Scuttling the Russian Warship Moskva was a BFD

[speak easy]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/14/russia-says-warship-seriously-damaged-by-explosion-as-putin-builds-forces-in-east-ukraine

[Tomconroy]

1. The Russians are saying they're towing it. Just don't know.

[mitch96]

6. I think satellites images will show what's going on. The rescued crew might tell what happened.

Was it hit or just a fire.. Did it sink or being towed to port? questions questions questions...
Us armchair generals and admirals need to know what's going on!!!!
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[Tomconroy]

7. They certainly could have posted photos by now if it's still afloat.

It was hit near the coast of Rumania. A long vulnerable tow home.

[samsingh]

27. imagine how incompetent the russians are if their munitions blew up their own ship

that would be worse than a missile hitting it

[liberalla]

31. Yes, that's what I thought too... why admit incompetence in your own packing and storing

of volatile, ignitable ammunition?

[mn9driver]

32. It wouldn't be the first time.

The Kursk was one of Russia’s biggest and best when it blew up.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kursk_submarine_disaster

[Silent3]

2. Guess Putin will need to send in the oligarch yacht fleet

Make everyone sacrifice for his "cause".

[lagomorph777]

3. More big missiles, please. These warships ain't gonna fuck themselves.

They will need some Ukrainian help!

[gab13by13]

15. I don't believe Russia has very many ships.

[Angleae]

16. They have quite a few ships. However, most of them are in the arctic, pacific, or baltic.

I believe Turkey has closed the straights to get into the Black Sea, so Russia can't reinforce their fleet there. What's left of their surface fleet is 4-5 frigates (2 old soviet types & 2-3 new ones (a report last week says one was hit)), 3 corvettes, half dozen landing ships, and a bunch of patrol boats/minesweepers/etc.

[IronLionZion]

21. Much of the Russian Navy was sent to the Atlantic prior to the invasion

They have submarines lurking outside American and European cities.

[2naSalit]

4. Looks like it was also...

A major communications port. Glad it's out of service. I suspect we'll be seeing more of this in the coming days and weeks.

[Warpy]

10. I think so, now that the Ukrainians know their land to see missiles work so well.

I imagine Putin is blowing an epic, snot slinging fit.

[2naSalit]

11. I'm hoping for...

Spontaneous combustion but an aneurysm will do.

[Warpy]

13. Or heart attack or embolic stroke

I don't know if he's a smoker, but I sincerely hope so.

If the Kremlin is too wimpy to take him out, Mother Nature needs to side with the hidden flaws.

[magicarpet]

5. PutiePoop's naval flee is vulnerable to cheap anti ship missiles.

[SergeStorms]

8. Technically it was sunk.

Scuttling is done by one's own hand. Russia would have had to sink the Moskva themselves in order for it to have been scuttled.

You never know with Putin though. Rather than admitting Ukraine sunk the Cruiser he might say Russia sank it themselves to rid the ship of rats. Big, fat, Russian rats.

[lagomorph777]

17. Thanks, that's what I thought.

But no, I don't think Poo Tin sank it himself. He's an idiot but not that much of an idiot.

[getagrip_already]

25. Many ships were intentionally sunk by their own navies in wwii....

The us even did it to several. Once a ship is badly damaged and in danger of capture, it is usually scuttled once the living crew is off.

That's sop for navies.

But if it afloat, other Russian ships may have taken it in tow.

Have to wait for a clear day......

[praxEs]

9. Check in with DKOS for the best answer.

[Texin]

12. Why would Putin scuttle his flagship vessel?

Is it to protect war materiel and communications equipment from confiscation (and later use) by Ukraine?

[bluedigger]

28. Traditionally, you scuttle a ship to prevent it's capture and use against you.

That's probably more of an Age of Sail tactic, when a crew could could be put on and actually use an enemy ship. A vessel like the Moskva would require quite a bit of training for the crew, although smaller boats would still apply. You would still want to prevent intelligence collection on weapons systems, etc... if you could not ensure possession until possible recovery. As a flagship the Moskva would be carrying a ton of classified material. Other reasons for scuttling could be to prevent/create a navigational hazard, depending on the situation.

[BradBo]

14. Imagine what the cost of that ship was.

This country’s just as bad. More than enough money in our militaries to make this planet a better place.

[Angleae]

18. Cost probably not a high as you think considering it was built by the USSR.

[speak easy]

20. The cost is the replacement cost.

Most of the anti-ship hardware is last gen, but it will still need to be replaced/manufactured.

[sl8]

19. Do we know that it's been scuttled? n/t

[speak easy]

22. We have not seen any evidence that it is still afloat.

The Russians say all the crew got off safely. We will 'see' I guess.

[sl8]

26. OK, but why assume they scuttled it?

I've seen plenty of speculation that the ship was sunk, but this is the first suggestion I've seen that it was scuttled.

[speak easy]

29. I guess I am taking the Russians at their word - that the crew got off.

[sl8]

30. OK, thanks. n/t

[speak easy]

33. now confirmed sunk

... while in Russian 'care'

[sl8]

34. So I see. Thank you. n/t

[Buns_of_Fire]

23. One way or the other, it's sidelined and incapable of

causing any further mischief. That's a good thing.

[ashredux]

24. Pretty sure it had some stuff that would go "boom"