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HEADS UP DEMs: Hillary is the wrong messenger, but shes doing what Democrats must do immediately!
Many want the old guard to chill. But Hillary is on point here as she hits Republicans from a position of strength and not on the defensive.
[link:https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/2/20/2081374/-HEADS-UP-DEMs-Hillary-is-the-wrong-messenger-but-she-s-doing-what-Democrats-must-do-immediately|
betsuni
(25,560 posts)DURHAM D
(32,611 posts)Girl parts are just bad. Explains everything.
betsuni
(25,560 posts)Just 'cause. They are well trained.
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)Easier on our ears. I say in extreme snark.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Misogyny is not solely a weapon of the right.
Cha
(297,383 posts)to come on DU and Diss Hillary.
Most of us Respect her and get pissed at the Bullshit smeared about her.
BlueTsunami2018
(3,495 posts)Not just with Republicans but within the Democratic Party as well. She was the most qualified person to ever run for President and she still lost to the least qualified person to ever run. People simply don't like her and won't listen to anything she has to say.
Those of us who do like her already know what she's talking about.
I don't know who would be the right messenger would be.
Walleye
(31,032 posts)betsuni
(25,560 posts)Who doesn't like her? Why do you think Hillary "lost to the least qualified person"?
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)Response to LizBeth (Reply #22)
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LizBeth
(9,952 posts)pat on the back from me that you voted Democrat? Really?
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LizBeth
(9,952 posts)Response to LizBeth (Reply #30)
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LizBeth
(9,952 posts)Just as I do. On the same page.
AZProgressive
(29,322 posts)I apologize for any misunderstandings because I dont want one.
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)in the Wh took a HUGE hit. I will not forgive or forget.
iemanja
(53,037 posts)Like AOC and Sanders?
Budi
(15,325 posts)"We will tell you how to think" ~ joseph goebbels on propaganda & media manipulation
Who made the public believe she was "polarizing"?
Who told people "they simply don't like her
& not to listen to anything she has to say"?
Who burned that misbelief in the public mindset on a 24/7 loop from 2015 thru 2017 & thru this day?
Who?
Not the millions who supported her then & now.
She makes a statement today & the same polarizing words that re-created her public image then, are triggered into a psychotic frenzy throughout the entire MSM & Social Media circuit.
The intentional lie about her, to supress her rise, stops when people stop repeating the lie.
Who all played the game then & still rely on that lie today?
Stop it.
Cha
(297,383 posts)betsuni
(25,560 posts)Gore1FL
(21,134 posts)It doesn't matter if it is fair or not. It doesn't matter if it is sexist or not. HRC has been a target for 30 years. After a while, that takes effect.
She is an accomplished woman. She deserved to be president. She is wise. she is worth listening to. Unfortunately, a large portion of this country hates her and will not listen to her no matter what. Until that is resolved, and I have no notion of how that could be done, it is simply a reality we must accept.
Budi
(15,325 posts)mcar
(42,340 posts)A polarizing person is basically a divisive person who tends to split opinions.
HRC is not divisive. The same language was used to describe Pres. Obama. He, too, was not divisive.
It is, as always, Republicans who are divisive and the media happily blames the person they are attacking. Plus, they hate HRC because she had the nerve to be a strong, intelligent, successful woman.
dwayneb
(768 posts)There's a reason why Obama was elected twice and Hillary didn't get elected once. It's not that Hillary is "divisive". It's just that Obama is a more effective populist (remember hope and change?) than Hillary. Whether we like it or not, populists get elected in this country. Reagan, Bill Clinton, Obama and Trump are all examples.
mcar
(42,340 posts)They always said he was polarizing and divisive.
iemanja
(53,037 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)There is no other reason.
Gore1FL
(21,134 posts)While it is wrong an unfair for Clinton, it is a reality we must accept when messaging.
iemanja
(53,037 posts)Besides Manchin and Tulsi Gabbart? Do you want them to advance the Dem Party's interests? Or are you talking about turncoat Dems?
The irony of your bearing a screen name of another failed Presidential candidate while insisting that Hillary keep silent is noted.
Gore1FL
(21,134 posts)All I am saying is if I had a great radio and someone wrongly and maliciously broke the antennae, I wouldn't try to still sue the radio out of a sense of fairness.
iemanja
(53,037 posts)She is speaking her mind, and she's not going away. Deal with it.
Gore1FL
(21,134 posts)I just wish we had more voices and more effective voices saying what she is saying. I am not really sure why you are flipping out.
iemanja
(53,037 posts)women need to be silenced. That's why I'm "flipping out."
Gore1FL
(21,134 posts)I said that I wish people would join her (like the OP said) because she is, sadly, ineffective due to 30 year of maligning by the right.
Maybe read for understanding and not to simply snipe?
iemanja
(53,037 posts)the right wing's smear campaign and choose another messenger.
Gore1FL
(21,134 posts)Accepting reality is an important part of life. The reality is unfair and undeserved, but it is the reality we are facing.
iemanja
(53,037 posts)Gore1FL
(21,134 posts)Otherwise we wouldn't be looking at undoing 4 years of Trump.
We can turn the example radio with the broken antennae I mentioned earlier and turn the volume up to 10. Those listening won't hear the station we want them to.
betsuni
(25,560 posts)smears, in my opinion.
He says many "want the old guard to chill." But ... ." Her message is good "But it must come from a position of strength." A lot of buts. Hard to know exactly what he's trying to say. Following the standard media rule of never saying anything positive about Hillary without a "but" of some kind? The author's the type who uses "establishment" as an insult. What I hear is that he thinks Hillary is old guard Democratic establishment and that's why bad. Doubt he'd say that if President Obama said the same thing in a speech.
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)Response to BlueTsunami2018 (Reply #4)
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dwayneb
(768 posts)Regardless of how you feel about her, or how smart she is, or how many facts she brings to the discussion, the reality is that she lost to Donald Trump.
I can recall waaay back during her campaign she made the "basket of deplorables" statement that got the Trump Cult up in arms. At the time I thought the remark was an exaggeration, but of course since then we learned that she was actually understating the truth. Not only are they deplorable, now we know that they are seditious traitors who are working every day to destroy our democracy.
Who is the right "messenger"? It's obviously not Hillary Clinton, we proved that at the ballot box in 2016. Not sure about who it might be but one thing we know for sure. The Radical Right is winning the propaganda war in this country, and Democrats are clueless about how to defend against it. Remember that old saying about good guys finishing last?
Cha
(297,383 posts)Candidate for President!
Just 'cause Stien & Sarandon and others LIED about Hillary.. Does NOT mean she is the "wrong messenger".
Fuck those who LIED and Gaslighted about Hillary.. that's Why we had fucking trump & Fascism in the door.
CBHagman
(16,987 posts)...and more human beings voted for Hillary Rodham Clinton than TFG. The electoral college works (or doesn't work) in such as way that 80,000 votes over several key states effectively nullify millions more in the popular vote.
As for the polarizing thingie, that's in part the work of a quarter century, partly things such as Citizens United but also Fox News and a bunch of GOP congressmen with a multiyear Benghazi probe, which they admitted was meant to lower HRC's poll numbers.
I'm not taking the polarizing plate special again, not with the record right before our eyes.
wnylib
(21,528 posts)people don't like her. She won the popular vote by millions. Many people like her.
But, she has been villified so long and so relentlessly with false images of her projected by the far right through false charges that the right sees her as the epitome of evil.
Not all Americans believe that BS. But she will be dismissed by RWers no matter what she says.
It's not that she is the wrong messenger. She has plenty of good, insightful, and powerful things to say. Let us listen to her and echo what she says. Hit the right hard with constant vilifying messages about THEM, which are true in their case, and not manufactured.
She is absolutely on the right track in verbally attacking them where it hurts them and where it counts with American citizens. We need to repeat LO what she is saying.
wnylib
(21,528 posts)people don't like her. She won the popular vote by millions. Many people like her.
But, she has been villified so long and so relentlessly with false images of her projected by the far right through false charges that the right sees her as the epitome of evil.
Not all Americans believe that BS. But she will be dismissed by RWers no matter what she says.
It's not that she is the wrong messenger. She has plenty of good, insightful, and powerful things to say. Let us listen to her and echo what she says. Hit the right hard with constant vilifying messages about THEM, which are true in their case, and not manufactured.
She is absolutely on the right track in verbally attacking them where it hurts them and where it counts with American citizens. We need to repeat LOUDLY and often what she is saying.
Sogo
(4,988 posts)Spot on.
Withywindle
(9,988 posts)If not for the Electoral College rules, she would be President. In a true 1 person = 1 vote system, she won. More actual people voted for her than Trump.
I know the reality is that the Electoral College means that a rural vote is unfairly given more weight than an urban vote, but saying this means she's unpopular just isn't true.
Trump was better at appealing to people who live in areas whose votes carry more weight due to an archaic system. He was still chosen by millions FEWER people.
I'm not saying she ran a perfect campaign, or that she's not divisive, but Trump definitely was able to play into a very nasty fascist movement in rural areas that's been rising fast since the Tea Party thought Shrub wasn't far-right enough, and there's a lot of dark money willing and eager to help him do that.
pandr32
(11,594 posts)She is still Wonder Woman as far as I'm concerned.
Cha
(297,383 posts)'cause she has haters doesn't mean Millions don't Appreciate her.. and wish her Warnings would have been heeded.
betsuni
(25,560 posts)Typical.
Cha
(297,383 posts)into their heads. Reasons.
betsuni
(25,560 posts)corrupt corporate Dems corrupt corporate Dems. Embarrassing!
Cha
(297,383 posts)Ohio Joe
(21,761 posts)And I have no problem with her doing it.
johnp3907
(3,732 posts)Do I even want to know?
Me.
(35,454 posts)without DEms piling on and insulting her even more? She is popular enough to have won the popular vote for president.
Hillary is not any kind of "messenger" for the party. She's being attacked, and she's merely responding and defending herself, not to mention doing a fine job.
So what?
iemanja
(53,037 posts)Hillary needs to go away ethos. Other failed Dem candidates are revered, but Hillary is to be cast aside. It says more about the Dems making the argument than Hillary.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)mountain grammy
(26,634 posts)SYFROYH
(34,176 posts)Its a message will still need to say and say more effectively,
But we mean very different things by fanily values.
kacekwl
(7,020 posts)better than the scorn of the right wing for oh so many years. She can point out all the crap they slung at her they were actually doing it x100. Lock him up BAM.
mcar
(42,340 posts)What does that even mean?
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)politically aware and intune, and knows wth she is talking about but then you have the sexists and misogynist that lecture us her voice is not the one. I am not buying that bullshit and why would I as a woman. So damn tired of hearing our voice doesn't count, the wrong messenger because of male nastiness.
Budi
(15,325 posts)💙
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,330 posts)Voltaire2
(13,093 posts)We are but dim bulbs in Her presence.
mcar
(42,340 posts)Is she Mother Theresa?
Voltaire2
(13,093 posts)Midnight Writer
(21,771 posts)I would love to see more legal action against the liars.
It seems it would be simple to prove malice and reckless disregard in FOX News and other RW reporting.
Dirty Socialist
(3,252 posts)EVERY Democrat is polarizing, since the GOP hate machine demonizes everyone to the left of Rush Limbaugh. Pure projection.
Blecht
(3,803 posts)Added to Ignore List
iemanja
(53,037 posts)Are the very ones who spread false propaganda about her and in the process helped bring Trump to power. They were wrong then, as they are now.
Thats about the kindest thing I can say about them.
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)Cha
(297,383 posts)saying the same more or less.
betsuni
(25,560 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,997 posts)mvd
(65,176 posts)Shes a smart woman and should have been President. She can message fine even if it didnt come across the best in her campaign for President. I was a Bernie supporter, but knew the problems wed have if Hillary didnt take the WH.
JI7
(89,254 posts)No, the wrong messenger is always those who want to nitpick instead of just support . Always worried about how others will see someone despite her getting MORE votes after all the shit she went through and continues to go through .
betsuni
(25,560 posts)Response to YorkRd (Original post)
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SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)But it is here all the time.
With such headline, this article doesn't deserve my time.
MineralMan
(146,319 posts)Please stop attacking Hillary. If we had all voted for her, Trump would be an asterisk.
YorkRd
(326 posts)I was thinking that this article meant someone younger who was in office or running for office.