In the long run, NATO likely be strengthened and Russia will be weaker but I am pretty sure most Ukrainians aren't thinking about that at the moment.

[Hortensis]

31. Of course it doesn't, but most people don't realize that

that dark, dark cloud is just the beginning. People can keep their rights now by simply voting to protect them, most by mail, but not enough are concerned. Once they allowed them to be taken away,... Katie needn't bother barring the door; in this era there'd be nowhere to hide.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

3. I sure hope you're right, wanda4rafi! It depends largely on how many people turn out to vote...

As well as how they vote.

[qazplm135]

5. no it won't be a good thing

you are laying out POSSIBLE ways to mitigate it or POSSIBLE positive results coming from it, but that doesn't make a good thing.

[wanda4rafi]

10. If it codifies abortion rights and ends up helping secure a liberal court

it will definitely be a good thing. NOTHING is ever a sure thing, but this is the hottest of hot button issues and will remain so.

[qazplm135]

13. I think

you make a lot of assumptions.

That "if" is carrying a huge load.

[wanda4rafi]

21. I believe it's more when than if.

But, we'll see.

[ShazzieB]

15. No, it won't be a good thing.

If what you described happens, the SCOTUS striking down Roe will still be a bad thing. If it turns out to be a bad thing that leads to some good things, that will be great. But no matter what happens, it'll still be a bad thing.

Depends on how you look at it, maybe.

[wanda4rafi]

22. OK, whatever.

I believe a bad thing that leads to good or great is a good thing in the end.

[summer_in_TX]

6. Even if we got a Constitutional Amendment out of the reaction...

We'd need 38 states to ratify. Right now 30 out of 50 states are dominated by a Republican Governor and Republican-majority legislature.

We are going to be in a decades-long struggle to overcome what SCOTUS does on Roe v. Wade.

[RobinA]

33. A Constitutional Amendment

is not what is needed here. It needs to be hammered out in the states. And yes, it will be ugly.

[summer_in_TX]

35. A constitutional amendment is not needed yet.

But if Republicans can control of Congress and the White House, and can expect them to enact a nationwide

so the struggle is ongoing to prevent that from happening.

[AnyFunctioningAdult]

11. It may help galvanize votes

For the midterms, but you still would have May-January at a minimum of the laws flying through red state legislatures. And even if the midterms produce the needed votes to pass national legislation, the states will sue and it will end up at SCOTUS again, likely with the same outcome. It sucks, but the long term goal has to be keeping the presidency in 2024 to prevent national legislation outlawing it and eventually Thomas is going to go one way or the other.

[Joinfortmill]

14. Totally agree.

[W_HAMILTON]

17. Yeah, except for the women that will die from this.

That sort of stupid ass accelerationist thinking is what led to this problem to begin with.

Funny how the "the good isn't good enough, we need perfect" crowd are also the same ones that are perfectly fine with absolute evil winning because they somehow think that will enable good to win later on rather than just enabling a lot of fucking evil things.

[wanda4rafi]

23. I simply stated how I felt this would turn out down the road. Chill the fuck out.

At least I've learned a new phrase "accelerationist thinking". Wow, I thought my days of accelerating were past me.

My life has been littered with bad things that happened, that in the long run turned out to be beneficial in some way. Your post is one of them.

[herding cats]

18. Excuse me for not celebrating our great victory.

Thomas has a decade left. How many women's lives will not be in their control and how many will die before that expires?

[wanda4rafi]

24. How many points have you and the poster below missed lately?

Cause this one blew right past you.

[wanda4rafi]

30. Please point out where I used insults. On the other hand, I've been attacked

merely for offering an opinion on how I felt this would turn out down the road.

There is nothing enjoyable about you and others ignoring "the point", but it is unfortunately, way too often, par for the course here.

[Thunderbeast]

19. Kinda like TFG was such a great blessing for humanity...

[rownesheck]

20. I'm worried

that a lot of people will see this as "abortion rights don't pertain to me cuz I'll never need one". That is until they or someone they love needs one. But, it'll be too late by then.

[SKKY]

25. Yea, down the road potentially. But, sell that silver lining nonsense..

....to the 12-year-old girl and her family who are now not only required to carry the baby she had as a result of rape but also have to now go to court because the father is demanding parental rights. Let me know how that works out for you.

[wanda4rafi]

27. Um, it will work out fine for me. I'm truly sorry about the young girl. But,

it does not in any way diminish my point. Anecdotal stories will never prove an ultimate truth wrong.

I'm not selling anything, merely offering a view.

[llashram]

26. nothing

offensive here. Truth is always true if not compromised by evil destructive human beings.

[wanda4rafi]

29. Refreshing that a few folks can look past their anger and comprehend the

big picture.

[RobinA]

34. I Agree With You

yes, it will get ugly.