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Watch this racist guy get the white slapped off of him when he uses a slur in an Applebees. (Original Post) Maraya1969 Feb 2022 OP
I haven't finished my first cuppa coffee, so I have no filters. Baitball Blogger Feb 2022 #1
Interested to see what the legal response is. SYFROYH Feb 2022 #2
By the end I figured the guy is going to get fired, Baitball Blogger Feb 2022 #3
Under the Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire fighting words doctrine NutmegYankee Feb 2022 #4
Chaplinsky didnt address the n-word but a recent Ohio case did. SYFROYH Feb 2022 #114
It established the concept of fighting words. NutmegYankee Feb 2022 #115
I hope white guy is hit with a hate crime for attacking the black guy with racial slurs. Greybnk48 Feb 2022 #101
He takes a good punch. twodogsbarking Feb 2022 #5
It was open hand. LuvLoogie Feb 2022 #8
Maybe next time. twodogsbarking Feb 2022 #9
Yes, Frankly The Black Guy Was Restraining Himself Beetwasher. Feb 2022 #45
Damn WHITT Feb 2022 #6
It's the hasty exit for me 😂😂😂😂 live love laugh Feb 2022 #106
Racist just kept it up alphafemale Feb 2022 #7
I could watch that a dozen times-Just wish YoshidaYui Feb 2022 #19
He got what he deserved, Beachnutt Feb 2022 #10
+1 2naSalit Feb 2022 #30
Yes he did. ForgedCrank Feb 2022 #104
Hat flip Lahru Feb 2022 #11
Very cool! Had never anyone do that, before this video! ⭐️ Judi Lynn Feb 2022 #35
fun went out of that party Demovictory9 Feb 2022 #12
Thanks! John Ludi Feb 2022 #13
It's satisfying to watch but there will be legal consequences IronLionZion Feb 2022 #14
will that racist asshole want his name all over the internet Skittles Feb 2022 #97
I give the Gentleman a lot of credit for multigraincracker Feb 2022 #15
Apropos. benfranklin1776 Feb 2022 #38
As I like to say... multigraincracker Feb 2022 #42
I've learned that slaves weren't just used for the unskilled manual labor jobs like picking cotton 70sEraVet Feb 2022 #51
Thanks - My great great JustAnotherGen Feb 2022 #58
Hat-tip to your great, great Grandfather! He was not only skilled and educated, 70sEraVet Feb 2022 #63
Sounds like he was much smarter than his owner. multigraincracker Feb 2022 #65
Thank you JustAnotherGen Feb 2022 #68
Wow, what family history! electric_blue68 Feb 2022 #90
A better comparison JustAnotherGen Feb 2022 #62
As a white woman the first time I ever saw a ?etching of that (decades ago) I was like WTH is That!? electric_blue68 Feb 2022 #88
Yup, Said the Same Thing, He Showed Restraint Beetwasher. Feb 2022 #47
Fucked around rambler_american Feb 2022 #16
Looks like an old man chose to fuck around and find out today Tarc Feb 2022 #17
Loved watching every second of that! BlueJac Feb 2022 #18
Racist POS oswaldactedalone Feb 2022 #20
Someone is lucky fists weren't used, and it was only slaps Ohioboy Feb 2022 #21
Beautiful vercetti2021 Feb 2022 #22
I have a fancy old fashioned I_UndergroundPanther Feb 2022 #107
the donald j trump syndrome. spanone Feb 2022 #23
That video won't work with Applebee's new commercials. gab13by13 Feb 2022 #24
Good point. The guy thought he knew his name but, Emile Feb 2022 #28
OMG, I'm still laughing. gab13by13 Feb 2022 #40
Got his ass kicked good. Emile Feb 2022 #25
Anyone know what city this was? Nt raccoon Feb 2022 #26
Finally. Some legitimate political discourse. n/t Whiskeytide Feb 2022 #27
lol uponit7771 Feb 2022 #29
lol. 2naSalit Feb 2022 #31
Well Played! Beetwasher. Feb 2022 #50
Omg 😂 electric_blue68 Feb 2022 #91
! Solomon Feb 2022 #32
I anxiously await Traildogbob Feb 2022 #34
These stories make one feel good. LiberatedUSA Feb 2022 #33
Slappin' good in the neighborhood Scalded Nun Feb 2022 #36
*snort* 😏 dixiechiken1 Feb 2022 #48
Good one MLAA Feb 2022 #53
This is not who we are, is it? William769 Feb 2022 #37
I can see why you are upset DonCoquixote Feb 2022 #41
And that's why I thought we were better than them. William769 Feb 2022 #43
the problem is DonCoquixote Feb 2022 #87
That has nothing to do with someone slapping a guy at least 20 years older, questionseverything Feb 2022 #105
I agree with you. Goodheart Feb 2022 #44
I'm just going to say this JustAnotherGen Feb 2022 #66
Agreed Blue_Adept Feb 2022 #49
Me too. This is awful. JenniferJuniper Feb 2022 #55
Unfortunately it is who we are sarisataka Feb 2022 #52
sometimes it is the only answer Celerity Feb 2022 #56
Completely unrelated... brooklynite Feb 2022 #78
it is absolutely germane to the universalised claim the other poster made Celerity Feb 2022 #81
I agree with you on that. Better if he had gotten up MineralMan Feb 2022 #59
Agree JustAnotherGen Feb 2022 #61
I'm not a complete pacifist, tho I prefer non violent solutions AND I can understand... electric_blue68 Feb 2022 #94
You're right vercetti2021 Feb 2022 #64
He was slapping him around in a way which didn't harm him that much JI7 Feb 2022 #71
Didn't harm him that much" isn't a legal defense. brooklynite Feb 2022 #79
So what ? JI7 Feb 2022 #89
So he deserves to face whatever the legal consequences are... brooklynite Feb 2022 #93
True Just_Vote_Dem Feb 2022 #74
Eh, disagree Wavelight Feb 2022 #80
We have a saying down here, Chainfire Feb 2022 #39
Your mouth wrote a check your body couldn't cash. - Fred Sanford Patterson Feb 2022 #82
or Beachnutt Feb 2022 #124
Star Trek version... thesquanderer Feb 2022 #46
Good. Going high when they go low does nothing but embolden these assholes. dixiechiken1 Feb 2022 #54
I don't agree with violence JustAnotherGen Feb 2022 #57
Oh, yeah I remember when the Secret Service said they got the most death threats against... electric_blue68 Feb 2022 #95
And I don't blame you in the least. hippywife Feb 2022 #112
I thought he was punching him at first. The Jungle 1 Feb 2022 #60
Stupid POS asked for it dalton99a Feb 2022 #67
Violence is NEVER the answer, until voting isn't maxrandb Feb 2022 #69
Your post reminded me of this quote from John F. Kennedy: CaliforniaPeggy Feb 2022 #85
"Get the white slapped off him"?! I'm white. Is that bad? Hortensis Feb 2022 #70
Certainly an odd choice of words. BlackSkimmer Feb 2022 #72
Well, we know it's been in long use, now with minor variation. Hortensis Feb 2022 #73
"Welcome to Slapplebees" kcr Feb 2022 #75
+ JI7 Feb 2022 #122
FAFO! tblue37 Feb 2022 #76
Damn!!! x18. Iggo Feb 2022 #77
Cheering for violence Sympthsical Feb 2022 #83
Spot on. BlackSkimmer Feb 2022 #92
Par for the course, unfortunately. Jedi Guy Feb 2022 #98
Remember "Bin Laden Won" Sympthsical Feb 2022 #100
I said something very similar not that long ago right here on DU. Jedi Guy Feb 2022 #102
If it feels foreign, it just might be. (Nt) FreepFryer Feb 2022 #126
The old white guy will probably press charges, but... LuckyCharms Feb 2022 #84
"Everyone has a line that cannot be crossed." dixiechiken1 Feb 2022 #86
I'm half Japanese, I look like it, I've had words thrown at me. I get it. Akoto Feb 2022 #96
Doubtful that a racial slur would be considered "fighting words." Jedi Guy Feb 2022 #99
It's not freedom of speech to get in other people's faces like that and spew shit JI7 Feb 2022 #109
It actually is freedom of speech. You're basically talking about "verbal assault." Jedi Guy Feb 2022 #119
Getting in people's face like that can be taken as a threat and people can defend themselves JI7 Feb 2022 #121
It can be taken that way, sure. That doesn't mean responding with force will be legal. Jedi Guy Feb 2022 #128
A reasonable person could someone yelling racist slurs to be a threat. JI7 Feb 2022 #129
Just slurs alone likely wouldn't cross that threshold. That's just name calling. Jedi Guy Feb 2022 #130
This specific case was not at a protest . JI7 Feb 2022 #131
So what? That was just the example I gave. Jedi Guy Feb 2022 #132
Of course it makes a different. Just as you need permission JI7 Feb 2022 #133
Other court cases have upheld the N-word as a fighting word. NutmegYankee Feb 2022 #116
Also this was directed at someone which I think makes a difference JI7 Feb 2022 #118
And others have ruled that it isn't a fighting word. Jedi Guy Feb 2022 #120
if he presses charges his name and face become public for using the N word. He might not want that Demovictory9 Feb 2022 #127
The fact of the matter is ForgedCrank Feb 2022 #103
Why are black people responsible for white people being racist ? JI7 Feb 2022 #108
"Why are black people responsible for white people being racist ?" ForgedCrank Feb 2022 #110
"he's still a racist. Hell, maybe even more so now." JI7 Feb 2022 #111
Geez, ok I'll explain. ForgedCrank Feb 2022 #113
The White Racist hates someone like Obama more than the stereotypical thug . White racism JI7 Feb 2022 #117
If you want to talk about ForgedCrank Feb 2022 #123
Boy, they are really pushing the polarizing, violent antisocial messages aren't they? FreepFryer Feb 2022 #125

Baitball Blogger

(46,827 posts)
1. I haven't finished my first cuppa coffee, so I have no filters.
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 07:49 AM
Feb 2022

I laughed out loud in shock and in satisfaction. That was some more than 200 years of rage unleashed on one idiot white guy.

Baitball Blogger

(46,827 posts)
3. By the end I figured the guy is going to get fired,
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 07:56 AM
Feb 2022

but he will get support from the outside.

That old white guy was way too smug, throughout. He intentionally provoked him.

NutmegYankee

(16,210 posts)
4. Under the Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire fighting words doctrine
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 07:58 AM
Feb 2022

Likely both of them will face some charges.

NutmegYankee

(16,210 posts)
115. It established the concept of fighting words.
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 11:31 PM
Feb 2022

That a court ruled the N-word was one doesn't surprise. If that wasn't, then could any word ever truly be a fighting word?

Greybnk48

(10,186 posts)
101. I hope white guy is hit with a hate crime for attacking the black guy with racial slurs.
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 08:45 PM
Feb 2022

It's crystal clear who started this and what he said.

ForgedCrank

(1,797 posts)
104. Yes he did.
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 08:55 PM
Feb 2022

I can't condone that sort of reaction because it only makes things worse, but I'm sure it was a satisfying release.
Someone else said it up-thread: some things are worth going to jail for.

IronLionZion

(45,706 posts)
14. It's satisfying to watch but there will be legal consequences
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 08:55 AM
Feb 2022

you can't violently assault someone because of racist slurs unfortunately, or I would be punching people all over the place.

multigraincracker

(32,807 posts)
15. I give the Gentleman a lot of credit for
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 08:58 AM
Feb 2022

striking him with an open hand. The only better option, might have been to grab a ping pong paddle, put him over his knee and paddled him until he cried like a baby. But he did use appropriate restraint.

benfranklin1776

(6,460 posts)
38. Apropos.
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 10:13 AM
Feb 2022

But since the racist spewing filth from his rancid piehole is one of them “heritage”championing neoConfederate traitors perhaps a bullwhip would be better to allow him to personally experience some of the vile traditions of that “heritage.”

multigraincracker

(32,807 posts)
42. As I like to say...
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 10:18 AM
Feb 2022

If you don't like Black folks, it's too bad your folks were too damn lazy to pick their own damn cotton.

70sEraVet

(3,587 posts)
51. I've learned that slaves weren't just used for the unskilled manual labor jobs like picking cotton
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 10:39 AM
Feb 2022

In my part of Tennessee, the majority of slaves were used in iron production. Much of this was highly skilled labor, and of course like all jobs filled by slave labor, greatly increased the profits of employers.
Kind of funny, when you think of the masses of poor, Southern whites, fighting to preserve a system that had kept them poor Southern whites.
Like many recent wars, the poor, fighting the rich man's war.

JustAnotherGen

(32,122 posts)
58. Thanks - My great great
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 10:55 AM
Feb 2022

Grandfather who ran from Alabama to Mexico - was a blacksmith.

He had also been taught to read so . . . his running was his enslaver's own fault.

70sEraVet

(3,587 posts)
63. Hat-tip to your great, great Grandfather! He was not only skilled and educated,
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 11:02 AM
Feb 2022

he was brave and resourcefull!

JustAnotherGen

(32,122 posts)
68. Thank you
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 11:16 AM
Feb 2022

My generation in the family holds intergenerational wealth today - because that man lost toes and scars on his back . . . wasn't his first runner.

Tarc

(10,479 posts)
17. Looks like an old man chose to fuck around and find out today
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 09:14 AM
Feb 2022

And the slaps. Not punches, slaps. Absolutely emasculating, I love it.

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,524 posts)
107. I have a fancy old fashioned
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 10:03 PM
Feb 2022

Plate on the wall put in veiw of my door that says
We punch nazis in this house..

Traildogbob

(8,957 posts)
34. I anxiously await
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 10:05 AM
Feb 2022

The day we see this happen to Tuckums. I loved this. More please. Time to shut the fuck up, or get the fuck shut up.

 

LiberatedUSA

(1,666 posts)
33. These stories make one feel good.
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 10:00 AM
Feb 2022

But assault over words is still illegal. The next racist will be armed. Because while it is illegal to assault over words, it is legal to defend one’s life from a beating.

I wonder what they would have done, if the man got angry after the beating, and started storming out to his car; where guns are sometimes kept.

I’m guessing he will go to the cops with evidence of the attack and press charges.

I remember when people were cheering on violent attacks on Trumpers for wearing a red hat. I was waiting for a hook, line and sinker situation where a Trumper gets a concealed gun, puts on a MAGA hat, goes to a liberal area and waits for the attack. Bait if you will.

William769

(55,170 posts)
37. This is not who we are, is it?
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 10:12 AM
Feb 2022

Don't bother answering, many posts in this thread have answered that question.

Violence is never the answer. I'll say that once again, violence is never the answer.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
41. I can see why you are upset
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 10:16 AM
Feb 2022

On the other hand, it has become plain to see that not only do racists get to use violence, but they get cheered for it right from the highest levels of the land. I am not saying the n word deserves a slap, but we also need to address the fact that, be it with school shooting's, vandalism, assaults', that one side knows they can get away with it, and be praised by the joe Rogans, Tucker Carlsons, and the billionaires that fuel them.

William769

(55,170 posts)
43. And that's why I thought we were better than them.
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 10:22 AM
Feb 2022

Sticks and stones may break your bones but words will never hurt you.

Growing up Gay, I know now all to well that saying.

You can never justify violence, so don't even try.

I know all the people you listed in your post. I'll only list one.

Dr. Martin Luther King

Now you have a good day sir.

questionseverything

(9,671 posts)
105. That has nothing to do with someone slapping a guy at least 20 years older,
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 09:39 PM
Feb 2022

A foot shorter and what fifty pounds lighter at least 15 times until he falls on the floor

Goodheart

(5,355 posts)
44. I agree with you.
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 10:31 AM
Feb 2022

I believe that "freedom of speech" should allow use of the n-word without legal jeopardy and physical harm, no matter how repulsive it is.

Having said that, I confess to thoroughly enjoying the video in a very unprincipled manner.

JustAnotherGen

(32,122 posts)
66. I'm just going to say this
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 11:07 AM
Feb 2022

When I was a little kid in western ny in the late 70's early 80's - small town . . .

Now this was back in the day right?


Someone called my mother a N*gger Lover one time too many and I walloped that kid. And then when his dad brought it up during a little league game -

My dad piled on his dad and pretty much said: If your kid wasn't stupid (r word to be exact) and hadn't been held back two times - he wouldn't have been in my daughter's vicinity to get punched in his mouth. He's a full head taller than her - you aren't raising that boy right.

********************

I think because there is such a 'preciousness' around white children and they are learning this blatant disrespect from their parents - and the schools PROTECT their speech which demeans, diminishes, and attacks the soul of black children -


Not having a playground tiff after school is going to make American a bad place in 20 years.

Again - if you didn't experience that upbringing you won't possibly understand it - but sometimes bullies who disrespect your mom need to get put back on their behind. Especially when older, and bigger - and dummy dumber.

Celerity

(43,933 posts)
81. it is absolutely germane to the universalised claim the other poster made
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 02:29 PM
Feb 2022
Violence is never the answer. I'll say that once again, violence is never the answer.

MineralMan

(146,364 posts)
59. I agree with you on that. Better if he had gotten up
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 10:57 AM
Feb 2022

in that guy's face and demanded that he repeat what he said several times than to strike him.

However, I understand why the man slapped him. Interestingly, it is rare for men to slap people. Doing so is an insulting statement that says, "You are not worth being punched. So I'll just slap your stupid racist face instead."

JustAnotherGen

(32,122 posts)
61. Agree
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 10:58 AM
Feb 2022

But it may not be who 'you are' - but

You have to at least acknowledge that this is where many black people are.

I'm there. I've had it. And it may be because I live in the Montana of New Jersey and I'm surrounded by these shit ass racists.

It's enough. I've had enough. And I think that America better prepare itself for more of this. Malcolm was right, the original Black Panthers and Deacons were right and JUSTIFIED . . .

And I've had it. A lot of "US" have. Peele warned America with that.

electric_blue68

(15,061 posts)
94. I'm not a complete pacifist, tho I prefer non violent solutions AND I can understand...
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 04:34 PM
Feb 2022

to a pretty good degree your feelings.
(only because)
First my mom started pointing out racist stuff to me fairly early on, she hated cruelty.
From her I've then spent decades listening to Black people on radio, tv, in writings, and discussions with my Black friends of past and current injustices. Both of Southern, and Northern harm, and worse.

Having TFG kick over every stinking log, and rock with his dog whistles, and fog horns giving racists "official" permission to wreck even more havoc, and worse on Black and other POC - which now uncorked just keeps on going is a somber, horrific, and infuriating situation.


One question "the Montana of NJ" uh, Southern NJ or where? I've lived across from NJ.

JI7

(89,308 posts)
71. He was slapping him around in a way which didn't harm him that much
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 11:24 AM
Feb 2022

that's why the racist kept getting up and kept spewing racism at him.

Not saying it's ok but also not going to say it was not ok .

brooklynite

(95,183 posts)
79. Didn't harm him that much" isn't a legal defense.
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 02:20 PM
Feb 2022

It might mitigate to a lower charge, but its still a violation.

brooklynite

(95,183 posts)
93. So he deserves to face whatever the legal consequences are...
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 04:30 PM
Feb 2022

Hate speech, as ugly as it is, is protected under the First Amendment.

dixiechiken1

(2,113 posts)
54. Good. Going high when they go low does nothing but embolden these assholes.
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 10:45 AM
Feb 2022

Bet at least one old man will think twice before spewing that bullshit again. Fuck him.

JustAnotherGen

(32,122 posts)
57. I don't agree with violence
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 10:53 AM
Feb 2022

But what can they expect us to do?

There's only so much of these blatantly racist words and actions we can take.

They started in 2007 with Obama's rise in America, they got their racist shit ass President Trump, they unleashed - and after 15 years of them acting like it's 1919 and they can just run around lynching us . . .

We are done.

I know it's probably going to upset some non black and/or non minority DU'ers - but it's the truth. I'm done.

I'm done with these racist shit asses - a lot of us are.

electric_blue68

(15,061 posts)
95. Oh, yeah I remember when the Secret Service said they got the most death threats against...
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 04:46 PM
Feb 2022

President Obama.😔

I'm a spiritual person so I included them in my prayers for their safety.


hippywife

(22,767 posts)
112. And I don't blame you in the least.
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 10:53 PM
Feb 2022

No one gets away with that shit even once in my presence. I don't get physical, but I get fucking mouthy and in their faces. 🤬🤬🤬

 

The Jungle 1

(4,552 posts)
60. I thought he was punching him at first.
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 10:57 AM
Feb 2022

That racist slime is very lucky the hero controlled himself and only smacked him. Although I think the first shot was a punch.
The hero was very much in control of himself. It is clear from the coordinated and prolonged attack that the racist could have hurt badly.
That is one calm controlled man. Watch him flip his hat after he pushes the racist to the ground. He has adrenaline squirting yet he is still able to flip his hat. I would love to hear his life story. Beer is on me sir let's talk.

I just wish the hero would have gotten in the racist face and let him push him first. Although in an ironic twist I doubt a jury would convict the hero. I also doubt pasty face will press charges. That dumb ass is still trying to convince people there is nothing wrong with what he said. He is stupid!

maxrandb

(15,439 posts)
69. Violence is NEVER the answer, until voting isn't
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 11:18 AM
Feb 2022

Aren't we there in America?

If you take away non-violent means for change, what are you left with?

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,924 posts)
85. Your post reminded me of this quote from John F. Kennedy:
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 02:52 PM
Feb 2022
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
70. "Get the white slapped off him"?! I'm white. Is that bad?
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 11:21 AM
Feb 2022

I wouldn't advise anyone to wait hopefully for someone to try to slap the white off me, Maraya.

Sympthsical

(9,215 posts)
83. Cheering for violence
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 02:44 PM
Feb 2022

Also, "slap the white off"? You know there was a problem in the Bay Area last year with the "Slap an Asian" challenge. Maybe rethink that racist nomenclature.

So, protest is bad, speech iffy, and violence good if it's someone disliked.

Trying to figure out where there's room for a liberal in all this. This is not what I signed up for.

Jedi Guy

(3,290 posts)
98. Par for the course, unfortunately.
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 08:33 PM
Feb 2022

As long as the person on the receiving end of the violence is someone we don't like, it's good violence, apparently. After January 6th, whenever a thread popped up regarding another planned protest by the right, there were posts calling for violence against them. For all the times people here shit on the police as violent thugs, they cheer the idea of the police being violent towards people on the right. The violence was never the real issue, it was the target of the violence that was objectionable.

Disappointing as all hell, but not surprising. What's even worse is watching the same people cheering on the violence then lay claim to the moral high ground. That high ground was ceded quite a while ago as far as I'm concerned.

Sympthsical

(9,215 posts)
100. Remember "Bin Laden Won"
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 08:40 PM
Feb 2022

Because America ceded so many civil liberties and good decision making in response to 9/11?

The more I watch, the more that comes to mind. "Trump won." The man could die in prison, but he took a lot of people I've always thought of as on my side down with him. With polarization comes an increasing lust for authoritarianism as long as it is properly directed.

I noticed a bit ago Canada's version of the ACLU (the CCLA) is going to absolute town on Trudeau's use of emergency powers to smother protest.

Weird there are absolute crickets about that.

Jedi Guy

(3,290 posts)
102. I said something very similar not that long ago right here on DU.
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 08:48 PM
Feb 2022

Hate is a choice. By hating Trump and his followers, one becomes a little more like them. It's possible to vehemently oppose Trump and all he stands for without giving in to hatred. You're absolutely right in that he dragged a ton of people down to his level. If he vanished from the scene tomorrow, the damage is still done because people allowed him to make them like him.

You're right about the drive for authoritarianism, too, though of course some will insist that there can be no such thing on the left, and the very idea is just silly. Then in the next breath they'll advocate for laws against hate speech.

As for the protests in Canada, goes back to the earlier point. The oppression is okay as long as its target is someone we don't like.

LuckyCharms

(17,489 posts)
84. The old white guy will probably press charges, but...
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 02:48 PM
Feb 2022

I think there is a good chance that the man who physically expressed his displeasure will fare pretty well in court.

1) A case could probably be made that the term that was used would be considered "fighting words".

2) The gentleman doing the hitting obviously showed restraint, held back some of his justified anger, and used an open hand.

Older people tend to gain wisdom as they age, but apparently this guy didn't. How can someone be so goddamn stupid that they hurl an incredibly offensive and rage inducing word to someone, and not expect repercussions?

I do not condone this type of violence, but I certainly can understand it. When I was younger, I beat the shit out of someone after he got in my face for about a minute while screaming "WOP, WOP, WOP, DAGO, DAGO, DAGO" directly into my ear.

For anyone who can't understand why physical pushback against this type of stuff happens, all I can say is...see if you can control your hands when someone assaults and insults your very being so brutally. I don't think anyone should be expected to maintain total control in a situation like that. Everyone has a line that cannot be crossed.

dixiechiken1

(2,113 posts)
86. "Everyone has a line that cannot be crossed."
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 03:12 PM
Feb 2022

☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️ THIS ☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️

Akoto

(4,267 posts)
96. I'm half Japanese, I look like it, I've had words thrown at me. I get it.
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 04:49 PM
Feb 2022

I both can understand but can't condone responding to them with violence. It only serves to make the aggressor appear justified in the eyes of people who think as he does.

That being said...

1. The restraint on the part of the insulted man is obvious and recorded. Yes, he struck the racist repeatedly, but he did so with an open hand. He also stopped himself once the man had lost his footing, resuming only when said racist got back up and then invited further conflict by repeating his racist remarks. He was egging it on.

2. I think the whole 'egging it on' thing is going to play in the verbally assaulted man's favor in any court case.

3. As has been pointed out above, I further believe this has a strong "fighting words" basis in any case. Repeated use of, what's more.

I've been angry when this kind of thing has happened to me. Infuriated, even. Yes, there are racists against every ethnicity, even a young half Japanese dude. Again, though, I can't condone violence because it strengthens the racist's "movement" (for lack of better term) even if clear restraint was shown. Had the insulted party here been using closed fists rather than open hands, that guy would've been headed for an ambulance before the video was finished. I've felt like doing this, but aside from being crippled by disability, hitting someone with my cane is only going to get me in court and empower the racist's agenda.

Jedi Guy

(3,290 posts)
99. Doubtful that a racial slur would be considered "fighting words."
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 08:39 PM
Feb 2022

Mere offensiveness doesn't constitute fighting words. Examples of protected speech in past cases have included things like "bury the n*****s" so it's doubtful that the simple utterance of the slur itself would be considered fighting words.

Odds are you're right that the attacker in this case probably isn't going to get the book thrown at him, as any jury is likely going to be fairly sympathetic to him. Doesn't change the fact that responding to speech with violence is not appropriate. The First Amendment is a cornerstone of our society and has long been held to protect even vile, hateful speech.

JI7

(89,308 posts)
109. It's not freedom of speech to get in other people's faces like that and spew shit
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 10:19 PM
Feb 2022

Then it can be abusive and threatening.

Jedi Guy

(3,290 posts)
119. It actually is freedom of speech. You're basically talking about "verbal assault."
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 01:48 AM
Feb 2022

And insofar as the law is concerned, there's no such thing as "verbal assault." I can get in your face and call you whatever names I like, and that's not illegal in and of itself. It would become illegal if threats are uttered, but simple invective or name-calling isn't illegal.

JI7

(89,308 posts)
121. Getting in people's face like that can be taken as a threat and people can defend themselves
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 02:10 AM
Feb 2022

there are things like harassment . There doesn't need to be a specific law that mentions "verbal assault" .

Jedi Guy

(3,290 posts)
128. It can be taken that way, sure. That doesn't mean responding with force will be legal.
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 09:20 AM
Feb 2022

If I'm standing in front of you, yelling at you and calling you every vile name in the book but making no move to touch you, that's free speech. That isn't a threat. If I say, "I'm going to kick your ass right here and now," I've crossed the line because any reasonable person will recognize that as a threat.

The key bit is "reasonable person." You'd need to reasonably fear for your safety to be able to respond with force. Simply being called names, no matter how vile, doesn't cross that line.

Jedi Guy

(3,290 posts)
130. Just slurs alone likely wouldn't cross that threshold. That's just name calling.
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 10:39 AM
Feb 2022

Also, you do realize that what you're arguing would apply to the other side, right? So if you get up in some MAGAt's face at a protest and he "feels threatened" because you called him names, he's within his rights to put hands on you? Is that really a precedent you want to set? Because I sure don't.

Jedi Guy

(3,290 posts)
132. So what? That was just the example I gave.
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 12:53 PM
Feb 2022

That this specific case took place at an Applebee's doesn't matter in the slightest. Don't deflect, address the argument being made.

JI7

(89,308 posts)
133. Of course it makes a different. Just as you need permission
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 03:44 PM
Feb 2022

many times to do a protest. And People have been arrested for it.

JI7

(89,308 posts)
118. Also this was directed at someone which I think makes a difference
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 01:35 AM
Feb 2022

I'm pretty sure freedom of speech doesn't mean one can get in people's faces spewing hatred at a restaurant or maybe anywhere.

Jedi Guy

(3,290 posts)
120. And others have ruled that it isn't a fighting word.
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 01:50 AM
Feb 2022

There's precedent in different directions in different jurisdictions. Simply calling someone the n-word, as vile as that is, probably isn't going to fall under the umbrella of fighting words. There generally has to be more to it than that.

ForgedCrank

(1,797 posts)
103. The fact of the matter is
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 08:52 PM
Feb 2022

that getting a beat down is not going to change the way that guy thinks, he's still a racist. Hell, maybe even more so now.
Violence isn't how you deal with these people.
Unfortunately, the guy will likely end up with charges if the white guy presses on it.

JI7

(89,308 posts)
108. Why are black people responsible for white people being racist ?
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 10:16 PM
Feb 2022

and he wasn't smacking him around to change his mind.

ForgedCrank

(1,797 posts)
110. "Why are black people responsible for white people being racist ?"
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 10:35 PM
Feb 2022

What did I say that sounded anything even close to resembling that?
I never said either of those things or anything even close.

ForgedCrank

(1,797 posts)
113. Geez, ok I'll explain.
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 10:59 PM
Feb 2022

The guy is a racist. Agreed?
Now think of all the stereotypes that blacks have had to endure over the decades.
In the mind of a racist (the white racist guy in this video), one of those stereotypes was just validated.
That in no manner, no matter how hard you try, equates to me saying it's the black guys fault that this man is a racist.
Seriously.

JI7

(89,308 posts)
117. The White Racist hates someone like Obama more than the stereotypical thug . White racism
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 01:33 AM
Feb 2022

has nothing to do with the racists misunderstanding or being misguided. It has to do with their hatred .

The problem with the racist is themselves and their insecurities and whatever other issues they have of themselves.

ForgedCrank

(1,797 posts)
123. If you want to talk about
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 02:14 AM
Feb 2022

everything that is wrong with a racist, we're gonna be here for a while. These aren't zeros or ones, there is no reason for racism. There's as many reasons for it as there are racists.

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