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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWatch this racist guy get the white slapped off of him when he uses a slur in an Applebees.
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Baitball Blogger
(46,827 posts)I laughed out loud in shock and in satisfaction. That was some more than 200 years of rage unleashed on one idiot white guy.
SYFROYH
(34,186 posts)Nevertheless, somethings are worth going to jail over.
Baitball Blogger
(46,827 posts)but he will get support from the outside.
That old white guy was way too smug, throughout. He intentionally provoked him.
NutmegYankee
(16,210 posts)Likely both of them will face some charges.
SYFROYH
(34,186 posts)NutmegYankee
(16,210 posts)That a court ruled the N-word was one doesn't surprise. If that wasn't, then could any word ever truly be a fighting word?
Greybnk48
(10,186 posts)It's crystal clear who started this and what he said.
twodogsbarking
(10,033 posts)LuvLoogie
(7,092 posts)Fists would have floored him.
twodogsbarking
(10,033 posts)Beetwasher.
(2,987 posts)The racist was lucky for his restraint.
Slapped to the FLOOR.
Spectacular.
live love laugh
(13,253 posts)alphafemale
(18,497 posts)Hard headed in more ways than one.
YoshidaYui
(41,880 posts)Somebody would do that to Trump
Beachnutt
(7,375 posts)faux news watchin magaloon trumpin disrespectful low life.
ForgedCrank
(1,797 posts)I can't condone that sort of reaction because it only makes things worse, but I'm sure it was a satisfying release.
Someone else said it up-thread: some things are worth going to jail for.
Lahru
(7 posts)His hat flip at the end is classic.
Judi Lynn
(160,755 posts)Demovictory9
(32,521 posts)John Ludi
(589 posts)That totally made my morning!
IronLionZion
(45,706 posts)you can't violently assault someone because of racist slurs unfortunately, or I would be punching people all over the place.
Skittles
(153,447 posts)fuck him
multigraincracker
(32,807 posts)striking him with an open hand. The only better option, might have been to grab a ping pong paddle, put him over his knee and paddled him until he cried like a baby. But he did use appropriate restraint.
benfranklin1776
(6,460 posts)But since the racist spewing filth from his rancid piehole is one of them heritagechampioning neoConfederate traitors perhaps a bullwhip would be better to allow him to personally experience some of the vile traditions of that heritage.
multigraincracker
(32,807 posts)If you don't like Black folks, it's too bad your folks were too damn lazy to pick their own damn cotton.
70sEraVet
(3,587 posts)In my part of Tennessee, the majority of slaves were used in iron production. Much of this was highly skilled labor, and of course like all jobs filled by slave labor, greatly increased the profits of employers.
Kind of funny, when you think of the masses of poor, Southern whites, fighting to preserve a system that had kept them poor Southern whites.
Like many recent wars, the poor, fighting the rich man's war.
JustAnotherGen
(32,122 posts)Grandfather who ran from Alabama to Mexico - was a blacksmith.
He had also been taught to read so . . . his running was his enslaver's own fault.
70sEraVet
(3,587 posts)he was brave and resourcefull!
multigraincracker
(32,807 posts)I love stories like this.
JustAnotherGen
(32,122 posts)My generation in the family holds intergenerational wealth today - because that man lost toes and scars on his back . . . wasn't his first runner.
electric_blue68
(15,061 posts)JustAnotherGen
(32,122 posts)The Precious Southern Belles were too lazy to breast feed their own children.
electric_blue68
(15,061 posts)Beetwasher.
(2,987 posts)The racist is lucky.
rambler_american
(792 posts)and found out.
Tarc
(10,479 posts)And the slaps. Not punches, slaps. Absolutely emasculating, I love it.
BlueJac
(7,838 posts)oswaldactedalone
(3,491 posts)got bitch-slapped quite nicely. Well-deserved.
Ohioboy
(3,256 posts)I hope a lesson was learned.
vercetti2021
(10,159 posts)Love it. Now lets apply this to all these nazis from this point.
I_UndergroundPanther
(12,524 posts)Plate on the wall put in veiw of my door that says
We punch nazis in this house..
spanone
(136,012 posts)hatred is now a republican policy
gab13by13
(21,580 posts)Emile
(23,348 posts)was wrong!
gab13by13
(21,580 posts)Emile
(23,348 posts)raccoon
(31,151 posts)Whiskeytide
(4,466 posts)uponit7771
(90,379 posts)2naSalit
(87,112 posts)Beetwasher.
(2,987 posts)electric_blue68
(15,061 posts)Solomon
(12,327 posts)Traildogbob
(8,957 posts)The day we see this happen to Tuckums. I loved this. More please. Time to shut the fuck up, or get the fuck shut up.
LiberatedUSA
(1,666 posts)But assault over words is still illegal. The next racist will be armed. Because while it is illegal to assault over words, it is legal to defend ones life from a beating.
I wonder what they would have done, if the man got angry after the beating, and started storming out to his car; where guns are sometimes kept.
Im guessing he will go to the cops with evidence of the attack and press charges.
I remember when people were cheering on violent attacks on Trumpers for wearing a red hat. I was waiting for a hook, line and sinker situation where a Trumper gets a concealed gun, puts on a MAGA hat, goes to a liberal area and waits for the attack. Bait if you will.
Scalded Nun
(1,246 posts)dixiechiken1
(2,113 posts)MLAA
(17,386 posts)William769
(55,170 posts)Don't bother answering, many posts in this thread have answered that question.
Violence is never the answer. I'll say that once again, violence is never the answer.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)On the other hand, it has become plain to see that not only do racists get to use violence, but they get cheered for it right from the highest levels of the land. I am not saying the n word deserves a slap, but we also need to address the fact that, be it with school shooting's, vandalism, assaults', that one side knows they can get away with it, and be praised by the joe Rogans, Tucker Carlsons, and the billionaires that fuel them.
William769
(55,170 posts)Sticks and stones may break your bones but words will never hurt you.
Growing up Gay, I know now all to well that saying.
You can never justify violence, so don't even try.
I know all the people you listed in your post. I'll only list one.
Dr. Martin Luther King
Now you have a good day sir.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)when words do encourage the sticks and stones, and the bullets.
questionseverything
(9,671 posts)A foot shorter and what fifty pounds lighter at least 15 times until he falls on the floor
Goodheart
(5,355 posts)I believe that "freedom of speech" should allow use of the n-word without legal jeopardy and physical harm, no matter how repulsive it is.
Having said that, I confess to thoroughly enjoying the video in a very unprincipled manner.
JustAnotherGen
(32,122 posts)When I was a little kid in western ny in the late 70's early 80's - small town . . .
Now this was back in the day right?
Someone called my mother a N*gger Lover one time too many and I walloped that kid. And then when his dad brought it up during a little league game -
My dad piled on his dad and pretty much said: If your kid wasn't stupid (r word to be exact) and hadn't been held back two times - he wouldn't have been in my daughter's vicinity to get punched in his mouth. He's a full head taller than her - you aren't raising that boy right.
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I think because there is such a 'preciousness' around white children and they are learning this blatant disrespect from their parents - and the schools PROTECT their speech which demeans, diminishes, and attacks the soul of black children -
Not having a playground tiff after school is going to make American a bad place in 20 years.
Again - if you didn't experience that upbringing you won't possibly understand it - but sometimes bullies who disrespect your mom need to get put back on their behind. Especially when older, and bigger - and dummy dumber.
Blue_Adept
(6,406 posts)I'm almost more disturbed by the reactions here than the video.
JenniferJuniper
(4,517 posts)sarisataka
(18,991 posts)We always condemn violence until we don't.
Celerity
(43,933 posts)brooklynite
(95,183 posts)WW2 happened because Nazi Germany started with violence.
Celerity
(43,933 posts)MineralMan
(146,364 posts)in that guy's face and demanded that he repeat what he said several times than to strike him.
However, I understand why the man slapped him. Interestingly, it is rare for men to slap people. Doing so is an insulting statement that says, "You are not worth being punched. So I'll just slap your stupid racist face instead."
JustAnotherGen
(32,122 posts)But it may not be who 'you are' - but
You have to at least acknowledge that this is where many black people are.
I'm there. I've had it. And it may be because I live in the Montana of New Jersey and I'm surrounded by these shit ass racists.
It's enough. I've had enough. And I think that America better prepare itself for more of this. Malcolm was right, the original Black Panthers and Deacons were right and JUSTIFIED . . .
And I've had it. A lot of "US" have. Peele warned America with that.
electric_blue68
(15,061 posts)to a pretty good degree your feelings.
(only because)
First my mom started pointing out racist stuff to me fairly early on, she hated cruelty.
From her I've then spent decades listening to Black people on radio, tv, in writings, and discussions with my Black friends of past and current injustices. Both of Southern, and Northern harm, and worse.
Having TFG kick over every stinking log, and rock with his dog whistles, and fog horns giving racists "official" permission to wreck even more havoc, and worse on Black and other POC - which now uncorked just keeps on going is a somber, horrific, and infuriating situation.
One question "the Montana of NJ" uh, Southern NJ or where? I've lived across from NJ.
vercetti2021
(10,159 posts)Violence is never the answer....but it is an option
JI7
(89,308 posts)that's why the racist kept getting up and kept spewing racism at him.
Not saying it's ok but also not going to say it was not ok .
brooklynite
(95,183 posts)It might mitigate to a lower charge, but its still a violation.
JI7
(89,308 posts)brooklynite
(95,183 posts)Hate speech, as ugly as it is, is protected under the First Amendment.
Just_Vote_Dem
(2,826 posts)Thank you William.
Wavelight
(391 posts)Nt
Chainfire
(17,757 posts)The man let his Mockingbird mouth, overload his sparrow ass.
Patterson
(1,536 posts)Your alligator mouth overloaded your jaybird ass..
thesquanderer
(12,010 posts)(though the part that came next wasn't so different)
dixiechiken1
(2,113 posts)Bet at least one old man will think twice before spewing that bullshit again. Fuck him.
JustAnotherGen
(32,122 posts)But what can they expect us to do?
There's only so much of these blatantly racist words and actions we can take.
They started in 2007 with Obama's rise in America, they got their racist shit ass President Trump, they unleashed - and after 15 years of them acting like it's 1919 and they can just run around lynching us . . .
We are done.
I know it's probably going to upset some non black and/or non minority DU'ers - but it's the truth. I'm done.
I'm done with these racist shit asses - a lot of us are.
electric_blue68
(15,061 posts)President Obama.😔
I'm a spiritual person so I included them in my prayers for their safety.
hippywife
(22,767 posts)No one gets away with that shit even once in my presence. I don't get physical, but I get fucking mouthy and in their faces. 🤬🤬🤬
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)That racist slime is very lucky the hero controlled himself and only smacked him. Although I think the first shot was a punch.
The hero was very much in control of himself. It is clear from the coordinated and prolonged attack that the racist could have hurt badly.
That is one calm controlled man. Watch him flip his hat after he pushes the racist to the ground. He has adrenaline squirting yet he is still able to flip his hat. I would love to hear his life story. Beer is on me sir let's talk.
I just wish the hero would have gotten in the racist face and let him push him first. Although in an ironic twist I doubt a jury would convict the hero. I also doubt pasty face will press charges. That dumb ass is still trying to convince people there is nothing wrong with what he said. He is stupid!
dalton99a
(81,758 posts)maxrandb
(15,439 posts)Aren't we there in America?
If you take away non-violent means for change, what are you left with?
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,924 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)I wouldn't advise anyone to wait hopefully for someone to try to slap the white off me, Maraya.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)kcr
(15,333 posts)tblue37
(65,592 posts)Iggo
(47,626 posts)Sympthsical
(9,215 posts)Also, "slap the white off"? You know there was a problem in the Bay Area last year with the "Slap an Asian" challenge. Maybe rethink that racist nomenclature.
So, protest is bad, speech iffy, and violence good if it's someone disliked.
Trying to figure out where there's room for a liberal in all this. This is not what I signed up for.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)Imagine saying slap the {insert race} off about any other race than white.
Jedi Guy
(3,290 posts)As long as the person on the receiving end of the violence is someone we don't like, it's good violence, apparently. After January 6th, whenever a thread popped up regarding another planned protest by the right, there were posts calling for violence against them. For all the times people here shit on the police as violent thugs, they cheer the idea of the police being violent towards people on the right. The violence was never the real issue, it was the target of the violence that was objectionable.
Disappointing as all hell, but not surprising. What's even worse is watching the same people cheering on the violence then lay claim to the moral high ground. That high ground was ceded quite a while ago as far as I'm concerned.
Sympthsical
(9,215 posts)Because America ceded so many civil liberties and good decision making in response to 9/11?
The more I watch, the more that comes to mind. "Trump won." The man could die in prison, but he took a lot of people I've always thought of as on my side down with him. With polarization comes an increasing lust for authoritarianism as long as it is properly directed.
I noticed a bit ago Canada's version of the ACLU (the CCLA) is going to absolute town on Trudeau's use of emergency powers to smother protest.
Weird there are absolute crickets about that.
Jedi Guy
(3,290 posts)Hate is a choice. By hating Trump and his followers, one becomes a little more like them. It's possible to vehemently oppose Trump and all he stands for without giving in to hatred. You're absolutely right in that he dragged a ton of people down to his level. If he vanished from the scene tomorrow, the damage is still done because people allowed him to make them like him.
You're right about the drive for authoritarianism, too, though of course some will insist that there can be no such thing on the left, and the very idea is just silly. Then in the next breath they'll advocate for laws against hate speech.
As for the protests in Canada, goes back to the earlier point. The oppression is okay as long as its target is someone we don't like.
FreepFryer
(7,077 posts)LuckyCharms
(17,489 posts)I think there is a good chance that the man who physically expressed his displeasure will fare pretty well in court.
1) A case could probably be made that the term that was used would be considered "fighting words".
2) The gentleman doing the hitting obviously showed restraint, held back some of his justified anger, and used an open hand.
Older people tend to gain wisdom as they age, but apparently this guy didn't. How can someone be so goddamn stupid that they hurl an incredibly offensive and rage inducing word to someone, and not expect repercussions?
I do not condone this type of violence, but I certainly can understand it. When I was younger, I beat the shit out of someone after he got in my face for about a minute while screaming "WOP, WOP, WOP, DAGO, DAGO, DAGO" directly into my ear.
For anyone who can't understand why physical pushback against this type of stuff happens, all I can say is...see if you can control your hands when someone assaults and insults your very being so brutally. I don't think anyone should be expected to maintain total control in a situation like that. Everyone has a line that cannot be crossed.
dixiechiken1
(2,113 posts)☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️ THIS ☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️
Akoto
(4,267 posts)I both can understand but can't condone responding to them with violence. It only serves to make the aggressor appear justified in the eyes of people who think as he does.
That being said...
1. The restraint on the part of the insulted man is obvious and recorded. Yes, he struck the racist repeatedly, but he did so with an open hand. He also stopped himself once the man had lost his footing, resuming only when said racist got back up and then invited further conflict by repeating his racist remarks. He was egging it on.
2. I think the whole 'egging it on' thing is going to play in the verbally assaulted man's favor in any court case.
3. As has been pointed out above, I further believe this has a strong "fighting words" basis in any case. Repeated use of, what's more.
I've been angry when this kind of thing has happened to me. Infuriated, even. Yes, there are racists against every ethnicity, even a young half Japanese dude. Again, though, I can't condone violence because it strengthens the racist's "movement" (for lack of better term) even if clear restraint was shown. Had the insulted party here been using closed fists rather than open hands, that guy would've been headed for an ambulance before the video was finished. I've felt like doing this, but aside from being crippled by disability, hitting someone with my cane is only going to get me in court and empower the racist's agenda.
Jedi Guy
(3,290 posts)Mere offensiveness doesn't constitute fighting words. Examples of protected speech in past cases have included things like "bury the n*****s" so it's doubtful that the simple utterance of the slur itself would be considered fighting words.
Odds are you're right that the attacker in this case probably isn't going to get the book thrown at him, as any jury is likely going to be fairly sympathetic to him. Doesn't change the fact that responding to speech with violence is not appropriate. The First Amendment is a cornerstone of our society and has long been held to protect even vile, hateful speech.
JI7
(89,308 posts)Then it can be abusive and threatening.
Jedi Guy
(3,290 posts)And insofar as the law is concerned, there's no such thing as "verbal assault." I can get in your face and call you whatever names I like, and that's not illegal in and of itself. It would become illegal if threats are uttered, but simple invective or name-calling isn't illegal.
JI7
(89,308 posts)there are things like harassment . There doesn't need to be a specific law that mentions "verbal assault" .
Jedi Guy
(3,290 posts)If I'm standing in front of you, yelling at you and calling you every vile name in the book but making no move to touch you, that's free speech. That isn't a threat. If I say, "I'm going to kick your ass right here and now," I've crossed the line because any reasonable person will recognize that as a threat.
The key bit is "reasonable person." You'd need to reasonably fear for your safety to be able to respond with force. Simply being called names, no matter how vile, doesn't cross that line.
JI7
(89,308 posts)Jedi Guy
(3,290 posts)Also, you do realize that what you're arguing would apply to the other side, right? So if you get up in some MAGAt's face at a protest and he "feels threatened" because you called him names, he's within his rights to put hands on you? Is that really a precedent you want to set? Because I sure don't.
JI7
(89,308 posts)Jedi Guy
(3,290 posts)That this specific case took place at an Applebee's doesn't matter in the slightest. Don't deflect, address the argument being made.
JI7
(89,308 posts)many times to do a protest. And People have been arrested for it.
NutmegYankee
(16,210 posts)There is precedent.
JI7
(89,308 posts)I'm pretty sure freedom of speech doesn't mean one can get in people's faces spewing hatred at a restaurant or maybe anywhere.
Jedi Guy
(3,290 posts)There's precedent in different directions in different jurisdictions. Simply calling someone the n-word, as vile as that is, probably isn't going to fall under the umbrella of fighting words. There generally has to be more to it than that.
Demovictory9
(32,521 posts)ForgedCrank
(1,797 posts)that getting a beat down is not going to change the way that guy thinks, he's still a racist. Hell, maybe even more so now.
Violence isn't how you deal with these people.
Unfortunately, the guy will likely end up with charges if the white guy presses on it.
JI7
(89,308 posts)and he wasn't smacking him around to change his mind.
ForgedCrank
(1,797 posts)What did I say that sounded anything even close to resembling that?
I never said either of those things or anything even close.
JI7
(89,308 posts)ForgedCrank
(1,797 posts)The guy is a racist. Agreed?
Now think of all the stereotypes that blacks have had to endure over the decades.
In the mind of a racist (the white racist guy in this video), one of those stereotypes was just validated.
That in no manner, no matter how hard you try, equates to me saying it's the black guys fault that this man is a racist.
Seriously.
JI7
(89,308 posts)has nothing to do with the racists misunderstanding or being misguided. It has to do with their hatred .
The problem with the racist is themselves and their insecurities and whatever other issues they have of themselves.
ForgedCrank
(1,797 posts)everything that is wrong with a racist, we're gonna be here for a while. These aren't zeros or ones, there is no reason for racism. There's as many reasons for it as there are racists.
FreepFryer
(7,077 posts)Gross.
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